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Thanks for this information. I have it set at 50 percent and have always used the Stereoscopic Player to set the depth as much as I like. I also set the depth to the max on PowerDVD (which is much better than the included WINDVD in my opinion). But I set it to 100 and I'll see if I notice any difference.

That setting only effect games BTW, and does nothing for movies. Power DVD does have a slider for 3D depth. Make sure to put it all the way to the right.
 

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I can guarantee you the "pop" isn't as good as it is on the Vaio F 3D. I have taken 3D videos with different 3D cameras. In the videos, I am holding a knife to the lens. When watching it through the Vaio F or even the EVO 3D, I am downright frightened! With the HMZ-T1, the knife looks clearer and doesn't give me as much of a headache. It's coming right at me, but not killing me as it is on the other devices.


That said, the 3D depth on the HMZ-T1, as well as the overall 3D experience, easily outdoes any device I have used.

I don't know why that made me LOL for like 5 minutes. Just seeing you filming a Knife like that and just watching it over and over frightened of being stabbed. Hopefully your not to traumatized
 

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I was just about to suggest a lens pen. My guess is that there's the potential for liquid cleaners to get inside the HMD, which would probably be very bad.

Yeah, I couldn't figure out if the no liquid instruction was to avoid stripping away a special coating (if there is any), or as you mentioned, potential 'leakage' into the device.
 

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I thought DJ88 had a very good explanation of 3D a few pages back, but now I'm confuse as to how one display can appear to have more "pop" than another.


Can anyone help me undo my confusion
 

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Besides Coraline and Beauty and the Beast, which 3D movies would you recommend to watch on the HMD ?


Also, from reading the thread I understand that the PS3 isn't the best device to watch 3D Blu-rays with the HMZ-T1. Unless I'm wrong.


If not, anyone has a blu-ray drive to recommend for a PC ?

I don't have a blu-ray drive for my PC but LiteOn has always been a reliable brand for me.


I thought 3D is only dumbed down (by default) in games and not movie playback, can anyone confirm? Seems like Sony is doing a huge disservice to 3D film fans if they dumb down 3D settings in their playback software.
 

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Sorry for the multiple posts, but for anyone who's heard great things about the TV series "Firefly" but have not had the chance to watch it (like me...which I will be watching on the HMD when it arrives
), Amazon is selling the complete series on blu-ray for $19.
 

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Sorry for the multiple posts, but for anyone who's heard great things about the TV series "Firefly" but have not had the chance to watch it (like me...which I will be watching on the HMD when it arrives
), Amazon is selling the complete series on blu-ray for $19.

And you can eat some ice cream while watching it, Cub Foods has buy one get one free on Eddy's.
 

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With the HMZ-T1, the knife looks clearer and doesn't give me as much of a headache. It's coming right at me, but not killing me as it is on the other devices.

How far away does the knife appear to be ?
 

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I don't know why that made me LOL for like 5 minutes. Just seeing you filming a Knife like that and just watching it over and over frightened of being stabbed. Hopefully your not to traumatized

As was mentioned earlier there is nothing about the display panels themselves that can affect pop. Each eye receives the image as prescribed on the disc. With zero ghosting, this is even more true!


However, there is an element that I think may be overlooked here. Let's imagine you are in a large IMAX theatre. The screen occupys almost your entire vision. Additionally, there is still a large distance between you and the screen. Let's say you are sitting 40 feet away from the screen. That means when an object pops out it can pop-out 1 foot, or 40 foot. There is a huge range that the object can be placed within. Now lets think of a TV at home. It doesn't occupy as much of your peripheral vision and there is only 10 feet distance. This means that an object that would have come out 20 feet on the IMAX screen, now only comes out 5 feet. If you go right up to the TV so that it occupies the same relative amount of your peripheral vision as the IMAX, perhaps that same object now only pops out 2 feet. I have tried these experiments and believe me there is something about the relative distances and your brains ability to still comprehend "true" distance vs "virtual" distances that affects popout considerably. Now as the HMZ-T1 is an "optical illusion" I am wondering if something along these lines is affecting the experience. If so, then I don't believe it to be curable but an intrinsic limitation of such devices.
 

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I think you could be right Jon. There are a bunch of people saying that 3D effect shouldn't be intrinsic to the screens but I have played with these twice and agree that the 3D is flatter than some other solutions I've seen. I'd imagine 'virtual' screen size, the real distance from the screens and the optics would play a large part in this.


The 3D was still good enough for me to want to buy one though, and that is without playing any PC games on it.
 

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I was thinking along the same lines. Basically, people who talk about an amazing amount of pop from their current setup (sans HMZ-T1) are talking about 40-150" setups which they are only sitting 4-6' away from. The HMZ-T1 is meant to be akin to being in the middle of a small movie theatre - effectively much further away. While it may fill a similar amount of your vision, your focusing distance is much further away and thus the pop will be from that further distance.


i.e.

Effective Viewing Distance

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I don't have a blu-ray drive for my PC but LiteOn has always been a reliable brand for me.


I thought 3D is only dumbed down (by default) in games and not movie playback, can anyone confirm? Seems like Sony is doing a huge disservice to 3D film fans if they dumb down 3D settings in their playback software.

Could be because they don't want people with LCDs (which Sony sells) or plasma 3DTVs complaining about crosstalk. This is why the PS3 games are so tame. Because the stronger you set things, the more you reveal the limitations of LCD and plasma when it comes to 3D crosstalk.
 

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Could be because they don't want people with LCDs (which Sony sells) or plasma 3DTVs complaining about crosstalk. This is why the PS3 games are so tame. Because the stronger you set things, the more you reveal the limitations of LCD and plasma when it comes to 3D crosstalk.


Ghosting will appear equally with strong depth or strong popout. You are right that TVs will show more ghosting with increased 3D effect. However I honestly don't think they are intentionally dumbing down. Newer TVs are already getting closer to the point where it becomes a non-issue.


Movie directors have intentionally opted NOT to use much popout as it is seen as a gimmick and detracts from the intention of the film. Instead the use of 3D is to add depth almost at a sub-conscious level where you have to close one eye and re-open it before you realise just how good a difference it makes. More gimmicky films, primarily aimed at kids, such as Spy Kids 4 might use more popout effects. Additionally IMAX films use strong popout and depth to increase immersion. These films are normally limited in run-time as it can cause headaches for some people with continued watching. So the recommendations above to test with titles such as "Under the sea" are absolutely spot-on for a greater perceived 3D effect.
 

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Ghosting will appear equally with strong depth or strong popout. You are right that TVs will show more ghosting with increased 3D effect. However I honestly don't think they are intentionally dumbing down. Newer TVs are already getting closer to the point where it becomes a non-issue.


Movie directors have intentionally opted NOT to use much popout as it is seen as a gimmick and detracts from the intention of the film. Instead the use of 3D is to add depth almost at a sub-conscious level where you have to close one eye and re-open it before you realise just how good a difference it makes. More gimmicky films, primarily aimed at kids, such as Spy Kids 4 might use more popout effects. Additionally IMAX films use strong popout and depth to increase immersion. These films are normally limited in run-time as it can cause headaches for some people with continued watching. So the recommendations above to test with titles such as "Under the sea" are absolutely spot-on for a greater perceived 3D effect.

Good posts, but I think this is revealing of an issue here.


Pop out, or negative parallax, is being used in this thread as a sort of metric of quality. At least one person considered returning the HMZ-T1 due to perceived lack of negative parallax. This is the entirely wrong way to judge!


I have been advocating the quality of the 3D experience based on positive parallax, or depth, as a metric. The 3D is truly expansive in the positive parallax range; citing games such as Wipeout and Resistance for their immersive 3D. As has been stated quite a number of times, source material -- including games -- makes a far greater use of positive parallax, and the HMZ-T1 shines in this regard. Also, studies show that negative parallax is fatigueing; almost every article I read on 3D parallax noted the issue of fatigue, particularly -- as you point out -- in long-run movies.


And you are also right that modern filmmakers primarily use 3D for depth to create immersion. In the past attempts at 3D (the '50s and the '80s), negative parallax -- or "pop" as it's called in this thread -- was the standard technique. And what happened? Both times, 3D failed (and they used similar polarized 3D technology as today, even in the '50s!). People didn't want to pay for pop!


So with all these things going against negative parallax ("pop") -- including the complete failure of 3D as a medium in the '50s and '80s! -- why is pop the only metric we're using for judging 3D? It shouldn't be! The immersive aspects of GT5 or Resistance or Avatar or Monsters vs. Aliens all rely on positive parallax -- or depth. And the HMZ-T1 reproduces this depth better than any 3D I've seen. One poster called it "discrete 3D." and for me that's the perfect description of the HMZ-T1 3D experience!


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Also, from reading the thread I understand that the PS3 isn't the best device to watch 3D Blu-rays with the HMZ-T1. Unless I'm wrong.

Do you have a citation for that? I didn't get this impression at all! Not even a hint.


The only thing mentioned is that the screen size setting seems to affect 3D. But this is similar to the slider in Power DVD.


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Do you have a citation for that? I didn't get this impression at all! Not even a hint.


The only thing mentioned is that the screen size setting seems to affect 3D. But this is similar to the slider in Power DVD.


-Pie

Ideally you want to set the screen size on the PS3 such that it does NOT mangle the 3D in any way. I can't recall the default (100 inches?) but there will be a value that does not "shift" the images right/left to compensate for screensize. This can result in reduced image quality due to scaling, or cropping, depending on the implementation.
 

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Do any UK users know anywhere that has a demo unit? I just spoke to the Tottenham Court Road Sony Centre and they're not expecting a demo unit until the end of the month.
 

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Do any UK users know anywhere that has a demo unit? I just spoke to the Tottenham Court Road Sony Centre and they're not expecting a demo unit until the end of the month.

Try Harrods
 
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