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Ok, I was not a big Sony receiver fan originally, either. Their early models tended to have terrible THD statistics. I've had a Yamaha Z1 and a Pioneer 84Tsi receivers so I am familiar with their quality. Well, my theatre is bit complex and I wanted to accomodate a lot of HDMI sources without totally bankrupting myself so I decided to go with a Sony 5400ES receiver. Here is my review:


Pros: Connectivity, GUI menu, excellent video reproduction and upconversion, good sound,


Cons: Zone 2/3 fixed audio, only analog sources output to zone 2/3


Summary: I bought the STR-DA5400ES to replace my Pioneer Elite VSX-84tsi which only has 4 HDMI inputs. I now have 7 devices that use HDMI. The 5400 has 6; I compromised and used the extra HDMI input on my Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 monitor. Here is a summary of the devices I connected:

1. TiVo HD DVR

2. Request Intelligent Media Client (IMC) movie and music from my Request Media server

3. Direct TV DVR

4. Toshiba HDD/DVD recorder (to archive TiVo content)

5. Sony Blu-Ray player

6. Toshiba HD DVD player

7. JVC DVHS VCR (HDMI video to input 3 on monitor, audio to an optical on receiver)

8. Panasonic DVD recorder to composite input (I use it archive old tapes without impacting the rest of the system if you are wondering why I still have it)

9. Sony cassette (yes, I still have a few)

10. Sony MD (same as 9)

11. Sony SACD (to analog 6 channel input)

12. Totem Acoustics Front, Center, Rear speakers and a Totem Subwoofer

13. Zone 2 output goes to a balun which is connected to Ethernet cables for distribution to another room

14. Zone 3 output goes to a secondary amp for my outside speakers


So, as you can see, I have a fairly complex setup. The 5400ES handles it all easily. After making all connections, I used the included microphone to help set my speaker and subwoofer volumes. The receiver detected them with no problem and set optimal listening levels. I only did one minor adjustment to one of the surround speakers to suit my taste, but other than it everything was fine. I then used the GUI menu to rename and reassign all of the above connections to suit me. Again, the receiver handled them with ease. As for video and audio reproduction, I found no real issues. Video quality from HDMI connected devices was excellent and suffered no ill effects although it does take a bit longer than I would like for HDMI sync to occur. As for analog sources, the up conversion appeared to be good with no harsh or false sharpness affects that I have noticed on other receivers. On the sound side, the receiver had no difficulties with clipping even when stressed. And as for the remote, it is large and basically well configured, although I would have liked the HDMI buttons to positioned better. And I was particularly impressed that Sony allocated a discrete button for each HDMI connection (my Pioneer made me toggle thru them - very annoying). But actually, I don't really use the receiver remote anymore since I have MX-3000 master controller.

So, that is about it for pluses. On the minus side, I found issues mostly with Zone 2 and 3 outputs. Here are my complaints: of the 2 HDMI outputs, only 1 is active and audio is still output when you switch them, forcing me to use the zone 2 and 3 outputs, which are also a bit annoying. Zone 2 and 3 audio is fixed, not variable; forcing me to replace my Pioneer M-10X amp which has no volume control with an extra Sony receiver (I had a spare, so not that big of a deal). Also, only analog sources are output, forcing me to use component video for my TiVo, Request, and DTV sources which I want to duplicate in another room. But, all in all, I would still recommend this receiver to folks with a complex setup like mine. In the future, I may upgrade to a B&K but for now this receiver suits me just fine.



Well, there you go, start your bashing...
 

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I love their tv's, but have never had any luck on my end with any of their electronic gear like AVRs, owned a couple. Not bashing, I hope you enjoy your system and your Sony lasts as long and longer than my still functioning, and still in use, 10 year old Denon AVR-4802. An Oppo HDMI switch handles all of the one cable HDMI grunt work with a few old RCAs for audio...


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The top Sony ES lineup is very good (4400ES and up), though a bit overpriced I think. The five year warranty and ability to buy from online dealers at significant discounts is big plus.


I have a DG1000 which is basically the same as the 5200ES just with less features and it has served me extremely well for couple years now. No problems whatsoever...plenty of power, etc. Very nice receiver, but I only paid about $500 for it new on ebay. $1500 for the 5400ES is a little too much, IMO.


I've owned many ES receivers in the past and they have all been excellent for the most part. They used to be a better bargain though than they are today.
 

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Yes, I thought that the list price of 2K was high. I bought it from a online dealer at a significant discount (much to my main suppliers chagrin but I have made him lots of money on other stuff, so I don't feel too guilty!)
 

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A couple of things..


The analog audio out for Zone II & III is pretty common for all brands, as if they were digital...

Then an additional DSP processor and DACs would be required.


The one shortcoming of the 5400 that has surfaced is that the ST video processor (Torino) runs very hot. So be sure to provide at least 3-4 inches of ventilation space around the L/R sides and top...


Just my $.025...
 

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Oh, yes indeed, I realize that most if not all Zone 2/3 outputs are analog - especially for video - but it would have been nice to have coax audio output because the balun's I'm using support coax. My first problem was that I wanted to use the HDMI out for zone 2, it works, but I would have to leave the receiver on to do so and mute the audio, so I opted for the analog zone 2 output (the nice thing is that it does output component video there and the main receiver output doesn't have to be on). Oh, and I am unsure what value the ethernet output serves as a Zone 2 option because it is only video, one would still have to use a balun to convert the audio to ethernet (or have a long run of coax or RCA!) to get a remote location. Just remunating...oh and thanks for the tip on the temp issue, the receiver does have plenty of breathing room!
 

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I'm very happy with My STR-DA5400ES with a Sunfire TGA7400 amp.


My STR-DA5300ES had some issues, Sony replaced it with the STR-DA5400ES without question. I have owned many ES products


STR-DA555ES, STR-DA777ES and TA-E9000ES and two TA-N9000ES Bridged, then replaced the TA-N9000ES with a ATI AT2500 Amp


And about ever Flagship DVD since the Sony DVP-S7000 then a DVP-S7700 and then a DVP-999ES (Modded) and so on and on and on.

Not very impressed with the ES Blu-Ray players though, I have had both the BDP-2000ES and BDP-5000ES. I have the Oppo BD-83 now


Even had a few SACD ES players and still have a SCD-555ES


Have always had good luck with ES line
 

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I've never seen anyone bash the 'ES' line of Sony receivers...ever. Sure they are pretty overpriced...but they can't be criticized for being underfeatured or underperforming.

Well...in searching this forum I found several Denon, Yamaha, and Pioneer snobs put the Sony ES receiver line down. I think that is generally unfair. As I mentioned, I was reluctant to switch to the Sony because of their earlier bad stats but I gave them a chance and I'm glad I did. The Sony is much easier to configure than my Pioneer. And speaking of being overpriced I think Denon is the REAL champion there!
 

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Well...in searching this forum I found several Denon, Yamaha, and Pioneer snobs put the Sony ES receiver line down. I think that is generally unfair. As I mentioned, I was reluctant to switch to the Sony because of their earlier bad stats but I gave them a chance and I'm glad I did. The Sony is much easier to configure than my Pioneer. And speaking of being overpriced I think Denon is the REAL champion there!

People like to put down the big dog of the industry. Sony probably sells more receivers than Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo and Pioneer combined. In some respects the higher end pieces from those brands may be better, but that's mainly because Sony is currently choosing to not make a top of the line product - if they did (and they have in the past), those other companies would be in trouble. The current top ES lineup is really more mid-level ES quality. Once all of these new features and technologies are ironed out, look for Sony to make a top of line 50-60lb behemoth ES receiver that fully competes with the best offerings from the other brands.
 

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10 years ago I would have purchased an ES. Now...Ah. After looking at your system, I think I would have been a little more excited if you were playing DSD instead if analog. Also, think they could have used a better VP for the price. But, glad you are happy.
 

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I'm very happy with My STR-DA5400ES with a Sunfire TGA7400 amp.


My STR-DA5300ES had some issues, Sony replaced it with the STR-DA5400ES without question. I have owned many ES products


STR-DA555ES, STR-DA777ES and TA-E9000ES and two TA-N9000ES Bridged, then replaced the TA-N9000ES with a ATI AT2500 Amp


And about ever Flagship DVD since the Sony DVP-S7000 then a DVP-S7700 and then a DVP-999ES (Modded) and so on and on and on.

Not very impressed with the ES Blu-Ray players though, I have had both the BDP-2000ES and BDP-5000ES. I have the Oppo BD-83 now


Even had a few SACD ES players and still have a SCD-555ES


Have always had good luck with ES line

the sunfire potentially being the operative item--do the es avr's produce reasonable 7 ch output? havent seen a review of late...
 

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Here are a few reviews

http://www.hometheatermag.com/receiv...s_av_receiver/

http://hometheaterreview.com/sony-st...ideo-receiver/


I use the sunfire due to that I run Martin Logan ReQuest that drop down to 1 ohm and I do not know of any AVR that can drive them at the volumes I do with the TGA7400


Martin Logan ReQuest (mains) (Bi-Amping), Martin Logan Cinema i (center), Martin Logan Script i (Rears)

2x Sunfire True Subwoofer EQ Signature (Fron and Rear)

Does anyone find it a bit pathetic that a $2000 flagship receiver puts out only 39 watts per channel with 5 channels driven at 0.1%THD?


Every single Marantz in their regular lineup has an amplifier/power supply section that would at least double that output. Even the old 400X's would about double it, for less than a quarter of the price. Even the new slimline looks like it would almost match the output with five channels driven.
 

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Does anyone find it a bit pathetic that a $2000 flagship receiver puts out only 39 watts per channel with 5 channels driven at 0.1%THD?


Every single Marantz in their regular lineup has an amplifier/power supply section that would at least double that output. Even the old 400X's would about double it, for less than a quarter of the price. Even the new slimline looks like it would almost match the output with five channels driven.

Depends on what speakers you own.


Im will not bother with speakers less then 94dB sensitivity any more so 32Watts is plenty!


I also think they believe most people spending that much money are going to go with separate amps. The power I suspect is for surrounds.


I like the idea of a Pre/pro that has a surround amp actually
 

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10 years ago I would have purchased an ES. Now...Ah. After looking at your system, I think I would have been a little more excited if you were playing DSD instead if analog. Also, think they could have used a better VP for the price. But, glad you are happy.

Not sure what you mean by "DSD instead of analog". Please explain.
 

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Well, there you go, start your bashing...

Sooooo.....What are we supposed to do?


Make you stand in the corner with the Bose people?


If you like what you have all the words you've set down in this forum are unwarranted.


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Here are a few reviews

http://www.hometheatermag.com/receiv...s_av_receiver/

http://hometheaterreview.com/sony-st...ideo-receiver/


I use the sunfire due to that I run Martin Logan ReQuest that drop down to 1 ohm and I do not know of any AVR that can drive them at the volumes I do with the TGA7400


Martin Logan ReQuest (mains) (Bi-Amping), Martin Logan Cinema i (center), Martin Logan Script i (Rears)

2x Sunfire True Subwoofer EQ Signature (Fron and Rear)

sweet setup!

i guess even the es series amps suck
 

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Does anyone find it a bit pathetic that a $2000 flagship receiver puts out only 39 watts per channel with 5 channels driven at 0.1%THD?


Every single Marantz in their regular lineup has an amplifier/power supply section that would at least double that output. Even the old 400X's would about double it, for less than a quarter of the price. Even the new slimline looks like it would almost match the output with five channels driven.

yes. makes me think they are designed poorly.
 

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Not sure what you mean by "DSD instead of analog". Please explain.

Using DSD over HDMI instead of analog outputs for SACD
 
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