Is there a significant improvement over a 1080i 60 input?
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Sony Qualia fed 1080 24psf from Nvidia 6800 GT HTPC running Theatertek 2.1 Renderless to watch DVD Movies - Beats or Meets HD Quality.
Highly reccomend to Qualia owners.
Ash
Highly reccomend to Qualia owners.
Ash
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Sorry but what is 24psf? Are you running 1920x1080 via DVI at 60Hz?
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I think that he meant 24fps.
| Originally posted by Leica Sorry but what is 24psf? Are you running 1920x1080 via DVI at 60Hz? |
with a lot of help from 2 avs members
thanks vern and mike i have hd vm discs running in 24psf to
the qualia with dvi.
first i run some movies like "timeline"(1280x720)
and i saw a little line judder vertically and some stairs artefact's in fine details.
i think that comes may from the scaling because the computer feeds
the pr. always at 1920x1080psf and source is 1280x720.
just 30 min. ago i feed the fist time the 1920x1080 version from
"coral reef" and i saw the same artefact's!
i use the nvidia 6600 vm player and a 3.2 ghz pc.
so something is wrong i think with the computer out because the desktop
looks fine no artefact at all at 24psf.
may someone have an idea to solve it?
may a adjustment at vm player or at some other place can solve it?
ash you should compare the picture quality to the pionier 686 dvd player.
the model nr. in us is something like 59 or so.
i runn it with the qualia and nothing comes close to the picture quality
with "pal dvds".
with ntsc you see than the motion bug the 3:2 pull down.
so in that case my a htpc is the best.
thanks vern and mike i have hd vm discs running in 24psf to
the qualia with dvi.
first i run some movies like "timeline"(1280x720)
and i saw a little line judder vertically and some stairs artefact's in fine details.
i think that comes may from the scaling because the computer feeds
the pr. always at 1920x1080psf and source is 1280x720.
just 30 min. ago i feed the fist time the 1920x1080 version from
"coral reef" and i saw the same artefact's!
i use the nvidia 6600 vm player and a 3.2 ghz pc.
so something is wrong i think with the computer out because the desktop
looks fine no artefact at all at 24psf.
may someone have an idea to solve it?
may a adjustment at vm player or at some other place can solve it?
ash you should compare the picture quality to the pionier 686 dvd player.
the model nr. in us is something like 59 or so.
i runn it with the qualia and nothing comes close to the picture quality
with "pal dvds".
with ntsc you see than the motion bug the 3:2 pull down.
so in that case my a htpc is the best.
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24 Progressive Segmented Frames. A format which transports progressive content using an interlace format.
| Originally posted by Leica Sorry but what is 24psf? Are you running 1920x1080 via DVI at 60Hz? |
Isn't that just regular 60i with 24fps content in 3:2 pulldown?
No. it is more like 48i with 24fps content with no 3:2 pulldown required. Therefore it totally eliminates the motion judder you get with 60i and 3:2 pulldown.
The difference between 24PsF and 48i is that the transport between the camera and the projector. The two fields are sampled at the same time from the same frame, so a simple weave deinterlace recreates the original frames.
Ash, I have no idea what you are seeing. Never used vm player or vm disks (whatever they are). Sorry,
Vern
The difference between 24PsF and 48i is that the transport between the camera and the projector. The two fields are sampled at the same time from the same frame, so a simple weave deinterlace recreates the original frames.
Ash, I have no idea what you are seeing. Never used vm player or vm disks (whatever they are). Sorry,
Vern
WM,
Unlike other people I bought the Qualia without looking at it (except at CES 2004) or looking at any other 1080p digital projector.
That’s exactly why I can only make claims at what I can see (without making any comparisons).
Is there a significant improvement over a 1080i 60 input? – this is a very hard question to answer – all I know is that I am feeding it reference resolution 1080 24psf. The Qualia is such a great picture. I watched Win Dixie in a Edwards Marquee with Christie projector –Qualia looks way better.
I will not go back to a stand alone DVD player unless it is blue ray –HTPC is so convenient.
Over last six months I built a media server 4 TB (holds 500 movies with room for 300 or more) which is connected to a HTPC via giga LAN.
The Htpc is connected to Qualia by DVI and I started with version 1.54 of TTK –moved to 2.0 and recently to 2.1 renderless all the time using ffdshow
TTK will be coming out with a revision of version 2.1 very soon with enhanced sharpness which may eliminate use of ffdshow – I am told DVD’s will look as good as HD – I think they already do.
Ash
ps: Vern - Its not me who made mention of vm player or discs
Unlike other people I bought the Qualia without looking at it (except at CES 2004) or looking at any other 1080p digital projector.
That’s exactly why I can only make claims at what I can see (without making any comparisons).
Is there a significant improvement over a 1080i 60 input? – this is a very hard question to answer – all I know is that I am feeding it reference resolution 1080 24psf. The Qualia is such a great picture. I watched Win Dixie in a Edwards Marquee with Christie projector –Qualia looks way better.
I will not go back to a stand alone DVD player unless it is blue ray –HTPC is so convenient.
Over last six months I built a media server 4 TB (holds 500 movies with room for 300 or more) which is connected to a HTPC via giga LAN.
The Htpc is connected to Qualia by DVI and I started with version 1.54 of TTK –moved to 2.0 and recently to 2.1 renderless all the time using ffdshow
TTK will be coming out with a revision of version 2.1 very soon with enhanced sharpness which may eliminate use of ffdshow – I am told DVD’s will look as good as HD – I think they already do.
Ash
ps: Vern - Its not me who made mention of vm player or discs
So what refresh rate is your output from the HTPC? 60Hz or 48Hz? Thanks.
I am using Nvidia 71.83 drivers there is a setting for this resolution - I think it is 48 khz.
Ash,
I will be getting 71.83 tomorrow and will be trying it with an sony HS10 so that I can run it at 1366x768 without powerstrip. I will also be able to try it with a Qualia next week. One of my friends has one and he wants me to set up a HTPC with it. I will be running it off of a 6600 card. I have a different question about the Qualia. When you got your projector did a spare bulb come with it. My friend has one and he is saying he did not get the spare bulb and the dealer will not give it to him until his old bulb dies and is turned in. Is this the way it works with the Sony Qualia.
Kirk
I will be getting 71.83 tomorrow and will be trying it with an sony HS10 so that I can run it at 1366x768 without powerstrip. I will also be able to try it with a Qualia next week. One of my friends has one and he wants me to set up a HTPC with it. I will be running it off of a 6600 card. I have a different question about the Qualia. When you got your projector did a spare bulb come with it. My friend has one and he is saying he did not get the spare bulb and the dealer will not give it to him until his old bulb dies and is turned in. Is this the way it works with the Sony Qualia.
Kirk
Theoretically, if your DVD picture quality beats HD, wouldn't that mean your HD playback is seriously flawed?
Kirk, get 71.84 instead. Available on Guru3D. It has some CP fixes for 24PsF.
Leica, the refresh rate for 24PsF is 23.976 FPS. Since there are two fields per frame, the PC outputs 47.952 Hz.
Jamoka, the Qualia can come amazingly close to WMVHD when fed fed by an HTPC using ffdshow resize with good DVD source material. It can look even better then compromised WMVHD (Standing in the Shadows Of Motown, for example).
Vern
Leica, the refresh rate for 24PsF is 23.976 FPS. Since there are two fields per frame, the PC outputs 47.952 Hz.
Jamoka, the Qualia can come amazingly close to WMVHD when fed fed by an HTPC using ffdshow resize with good DVD source material. It can look even better then compromised WMVHD (Standing in the Shadows Of Motown, for example).
Vern
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Your HD must be severly compromised. Do these DVD is as good as HD posts never end? 
| Originally posted by Ash Sharma Sony Qualia fed 1080 24psf from Nvidia 6800 GT HTPC running Theatertek 2.1 Renderless to watch DVD Movies - Beats or Meets HD Quality. Highly reccomend to Qualia owners. Ash |
mhafner says and asks:
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Yes, they'll end when HD-DVD and Blu-ray are releasing movies on High Def optical media. At that point DVD will be as good as HD
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| Your HD must be severly compromised. Do these DVD is as good as HD posts never end? |
Not all HD material is good - I have 40 channels of Voom HD and about 10 Channels of Time Warner Cable with a HD PVR.
I agree that maybe correctly reproduced HD's competitor will be Blue Ray or HD DVD with 1080 24psf - the library will get to my current titles of choice - 500 by 2007 or 2008?? but DVD upscaled in my setup meets or beats a lot of programming of HD I see on the 50 channels I have.
The Sony pojector does not come with a bulb - Sony policy is free bulb after 2000 hours. The 6600 card should be sufficient - Andrew the developer of TTK is using this card with a Sony G 90 to test the program.
71.83 was a typo - I am using 71.84 drivers from Guru.
I agree that maybe correctly reproduced HD's competitor will be Blue Ray or HD DVD with 1080 24psf - the library will get to my current titles of choice - 500 by 2007 or 2008?? but DVD upscaled in my setup meets or beats a lot of programming of HD I see on the 50 channels I have.
The Sony pojector does not come with a bulb - Sony policy is free bulb after 2000 hours. The 6600 card should be sufficient - Andrew the developer of TTK is using this card with a Sony G 90 to test the program.
71.83 was a typo - I am using 71.84 drivers from Guru.
Doesn't the HS51 support 1080 24PsF?
I was thinking directly from a PC.
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Yes. Anyone claiming DVD "meets or exceeds" HD has a dramatic imbalance of source material.
I suspect if Blu-ray or HD-DVD releases have 1080p 12-16 megabit VC-1 or H.264 high-profile transfers the poster's views will change dramatically.
| Originally posted by jamoka Theoretically, if your DVD picture quality beats HD, wouldn't that mean your HD playback is seriously flawed? |
I suspect if Blu-ray or HD-DVD releases have 1080p 12-16 megabit VC-1 or H.264 high-profile transfers the poster's views will change dramatically.
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