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Sony HDR-SR12 or JVC HD Everio GZ-HD6

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ononewheel

Discussion Starter · Jun 18, 2008

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Im looking to pick up a hard drive camcorder within the next week. I cant really decide which of these 2 to get. I heard from a few people that I should go with a camcorder that has 3ccd. I honestly dont even know what that means but I was looking at the 2 cameras listed above. From what Im seeing the Sony does not have 3ccd but the JVC does. The camera will be used for outdoor action shots mostly in the daytime. If you had your choice and the camera was to be used in similar outdoor action situations, which one would you go for? I'm also open to suggestions on other video cameras. To be quite frank, all I did was go to a few sites with camcorder reviews and selected the ones with the best ratings in and around the $1000 price range. Im very confused with all the different terms and options so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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ononewheel

Discussion Starter · #2 · Jun 18, 2008

To the top.

jasoraso

· #3 · Jun 18, 2008

Not many users of this board seem to have the JVC; lots of users seem to have the Sony SR11/12. Judge for yourself. Note - the new JVC does seem interesting, I think it has switched to a CMOS instead of 3CCD too ....

Ungermann

· #4 · Jun 18, 2008

ononewheelI heard from a few people that I should go with a camcorder that has 3ccd. I honestly dont even know what that means[/QUOTE said:
Banned on Google? Instead of bumping the thread, which is discouraged on all decent message boards, you should do your homework first.

ononewheel

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jun 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by jasoraso /forum/post/14110537

Not many users of this board seem to have the JVC; lots of users seem to have the Sony SR11/12. Judge for yourself. Note - the new JVC does seem interesting, I think it has switched to a CMOS instead of 3CCD too ....

Ive done some research but never dealt with cameras or camcorders before. From what I see the JVC does have the 3ccd. Ive read that on a couple of different reviews and it also says 3ccd right on the unit. I guess my question is comparing the JVC which has the 3ccd to the Sony which doesnt, would the video quality be the same? Thanks for your help.

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ononewheel

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jun 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by Ungermann /forum/post/14111109

Banned on Google? Instead of bumping the thread, which is discouraged on all decent message boards, you should do your homework first.

Banned from google, no. But from my understanding the point of a forum is to come and ask questions and have discussions, isnt it? Ive done my research/homework but as I mentioned above, I have never used/owned a decent camcorder which is the reason Im asking this question here. Sorry if I offended you in any way

Back to the topic. jasoraso mentioned that most users on this board do not have the JVC so I guess my main question is from peoples experience, does a unit that doesnt have 3ccd such as the Sony take comparable video to that of one that does have 3ccd such as the JVC?

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Ungermann

· #7 · Jun 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by ononewheel /forum/post/14111369

from my understanding the point of a forum is to come and ask questions and have discussions, isnt it? Ive done my research/homework but as I mentioned above

As you mentioned above, you did not know what 3CCD is. Seems that you still don't know what it is. Why would not you go ahead and google "3CCD" first?

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Originally Posted by ononewheel /forum/post/14111369

Back to the topic. jasoraso mentioned that most users on this board do not have the JVC so I guess my main question is from peoples experience, does a unit that doesnt have 3ccd such as the Sony take comparable video to that of one that does have 3ccd such as the JVC?

Google for "rolling shutter". Everything else is pretty much comparable. If I were you I'd rather consider a -- probably used -- Panasonic SD1 instead of the HD6.

ononewheel

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jun 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by Ungermann /forum/post/14111695

As you mentioned above, you did not know what 3CCD is. Seems that you still don't know what it is. Why would not you go ahead and google "3CCD" first?

Google for "rolling shutter". Everything else is pretty much comparable. If I were you I'd rather consider a -- probably used -- Panasonic SD1 instead of the HD6.

I read the link below which explains what ccd & cmos are but actually understanding a lot of this when I have no experience in this field is very difficult. Hence the reason I was asking for others opinions. Im decent on a computer and doing research but a lot of this is a foreign language to me. I stunt motorcycles in parking lots doing technical tricks. If I discussed a lot of the terminology with you, you'd probably be just as confused as I am when it comes to all the stuff I'm reading about which is why I came on here looking for knowledge and advice from people in the field and who use these items everyday. I will google rolling shutter and see what it says and also do research on the panasonic you recommended but out of curiousity, why do you recommend that over the HD6 or the Sony? Again, appreciate the help so far

http://www.dalsa.com/markets/ccd_vs_cmos.asp

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Ken Ross

· #9 · Jun 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by ononewheel /forum/post/14111347

Ive done some research but never dealt with cameras or camcorders before. From what I see the JVC does have the 3ccd. Ive read that on a couple of different reviews and it also says 3ccd right on the unit. I guess my question is comparing the JVC which has the 3ccd to the Sony which doesnt, would the video quality be the same? Thanks for your help.

I haven't shot with the JVC, but I have shot with other 3-CCD units and I still prefer the 1 CMOS performance of the SR11/12. Having 3-CCDs guarantees you nothing at all.

Ungermann

· #10 · Jun 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by ononewheel /forum/post/14111884

out of curiousity, why do you recommend that over the HD6 or the Sony?

I recommend SD1 over the HD6 because it has:

- larger sensors (1/4-inch vs 1/5-inch), the largest 3CCD setup for consumer cameras.

- Better and simpler manual controls (shutter speed, aperture, gain)

- Proven OIS (though they say that the HD5 has much improved OIS)

- Manual focus sucks on both, but I like Panasonic better, feels smoother; the JVC has a killer focus assist though.

- AVCHD is new standard directly playable on Blu-ray players, MPEG-2 has to be packaged for Blu-ray. Not a big deal, but some hassle.

- I like solid state media more than HDDs, shock-resistant and does not care about air pressure

- Price (can find a NIB on eBay for just over $600, used for just over $400)

I like the SR11/12, but it was too expensive for me, also I wanted a pure solid-state camera and progressive-mode shooting. Sony dropped the ball by removing 30p feature from its camcorders, no cigar for Sony from me.

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ononewheel

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jun 19, 2008

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Originally Posted by Ken Ross /forum/post/14112070

I haven't shot with the JVC, but I have shot with other 3-CCD units and I still prefer the 1 CMOS performance of the SR11/12. Having 3-CCDs guarantees you nothing at all.

Cool, thanks for your reply man.

ononewheel

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jun 19, 2008

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Originally Posted by Ungermann /forum/post/14112208

I recommend SD1 over the HD6 because it has:

- larger sensors (1/4-inch vs 1/5-inch), the largest 3CCD setup for consumer cameras.

- Better and simpler manual controls (shutter speed, aperture, gain)

- Proven OIS (though they say that the HD5 has much improved OIS)

- Manual focus sucks on both, but I like Panasonic better, feels smoother; the JVC has a killer focus assist though.

- AVCHD is new standard directly playable on Blu-ray players, MPEG-2 has to be packaged for Blu-ray. Not a big deal, but some hassle.

- I like solid state media more than HDDs, shock-resistant and does not care about air pressure

- Price (can find a NIB on eBay for just over $600, used for just over $400)

I like the SR11/12, but it was too expensive for me, also I wanted a pure solid-state camera and progressive-mode shooting. Sony dropped the ball by removing 30p feature from its camcorders, no cigar for Sony from me.

Cool, appreciate the feedback and advice

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ononewheel

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jun 19, 2008

I have the money for the Sony right now which is why I was looking at purchasing that one. It seems to have got very good reviews and I know it also uses the memory stick as well as the hard drive. Im heading to the store this weekend and i'll check out the Sony and the one that Ungermann referred. Thanks a lot for your help.

Paulo Teixeira

· #14 · Jun 19, 2008

You might want to wait until this is released until you make a final decision unless you need a camcorder right away.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1040853

Ungermann

· #15 · Jun 19, 2008

The SD1 is an old model, they don't sell it in stores anymore. Still, many regard it higher than newer SD5/SD9 models. The new HS100 might be the best AVCHD camcorder to date.

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