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I need some speaker suggestions and receiver suggestions for this room to complement my 55" LED or LCD I am purchasing in a few days. It's a big room as you will see in the pics: http://picasaweb.google.com/ryanwigg...eat=directlink I want a good entry level system without breaking the bank as my other half doesn't share my enthusiasm! I'd like to stay around $1000 to $1200... any suggestions?
 

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Wow! Gorgeous room! I'm no expert, though, so I'm just giving you a bump to the top. I know what a lot of people will say, though - with that budget you will probably want to look for used equipment, or start off with a 2.1 setup and build up later. There's a lot of room to fill with sound, and going right off the bat with a 5.1 system for $1200 including receiver is not going to satisfy.


Can you post the measurements of the room, btw?
 

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quick question....what are the double recesses on the right corner ???


back to your question -

receiver: Denon 790 or 1910 / Onkyo SR607 / Harman-Kardon AVR 354


speakers: lots of options here, a couple to consider:

your "chief decorator" may have an issue with these Jamo towers http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/...103__0_0_0_-1/

look at the $500 bundle on the lower right of screen Mirage system http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...ge-omni-550-ch

another setup for the "chief decorators approval" http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=4000


subwoofer: http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=407
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1.html


nice room ! good luck since a system for that room will probably run $1.5K to $2K
 

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quick question....what are the double recesses on the right corner ???


back to your question -

receiver: Denon 790 or 1910 / Onkyo SR607 / Harman-Kardon AVR 354


speakers: lots of options here, a couple to consider:

your "chief decorator" may have an issue with these Jamo towers http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/...103__0_0_0_-1/

look at the $500 bundle on the lower right of screen Mirage system http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...ge-omni-550-ch

another setup for the "chief decorators approval" http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=4000


subwoofer: http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=407
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1.html


nice room ! good luck since a system for that room will probably run $1.5K to $2K

The double recesses are the "Media Cabinet." The top one has the wiring that runs to the outside TV so you could put your receiver, etc inside. This is also where the whole house audio wiring centralizes, all the wires terminate here. Only problem is that the builder didn't leave the other ends exposed, and I don't have a wiring schematic of where they run to! So if I decide to do whole house audio I will have to tone and probe them out. Luckily the builder did leave all the wires for the surround sound in this room exposed and the ends terminate on the wall where that box is behind where the tv will be. I plan on putting the directv box, receiver, power cycler, bluray, etc all in a buffet style media console that will be below where the tv will be wall mounted. Later on I plan to do whole house audio and will put that amplifier and auxiliary equipment along with the directv box for the outside tv in the top media recess and will use the bottom one for a nice piece of art or pottery.


I figured that this project would end up being more expensive than what I had planned. I do want it to look nice, and not sure my other half will approve of floor stand speakers... so you guys think in wall aren't as good for this room?


Thanks for your input!
) Keep them coming!
 

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Wow! Gorgeous room! I'm no expert, though, so I'm just giving you a bump to the top. I know what a lot of people will say, though - with that budget you will probably want to look for used equipment, or start off with a 2.1 setup and build up later. There's a lot of room to fill with sound, and going right off the bat with a 5.1 system for $1200 including receiver is not going to satisfy.


Can you post the measurements of the room, btw?

The room is 32' long from tv wall to stove area, 18' wide, and 16' ceilings.
 

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I need some speaker suggestions and receiver suggestions for this room to complement my 55" LED or LCD I am purchasing in a few days. It's a big room as you will see in the pics: http://picasaweb.google.com/ryanwigg...eat=directlink I want a good entry level system without breaking the bank as my other half doesn't share my enthusiasm! I'd like to stay around $1000 to $1200... any suggestions?



Inwall 2.1 or 3.1 would work great. You'd have to go to inceiling for rears on a 5.1 of course.


But I don't think you could get anything you'd find acceptable with the budget you are trying to work with. With that budget you probably have to go with the dreaded Bose, with the speakers mounted on stands. There are worse things than that, but ....
 

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in-wall speaker units will certainly work for the front 3, and depending on where the wiring is for the surrounds, they "may" work there as well. Almost anything you do will be a compromise due to the large volume you have to work with, but it's worth trying.


At the "budget end" for in-walls, these inclosed back units from TSC would be a starting point for your search http://www.thespeakercompany.com/NTI...akers-C39.aspx consider the 6.5" or 8", with 8" the desirable one for your room. Surrounds could be the same units, match all 5 or 7, or use these to help with the budget http://www.thespeakercompany.com/PT-...akers-C38.aspx


There are other in-wall manufacturers making excellent speakers, like Triad, but they get expensive very fast.


While you can get in-wall subwoofers, if the "decorator in charge" will allow one or two stand alone units in the room, make it the subwoofer(s). To really get the low frequency sounds around the huge room, two smaller subs would work better than one large one.
 

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in-wall speaker units will certainly work for the front 3, and depending on where the wiring is for the surrounds, they "may" work there as well. Almost anything you do will be a compromise due to the large volume you have to work with, but it's worth trying.


At the "budget end" for in-walls, these inclosed back units from TSC would be a starting point for your search http://www.thespeakercompany.com/NTI...akers-C39.aspx consider the 6.5" or 8", with 8" the desirable one for your room. Surrounds could be the same units, match all 5 or 7, or use these to help with the budget http://www.thespeakercompany.com/PT-...akers-C38.aspx


There are other in-wall manufacturers making excellent speakers, like Triad, but they get expensive very fast.


While you can get in-wall subwoofers, if the "decorator in charge" will allow one or two stand alone units in the room, make it the subwoofer(s). To really get the low frequency sounds around the huge room, two smaller subs would work better than one large one.

So the verdict is that Tower speakers or enclosed speakers that aren't in the wall are better? I'm getting conflicting info here... some tell me the in wall would be much better and some tell me that I need to do towers or speakers that have their own boxes and just mount them on the wall.
 

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Inwall 2.1 or 3.1 would work great. You'd have to go to inceiling for rears on a 5.1 of course.


But I don't think you could get anything you'd find acceptable with the budget you are trying to work with. With that budget you probably have to go with the dreaded Bose, with the speakers mounted on stands. There are worse things than that, but ....

Why do you think bose would be a good solution? Everyone seems to be dead against them... I actually really like the bose system, it's simple to use and the speakers look great... only thing is that it is only 5.1 and not 7.1...
 

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"odryan"

everyone can tell you anything - but it's your room, in your house, and as such it is unique. Everyone's opinion is just that - an opinion.....just like mine.


In a perfect world, you could bring speakers into your house and try them out, compare them against each other, and base a "reasoned decision" on the actual results in the room with your equipment. But we both know it's not a perfect world.


In a typical home theater setup, separate stand alone speaker enclosures are usually the best "bang for the buck", but they may....or may not.....be better than some top end in-wall units like those from Triad and other quality manufacturers. But you can't just chop holes in the wall test in-wall speakers out.


So, I don't believe anyone is telling you in-wall or separate stand alone enclosures are "better" - we are making suggestions knowing you have a difficult room, a limited budget, and a spouse who has "approval rights" - also fondly known as WAF (wife acceptance factor) to figure into the mix.


When esthetics and WAF are the primary factors, then in-walls are usually the speakers of choice. Not because they are better, but because peace and harmony reign in the house



So, before you pull your hair out on this decision, try this:

Get some sheet cardboard, make up some dummy tower speakers based on the dimensions of some of the units suggested. Same for a subwoofer - use a cardboard box of approx. the same size, same with some surrounds. Spray paint them black...make up a cardboard mock-up of the HDTV also. Now, try putting your "test dummies" in the room and have a heart to heart with the wife - let her express her opinions, and if negative then you know it's in-walls regardless of make or model. Before you lay out some real money on this stuff, you need to have the WAF all settled in advance - trust me, life is too short not to !


good luck
 

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Why do you think bose would be a good solution? Everyone seems to be dead against them... I actually really like the bose system, it's simple to use and the speakers look great... only thing is that it is only 5.1 and not 7.1...




My suggestion was based on budget. You want 7.1 for max $1200?


The cost of wiring an inwall system in 7.1 would likely eat up your budget before you bought a single speaker.


Which leaves standard speakers.


7.1 is 8 pieces of gear. $171 per speaker. That won't get you much quality. You have to stick with some mass market solution. Bose is just what came to mind.


Personally, I'd rather go with a better 2.1 system and add on later as the budget permits, than stretch a too-thin budget and try for 7.1 using lower quality gear. But that's just me.
 

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OK Here's the system I designed today at the store:


Samsung LED 55B7000 Flatscreen

Samsung BDP3600 - Free with TV

Denon 1910 7.1 Receiver

Klipsch RF10 x2 RC10 X1 R1650C X4

Mirage Omni 58BL

Monster HDP1800 Power Center

Monster HDMI 1000 X2

Monster Speaker Wire and Subwoofer Cable

Harmony 890 Remote To control it all


What do you Think????
 

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Save some money and drop the power center, and get the HDMI cable, speaker wire and sub cable from monoprice.com for a tenth of the price. Put the extra cash on bigger speakers, in particular upgrade the RC-10. What is a Mirage Omni 58BL? Is that a sub? Go with SVS, Hsu, eD or Epik instead.
 

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OK Here's the system I designed today at the store:


Samsung LED 55B7000 Flatscreen

Samsung BDP3600 - Free with TV

Denon 1910 7.1 Receiver

Klipsch RF10 x2 RC10 X1 R1650C X4

Mirage Omni 58BL

Monster HDP1800 Power Center

Monster HDMI 1000 X2

Monster Speaker Wire and Subwoofer Cable

Harmony 890 Remote To control it all


What do you Think????


Your inceiling speakers need to be aim-able. It does not appear those are.


Otherwise, some good choices at that price point.
 
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