[the_Skywise]

I'm trying out Sony Vegas pro with DVD Architect 5.0b.


I've got the video imported and have made several blu-ray discs now. Video looks great but on my Playstation 3 I can't do a next/prev to the next/previous chapter. The PS3 reports back that the "operation is not available here".


I was originally inserting the media as loose tracks and hand connecting them with an "end action". (which didn't work). After some googling I came across making a "music/video compilation" and inserting the tracks into that which works much better. Next/Prev chapter works fine in the preview window. But when I do a burn and test it on the PS3, nada.


Any suggestions here? I'm still running the 30 day trial here and I like the video I'm getting out but if I can't author a simple family trip I'm not going to plunk down the money.


(Also is there any way to do a blu-ray "pop up" menu in DVD Architect? I don't think so but I thought I'd toss that out as well...)

 

[IAM4UK]

Look into the possibility that some remote buttons actions are disabled within the mastering software. That's allowed, but I would not expect it to be happening by default.

 

[the_Skywise]



Quote:
Originally Posted by IAM4UK /forum/post/16874197


Look into the possibility that some remote buttons actions are disabled within the mastering software. That's allowed, but I would not expect it to be happening by default.

Thanks. I checked that from the tracks themselves (I have a video compilation track for each day) and they're "on" (in theory

). Is there a master setting somewhere I might not be aware of?


(The next/prev chapter buttons do work as expected in the preview)

 

[IAM4UK]

I don't know of a "master setting" for it, Skywise, but sonycreativesoftware.com has a forum where someone might have greater insight to that question.


I'm presently learning how to use DVD-Architect for blu-ray mastering. It's hit-or-miss so far, as some .avc files from Vegas Pro (specifically using the blu-ray profile) work withing DVD-Architect, and others don't. I'm scratching my head, and look forward to figuring out more how this potentially powerful program works.

 

[bigbarney]

You need to sit down and read the manuals. I author blu ray (both mpeg2 and avc) with vegas and DVDa and have been for quite some time. I've done probably somewhere around 60 or 70 disks now... all flawlessly with intro media, multiple motion menus, subtitles... etc. No issues what so ever.


DVDa itself is quite the powerful author system. It beats the crap out of DVDit Pro HD (Which I have at a cost of $500). I also have Adobe CS4 master collection with dvd encore.... in my opinion DVDa is better.


Read the manuals and stick with it.... you won't be sorry.

 

[the_Skywise]



Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbarney /forum/post/16878391


You need to sit down and read the manuals. I author blu ray (both mpeg2 and avc) with vegas and DVDa and have been for quite some time. I've done probably somewhere around 60 or 70 disks now... all flawlessly with intro media, multiple motion menus, subtitles... etc. No issues what so ever.


DVDa itself is quite the powerful author system. It beats the crap out of DVDit Pro HD (Which I have at a cost of $500). I also have Adobe CS4 master collection with dvd encore.... in my opinion DVDa is better.


Read the manuals and stick with it.... you won't be sorry.

Oh it's definitely a powerful authoring system and there's alot I like about it (once I got over the initial learning curve about how DVDA likes to do things)


My two major concerns with it are this next/prev chapter issue with video compilations and the fact that it doesn't do pop up menus for blu-ray. Everything else I think I could grow into.

 

[the_Skywise]

I burned the exact same project to a DVD and the next/prev buttons work on my DVD player and on the PS3. I'm trying to find another blu-ray player to test to see if it's a PS3 specific issue but the only one I could find won't play BD-RE.

For those of you playing along at home, here's the details:


Video footage shot on a Canon HFS100 from a trip to Vegas (all shot at 30p Cinema mode). I've imported all the tracks into DVD Architect (bypassing Vegas) and set them into a music/video compilations per day, then built menus around them for each individual track. The disc starts playback from the beginning of the trip and then plays continuously to the end, unless the user hits the menu button to navigate to a particular scene and then playback should continue to the end from there.


Interesting notes (From the DVD version, not the Blu-Ray)

Since I have one compilation per day (which seemed logical at the time for easy menu construction breakdown per day) I had to link the end of one compilation to the next days' for proper playback. This works great going forward but going backward does NOT work. I can skip chapters through to day 2 but hitting the previous button or rew will rewind the video on day 2 up to the beginning of day 2 and then start playing from there. Once I'm on day 2 I can't go back to day 1 unless I go through the menu (Once I've played to day 3 there's no going back to day 2, etc)

I can only find settings to change links from the END of a compilation to the beginning of another, not the beginning...so I'll have to set it up so the entire trip as ONE compilation. (I chalk that up to a learning curve but I find that odd if that if I link compilations they're one way and there's no two-way property... unless it's a bug or something...)


Some menu themes don't auto provide a "go back to higher menu" button. On a DVD you usually have a "Menu" button and a "Top Menu" button where "Menu" should take you to the last menu played and Top Menu should always take you to the first.


DVD Architect seems to treat both buttons identically so that I can only either set the track to go back to the most recently viewed menu or the top menu. But if I go back to the most recently viewed menu and do NOT provide a "button" on the menu to go to top menu, pressing menu or top menu will always take me to that ONE menu screen and I can't go anywhere else. It would seem to me that if I press the Remote Button MENU while on a MENU screen that I should go up one menu hierarchy level but I don't recall seeing that option on the Menu screen.

(Again, chalk that up to a learning curve but it just seems...odd...)

 

[the_Skywise]

Tested against a Panasonic BD35 and had the exact same issues.


Selecting next/previous track gave either an "operation not permitted" error or NO error at all. (If I started playback from the beginning I got the error, if I jumped into the video compilation via a menu I got no error.)


The Remote buttons for next/prev are turned ON, the chapter markers are appropriately set and the preview remote functions as I would expect burning the same compilation to a DVD works fine on multiple DVD players.


Very weird. (No one else seems to have this problem though so it must be something I'm doing... or not doing...)

 

[the_Skywise]

Using Vegas Pro 9a, DVD Architect Pro 5.0b and video captured using CanonHFS100 at 1920x1080x30p at 24mbps.


I turned all my clips into one m2v stream using mpg2 and set chapter stops there, then imported into DVDA.


This works as expected but the video loses some quality.


So I went back to the Vegas Pro project and set the clips to output as an AVCHD 1920x1080x60i m2ts stream.


Try#1 -

Vegas errors out with low memory. (I'm running Windows XP SP2 with 3gb memory and about 2.2 gbs free) After some experimentation I observe that Vegas keeps consuming memory and never releases it. After playing around I discover that if I render without audio this doesn't happen... so...


Try#2 -

I render the project as AVCHD with video only. This renders out fine with no errors. I output the audio stream separately and this works fine too. So I fire up DVD Architect and put the video and audio streams in only to discover that the video has NOT rendered properly. There are whole sections of video missing and the chapter markers are all in the wrong places now (aside from the render settings, I used the same project that originally did the MPEG render... nothing else changed).


Realizing that I can probably get by with just joining my MTS files into a megafile and then assign chapters in DVDA I find a program on the net called tsmuxer that will do this. So I join the files together and this works but DVDA locks up trying to read the file.


At this point I CANNOT recommend Sony Vegas 9 for anything. It's buggy and crash prone for any *SIMPLE* HD blu-ray authoring. I'm not trying to do anything fancy. I just want to burn my AVCHD clips onto a disc with a menu that allows me to skip chapters using the prev/next buttons. That said, it seems to be the LESS buggy than Adobe Premiere Pro...

 

[bigbarney]

I am not seeing these issues you speak of at all in Vegas Pro. I have rendered a rather large number of Blu Ray disks both in mpeg2 format as well as avchd through Vegas flawlessly. My disks range anywhere from "quicky's" to fairly complex ones with intro media, motion menus, multiple titles...etc.


However I'm running Vista 64 where more memory is available. There are others with xp (32) that have had issues so I would suggest this to be your problem.

 

[the_Skywise]



Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbarney /forum/post/16930200


I am not seeing these issues you speak of at all in Vegas Pro. I have rendered a rather large number of Blu Ray disks both in mpeg2 format as well as avchd through Vegas flawlessly. My disks range anywhere from "quicky's" to fairly complex ones with intro media, motion menus, multiple titles...etc.


However I'm running Vista 64 where more memory is available. There are others with xp (32) that have had issues so I would suggest this to be your problem.

I can render an AVCHD of all my clips at 1920x1080x60ix24mbbs *without audio* and Vegas' use of memory goes no higher than 1gb. But put the 2ch ac-3 audio back into the stream render and suddenly 2.2gb of memory is "not enough?"


That's not a Vista/XP 64bit/32bit issue. That's a bug.

 

[bigbarney]



Quote:
Originally Posted by the_Skywise /forum/post/16930607


I can render an AVCHD of all my clips at 1920x1080x60ix24mbbs *without audio* and Vegas' use of memory goes no higher than 1gb. But put the 2ch ac-3 audio back into the stream render and suddenly 2.2gb of memory is "not enough?"


That's not a Vista/XP 64bit/32bit issue. That's a bug.

It's only a bug if it can be reproduced.... and sorry guy... i can't reproduce what you're describing. i have no issues at all with rendering out avchd or mpeg2. I would suggest to you that you have a setting wrong... maybe your preview ram set too high.... something is not right with your machine/vegas install.