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Having read the room moderators notes and not wanting to start a war or anything I am hoping to get some advice on speakers. I have been building a home theater system system bit by bit for over a year now and have a 53-inch Hitachi rear projection HDTV and a Sony Surround Sound Audio System capable of 200 watts per channel. I would like to get rid of my piece meal speakers and get a complete system.


My budget allows about $1000 and at this point I am looking at the

Bose AM 10 Series III. Comments? Other recommendations? My wife really wants low profile. BTW my room is 12x25 with laminate floors and rugs. Thanks!
 

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I'll go ahead and get the Bose thing out of the way. The good majority of members on this forum would probably recommend against a Bose system (I would also). I believe it mainly centers around not producing a full range of sound, probably along with a laundry list of other issues that I'm sure people can point out. Instead, you might want to check some internet only dealers. I have seen a lot of good information and reviews posted about Rockets, Divas, and there are some others out there as well. Check out the Rocket thread on the Speaker area, and read through it. They might be a little over your price range, but only a few hundy. Also, does anyone else have any suggetions that this Virginian can listen to in a store. BTW, there is a website ( www.audioenvy.com ) where you can try to schedule an audition of someone in your area who already has the internet only speakers. Best of luck.
 

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In the almost anything is better category, NHT, Paradigm, PSB, Energy and a few others all have compact systems that cost little more or often LESS and theses systems cost 2-5 times as much to build (for the company) as a Bose system. NHTs are pressing your budget, but are a little nicer than some of the other options, the others I mentioned will easily fit within your budget.
 

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In the almost anything is better category, NHT, Paradigm, PSB, Energy and a few others all have compact systems that cost little more or often LESS and theses systems cost 2-5 times as much to build (for the company) as a Bose system. NHTs are pressing your budget, but are a little nicer than some of the other options, the others I mentioned will easily fit within your budget.
 

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Someone more knowledgeable might happen by, but I'll see what I can do to help for the moment. You might a look at the following:

http://www.geocities.com/p_iturra/Misc_HT_Speakers.html


The "Bose thing" as it relates to frequency response is actually true of many of the mini satellites. I believe most of the inhabitants here would suggest that you look at the subwoofer crossover on your receiver and make sure you get speakers that go at least that low. For really good response the usual suggestion is to get speakers that go one octave below the crossover because crossovers aren't hard walls (a little more homework on your part to understand that point will be helpful) Then get a sub within your budget to take care of the LF on all the channels below the crossover plus the entire LFE channel (the .1 in 5.1/6.1/7.1)


Reading more here, you'll see lots of recommendations for good speakers. If they are ones you can find in a store or at a friends, go to listen to see whether you like "bright" or "warm", "forward" or "laid back". Then you can either get from the store, which has given you service, or perhaps if you don't think they've earned your business, get them online. Or one of the etailer's speakers that you will also find described here.


Since you already have an existing system, be sure to take your time and don't jump too fast. You'll be happier in the long run.


enjoy!
 

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Followup! The minimum sized driver that can produce decent midrange is a 4.5". A 5.25" or 6.5" will blend better with most subs. You do not want a tweeter larger than 1" as the resultant audible ringing will give you headaches. A sealed cabinet is preferable to a ported cabinet when adding a subwoofer. A front firing sub will almost always sound better than one that is enclosed inside a"bandpass" box as in the Bose. Front firing is generally better than downfiring. The sub you choose should be 1.5 - 2 times the diameter of your midrange driver if you get small satellites. No more, no less.
 

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All good advice above.


In addition, I advise you to just start out with the five speakers and hold off buying a sub until your budget allows. While you are waiting for the sub just set all speakers to *large*. The wait will be well worth it once you are able to add a decent sub.
 

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Realized a couple of other things I meant to add:


The higher the sub is crossed, the more it's location can be identified. The Bose goes up to 200 hz - and you need to use the crossover in the bass module (note that it is NOT called a subwoofer). Usually, the receiver crossover is somewhere (or even modifiable) between 80 and 120 hz. The THX value is 80hz.


And note how low the subs go. For HT, that last octave (20-40hz) is a lot of the "fun" you'll see people talking about in the action tracks. If you start reading, you'll see how much people have gotten enthused by more powerful subs that can go below 30 hz with authority (look for max SPL at a specified freq).


Now even as soon as you get into ported/enclosed or front firing/down firing subs, you start getting into debates here. But I think everything I gave you up to that point would be fairly unanimously agreed-upon.


Do note how many of the major mfr lower-cost subs are already tailing off before 30 hz. If *I* was doing a purely HT system, I'd get one of the fairly good $500 speaker sets that went down to my crossover, and get a "kicka$$/kickin'/whatever-your-adjective" (OK, I'm old and don't know how you'd describe it) sub - whether it's DIY or one of the online guys SVS, HSU, Adire, or other brand/model that you know can dig deep and with power.


[edit] Note already the diff recommendations that occurred because he posted as I was writing this one - just the speakers vs. the speakers and the sub. My reason for sub recommendation was that you were talking little speakers already, and you're just not going to get very low with them. Personally, I did as Mr. Connel suggested because I *was* going with floorstanding mains. I just was not impressed by most subs I heard in my original price range - I preferred my main speakers. I waited and got one with extension to 20 hz when my budget allowed. You have to make those decisions yourselves. [/edit]


good luck
 

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You have a fairly large room and small speakers are going to have a hard time filling it up with sound. The advice about speaker size is important. Your satellites need to go down to below 80hz flat. If they're only rated to 80hz, then they probably only do 100hz or so flat. You want them to be flat down to the crossover with the sub. This will be much more important for music than movies. The micro-cube systems like Bose leave you with either a) a hole in the frequency range between the sats and bass box or b) the bass box playing way to high of a frequency (200hz) that you can easily localize and doesn't sound good.


The small Energy satellite systems always get good reviews as bargain systems. Definitive Technology has some satellite systems like the ProCinema 80 for around a grand, and I think a new Pro 60 system as well. Totem Acoustics has garnered good reviews for their systems. There's the tiny Gallo Nucleus and Due systems or Mirage Omnisats, but they may be over budget. And there's another speaker company that makes some budget systems that do pretty well, but I can't think of the name right now.


Basically, if you want really low profile, you'll have to sacrifice a little fidelity. Regardless, there are many better systems than the Bose at better prices. Friends don't let friends buy Bose.


BTW, where'd you get a Sony system cabable of 200wpc? You need a large separate amplifier to get 200wpc generally. You sure it's not 200 watts total divided into 5 channels?
 

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Take a look at the Energy Take 5 or Mirage AVS500 systems. Four matched satellites that are small, well built, and coupled with the Energy ES-8 (or Mirage labeled sub which is identical) you will have a much better sounding system that looks nicer too.


Here's a link: http://www.miragespeakers.com/produc...info/index.htm


The main difference between the Energy and Mirage setup is the Mirage uses a 1" soft dome versus a 3/4" metal dome which I think makes the Mirage slightly warmer and smoother sounding. The cabinet is faux-leather wrapped (ala Sonus faber) versus the Take 5's glossy finish. Both got great reviews (HT magazine among others... the link should get you to them). They list for $800 for evrything (sub, four sats and center) but deals can be found on the web.
 

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Athena was the other speaker company that I was thinking of. Haven't heard them myself, but I hear good reviews as far as budget systems go.
 

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Having read the room moderators notes and not wanting to start a war or anything I am hoping to get some advice on speakers. I have been building a home theater system system bit by bit for over a year now and have a 53-inch Hitachi rear projection HDTV and a Sony Surround Sound Audio System capable of 200 watts per channel. I would like to get rid of my piece meal speakers and get a complete system.


My budget allows about $1000 and at this point I am looking at the

Bose AM 10 Series III. Comments? Other recommendations? My wife really wants low profile. BTW my room is 12x25 with laminate floors and rugs. Thanks!
You might be able to squeeze 5 M&K K-15's and someone elses sub for a few more dollars. I dont think there is a better small speaker to be found

at 199 mrp each. 7-3/8" X 4-7/8" X 6" . I went with Xenon Lcr-25's
 
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