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During those opening credits, the background picture fluctuated noticeably in brightness. Was the original like that, or is it an artifact of some kind of signal-processing to enhance the picture?

I grew up with this movie so probably have more than .02 to inject here.


1. In the 60's (and decades before that), title credits were inserted optically. Meaning: you basically stack layers of film on top of each other. So the base layer would be the actual filmed images of people, scenery, etc. And the credits are put on another layer of film with transparent backgrounds. And they overlayed the two but also added in the complexity or fading the credits in and out one after another -- which was basically what you saw at the opening credits of "The Sound of Music".


2. In many of those credits, the transparent film underlying them weren't 100% cleansed. So at the left of the "Directed by Robert Wise", for instance, you see specks of dirt or scratches against the sky -- the added clarity of HD made this easy to spot.


3. When NBC had the rights years ago, they chose to eliminate this fluctuating brightness by providing only a freeze frame for each credit slide, rather than running the actual film. In some instances, NBC even reworked the layout of the wording and re-inserted the credits electronically over freeze-frames of passages minus the optical overlays. With ABC taking over, the original credits were restored -- varying brightness and all.


4. Even at 1.77:1, it was a tough task to get all 7 children into the frame -- although it was easier than 1.33:1.


5. ABC was much more generous in allotting 4 hours to this 165-minute movie. NBC allotted only 3 hours and the cuts became more pronounced each year they aired it.
 

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During those opening credits, the background picture fluctuated noticeably in brightness. Was the original like that, or is it an artifact of some kind of signal-processing to enhance the picture?

The SE DVD we bought years ago does exactly that. An absolutely horrible transfer.


FWIW, we watched the last hour or so, and the PQ was pretty poor. Not sure if SOM has ever had a proper restoration, but if so, I don't think that is what was shown last night.


Brian


EDIT: Thanks to JCL, now I know WHY the credits look like crap!
 

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The SE DVD we bought years ago does exactly that. An absolutely horrible transfer.

So you thought the ABC copy was horrible? The Canadian network CTV also aired SOM last night. What CTV used was a 10 year old+ copy used for 1.33:1 broadcast. Very muddy and had a tad more pink than needed. To put this into perspective, 10 years ago I thought *that* was pretty good.

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FWIW, we watched the last hour or so, and the PQ was pretty poor. Not sure if SOM has ever had a proper restoration, but if so, I don't think that is what was shown last night.

For a lot of big budget cinemascope/Todd-AO productions from that era (or even before), if the original film canisters exist and kept in good storage conditions .... software can bring the prints back to 80-90% of their original virbrancy and clarity for video or TV -- but never 100%. With title sequences, and passages with dissolves, because of the added complexity already described, they are more difficult to restore. When you're watching a 30-year-old movie and a scene-change/dissolve approaches, you can usually see an abrupt drop in clarity and change in color balance. Those passages couldn't be restored as much as the other F/X-less passages. When the dissolve is complete, the clarity and colour balance improve again.

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EDIT: Thanks to JCL, now I know WHY the credits look like crap!

You're welcomed. I'm by no means an expert at this, film technicans can probably explain this better.
 

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Love this movie - bring on the Blu-Ray (although they just missed the 40th anniversary!)
 

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Just the fact this movie is still shown regularly on network television more than 40 years after it was released (even if it's a low-rated holiday weekend) speaks volumes about it's staying power and ability to entertain. Other than "The Ten Commandments" (for Easter) and "It's A Wonderful Life" (Thanksgiving through Christmas) it's one of the oldest Hollywood movies to still get national TV exposure on a yearly basis.
 

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Just the fact this movie is still shown regularly on network television more than 40 years after it was released (even if it's a low-rated holiday weekend) speaks volumes about it's staying power and ability to entertain. Other than "The Ten Commandments" (for Easter) and "It's A Wonderful Life" (Thanksgiving through Christmas) it's one of the oldest Hollywood movies to still get national TV exposure on a yearly basis.

Yeah, it's a shame that the list is now down to a handful. Physically "The Ten Commandments" is probably in worse shape than "The Sound of Music", and ABC has yet to remaster a widescreen or OAR version of broadcast. The HD remake a couple of years ago was a joke. People don't want that, they want the real thing. "It's a Wonderful Life" was simply a good movie for any occasion -- its story arc about the banks had deeper meanings this year.


TV rights to "The Sound of Music" has changed hands twice in the past 5 years, if I'm not mistaken -- from NBC, to Fox (for one year) and then to ABC. I wish someone someday can really remaster it back to it's original glory for blu-ray or broadcast. I'm sure if the people at HDnet can get their hands on it they can do wonders with it -- but I think it would be enormously expensive both for the rights and the work, once again demonstrating the staying power (and value to a broadcaster) of this movie.
 

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The cropping was disappointing, but we enjoyed it nonetheless. My 15-year-old daughter had never seen it, but she sat through the entire 4 hours! My parents took my sister and I to this movie in 1965 at the old Ontario Theatre in Washington, DC.


I also noticed the color timing shifting every few seconds. By that I mean, it would look fairly saturated, then shift to less color, then back, etc. I guess this is another symptom of print degradation that they couldn't have fixed w/ restoration?


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I've seen the restored "Lawrence of Arabia" a couple of times now on TCM (in SD, of course). That's an older movie than "Sound of Music", but still looks great in 2.35::1. I wish Turner crank up their plans for an HD channel. I've heard nothing for two years now.
 

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From Fredfa's "Hot Off The Press" thread:

Nielsen Overnights
Miami Dolphins, Barack Obama give CBS an early victory

From Hal Boedeker's Orlando Sentinel 'TV Guy' Blog - December 29, 2008


The Miami Dolphins' victory over the New York Jets drew a huge audience Sunday night. At 7 p.m., CBS' coverage of the game attracted 18.6 million, according to preliminary numbers released Monday morning.


We'll have final numbers Tuesday morning. But the Dolphins and a special "60 Minutes" on Barack Obama put CBS on top, according to those early numbers. The Eye Network averaged 11.2 million viewers in prime time. NBC averaged 10.9 million in prime time with the San Diego Chargers' victory over the Denver Broncos. The numbers Tuesday morning could show a far bigger audience for that close game. But NBC easily won the 18-to-49 age group, and Fox edged CBS for second in that count.


Here's how other broadcasters fared in total viewers: ABC with 6.3 million for "The Sound of Music," Fox with 6.1 million for football and animated reruns, and The CW with 1.3 million.


CBS News gathered Steve Kroft's fine reporting on Obama for the past years for the special "60 Minutes." The newsmagazine averaged roughly 13.5 million viewers -- the standout among non-sports programming for the night.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...-dolphins.html
 

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The SE DVD we bought years ago does exactly that. An absolutely horrible transfer.

Read the post above as to why.


It's in the original print.


Anyone in or near the Los Angeles area, it plays somewhat regularly, at least once a year, at theatres specializing in such things like the Aero or Egyptian.
 

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I skimmed through the IMDB goofs page before watching the movie. One of them claimed the strings on a guitar in one scene appeared and disappeared. They were clearly visible throughout in this showing. The magic of HD over other transfers?
 

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I skimmed through the IMDB goofs page before watching the movie. One of them claimed the strings on a guitar in one scene appeared and disappeared. They were clearly visible throughout in this showing. The magic of HD over other transfers?

For a movie that I "grew up" with and ranked as one of my favorites, that's a huge list of goofs some of which I'm not aware of .... until now.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059742/goofs
 

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So you thought the ABC copy was horrible? The Canadian network CTV also aired SOM last night. What CTV used was a 10 year old+ copy used for 1.33:1 broadcast. Very muddy and had a tad more pink than needed. To put this into perspective, 10 years ago I thought *that* was pretty good.

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My wife and I watched part of this CTV "HD" movie on an early-90's 36" Toshiba 4:3 crt television. Typically, when we watch Starchoice HD stations on this sd set, we see a decent-looking 16:9 image, with black bars top and bottom. Most times what we see looks superior to typical sd fare.


TSOM, however, was a 4:3 image within that 16:9 area, so, in short, we were watching a 4:3 image with big black bars all around......... and the image was still noticeably poor! For example, color fringing was terrible. (I don't remember the movie being this way in the theatre, so how exactly did this come to be?)


After a short time viewing this supposedly HD broadcast, we turned off the TV.
 
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