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Sony copies Nintendo, then claims Nintendo copied PS3

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First of all, I am not a fan of these new style controllers. I am set in my ways. Nintendo decided to do something different awhile back in an attempt to revolutionize the way we interface with the games. Now after seeing Sony touting that ridiculous boomerang controller forever, Sony is claiming that Nintendo copied Sony's plans of a next generation controller. Sony is so full of themselves. Anyway, here is the article:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/09/an...ke-vs-wiimote/
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I thought these forums expressly forbid bashing of another console?


Anything posted from joystiq.com is pro-Nintendo garbage geared to the 10 year olds that don't know any better.
Anyone remember the patent Sony files for the "Gloves" controller? That would have been interesting. Forget moving your remote, every finger was to be used for interaction.
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I thought these forums expressly forbid bashing of another console?
Actually, I am un-biased when it comes to Nintendo vs. Sony. You are the one who is a full fledged Sony fanboy... I've just read some of your other posts.


And I'm down for the Michael Jackson glove controller.... now that is something innovative :)
Allegedly both Nintendo and Sony copied MS and Logitech:
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.ht...ic_id=24600407
I have one of those Freestyle controllers sitting right next to me. I needed a new gamepad and it was bundled with Motocross Madness for cheap. It was a fun distraction but mostly I just turned it off and used it as a regular gamepad. I'm reasonably certain I bought it in 1998 not 1999 as well.
Yep, the M$ Freestyle was the first.


Sony based their touchpad DS screens off Touchpad PDAs...they based their 3D controllers off 3D Gyroscopic mice, tho clearly taking it to the next level:


Here's how I see this breaking down:

Nintendos Controller is the truly innovative one of the bunch. At the same time, it also looks to be the most awkward. Look at the GameCube controller, look at the N64 controller....this isn't exactly a surprise. Its going to have an awful lot of neet features, but because of its uniqueness, there will be times when you'll long for a good old "joypad" with dual sticks on it. How long before someone sues Nintendo when two people are playing and one of them catches a Wiimote in the eyesocket? :D


Sonys controller is a surprise, but not when you remember...oh yeah..they lost that lawsuit and can't use a "rumble" feature anymore. I'm personally going to miss the rumble feature in a big way. We've come to expect it to be there...it'll be weird when its not.

However the 6 degrees of freedom can make a big impact. If its precise enough, and if its done properly, I can easily see using the joypad for aiming and looking in a FPS...using the analog stick for movement. There's much more precision in your wrists than in your thumb.

The problem will be refresh...like a mouse..how quick will it react......for driving games and flying games I can see it being a REAL boon.


Microsoft.....good old classic controller. NOthing surprising or innovative here, but a good solid joypad is still something to be proud of.


I was actually hoping for more buttons on upcoming controllers.... :)
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Sony is claiming that Nintendo copied Sony's plans of a next generation controller. Sony is so full of themselves. Anyway, here is the article:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/09/an...ke-vs-wiimote/
Esosresik, just curious but when exactly did Sony claim that Nintendo copied the PS3 controller? Even in that blog article you linked to their is nothing their that indicates they said anything like that. As such your thread title is more than a tad misleading.
Le Stick still wins... When did that come out for the Atari computers... Hmm... 1983???
I remember Le Stick. And I knew a kid who had the "wireless" Atari 2600 controllers.


Imagine an Atari 2600 joystick...with a car-battery attached to the bottom =P

http://www.vidgame.net/ATARI/peripherals.htm
There is a huge difference between accellerometers/gyroscopes and positional/orientational tracking. Nintendo's Wii controller uses both. All the other systems mentioned only use the former. Nintendo has basically implemented a very inexpensive VR tracking system. If you have never experienced the difference between the two, you no doubt will soon enough and the you'll understand why the Wii system is actually usable and the others are very limited.
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Esosresik, just curious but when exactly did Sony claim that Nintendo copied the PS3 controller? Even in that blog article you linked to their is nothing their that indicates they said anything like that. As such your thread title is more than a tad misleading.
By claiming the "Dual-Shake" is innovative and original is enough for me. Ken Kutaragi obviously has lost his mind. Didn't Ken also claim the "rumble" was innovative and original until they got SUED? And the PSP.... there's a blatent rip-off of Nintendo.
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By claiming the "Dual-Shake" is innovative and original is enough for me.
Guru, obviously you don't like what Sony did but would you consider the Wii controller to be original? If so you basically have to say the same for the PS3 controller as well. Also their is no excuse for the thread title which is just a blatant attack on Sony.


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And the PSP.... there's a blatent rip-off of Nintendo.
Guru, come now you have to be kidding about this since the PSP is very different than the current Nintendo handhelds.
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Guru, obviously you don't like what Sony did but would you consider the Wii controller to be original? If so you basically have to say the same for the PS3 controller as well. Also their is no excuse for the thread title which is just a blatant attack on Sony.
No, the Wii isn't original. the concept has been around for decades, and attempts at making the concept work have comeand failed. I personally have not seen Nintendo claim it was their original idea as I have seen Sony do.


And attack on Sony or not. Sony by lying to the consumers about so many things having to do with the PS3 has brought the criticism on themselves and deservingly so in my opinion. But this isn't the Sony forum, this is the Nintendo forum.
"I remember Le Stick. And I knew a kid who had the "wireless" Atari 2600 controllers.


Imagine an Atari 2600 joystick...with a car-battery attached to the bottom =P"


Hey, I still have the wireless Atari 2600 controllers :)
Dude, get rid of them....those things cause more cancer than a Cell Phone tower in your back yard!!!! :D
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First of all, I am not a fan of these new style controllers. I am set in my ways. Nintendo decided to do something different awhile back in an attempt to revolutionize the way we interface with the games. Now after seeing Sony touting that ridiculous boomerang controller forever, Sony is claiming that Nintendo copied Sony's plans of a next generation controller. Sony is so full of themselves. Anyway, here is the article:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/09/an...ke-vs-wiimote/
It's not like motion sensing capabilities are a new invention. The idea has been around and in use for a long time. It's not like Nintendo invented and patented it.
I think the issue isn't whether the technology has been around or not, but whether you decided to use a similar technology to a competitor shortly after they decided to.


The whole copying thing generally applies only to a genre and then only to that or recent generations of it.


Tilt sensors have been around for long before any video game system. We didn't say the first controller to have tilt sensing copied something else that had tilt sensing, it is a whole different technology. Just like if someone came out with a car that had a tilt sensing steering wheel I wouldn't say they copied Nintendo or Sony.


But if a car comes out with a camera that tracks your head, and then another car manufacturer suddenly jumps to add a shoddy camera to their new model of car then... well yeah I would say it was a copy cat move.


Did any company recently invent motion sensing? No.


But Nintendo was clearly the first to make a solid commitment to it in the home console market (since the history of home consoles I do not recall any system featuring tilt sensors) and it's not even so much that Sony is implimenting it in the same generation but rather that it was clearly a last minute jump to include it. Many details have been pointed out that make a solid circumstancial case against Sony planning to use motion sensing technology in the PS3 until very recently.


If PS3 had gone to full analogue triggers like on the Xbox wouldn't we say they are copying Xbox, when indeed Dreamcast did it first in the home console market and who knows who did it first in the compute market? If the 360 suddenly came out with boomerang shaped controllers wouldn't we say they copied Sonys idea despite the boomerang has been around since before Batman?


The term copying here is being used with implied restrictions: This tech, this or recent generations. The farther you go outside of this tech or this generation the less weight the "copy" term carries.
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