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Everything Josh said.

It was spaceship porn of a kind never before seen on a screen. The Enterprise was Kirk's paramour, his soulmate, his dream lover, and through Kirk's eyes she was every space geek's fantasy. And she had only grown in lustre and desirability through the years of her absence.

That was a sex scene. The slow rhythm of the camera caressing the sleek curves of her hull, the look of lust and longing in Kirk's eyes, the rising triumphant majesty of Goldsmith's landmark score... Boring? It was stirring, fulfilling, a promise of things to come, of unimaginable potential, of infinite mystery to be explored.

Maybe that promise went mostly unfulfilled in this particular movie, but not for the next 40 years, and the Enterprise Flyby was the mission statement for everything that came after. I have watched that scene many times over the years as a standalone work of Trek art.
Wow rd -- I'm going to need a cold shower after reading that post. :p
 

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Paramount Considering 4k ‘Star Trek: The Motion Picture – Director’s Edition’

https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/19/pa...ar-trek-the-motion-picture-directors-edition/

| JULY 19, 2019 | BY: MATT WRIGHT 187 COMMENTS SO FAR

2019 marks the 40th anniversary of the first Star Trek movie, Star Trek: The Motion Picture. All year long fans of the movie have been wondering if Paramount would do anything to celebrate. At San Diego Comic-Con, we got news fans should appreciate

During the Inlgorious Treksperts podcast Comic-Con panel which was focused on the anniversary, an announcement was made from the audience by David Fein, the producer of the 2001 Director’s Edition of TMP. He revealed that he and members of the team who worked on The Director’s Edition were in talks with Paramount to develop a 4K version for release on standard HD Blu-ray and 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray.

Prior to the JJ Abrams films, The Motion Picture was one of the few truly cinematic Star Trek movies. It is best experienced on the big screen, and in as high a quality as possible. So having a proper 4K restoration (and a new version of The Director’s Edition) would make this already visually stunning movie really come to life for Trekkies new and old.

The Director’s Edition was created in 2001 by working closely with director Robert Wise. In addition to edits for pacing, a number of small fixes and changes were made to the visual effects, and a new sound mix was created. TMP was rather famously rushed to completion in December 1979, because of this Robert Wise considered The Director’s Edition to be his “final cut.”
I'll be first to order, my Trek homies :D
 

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How can you not love this ode to the Enterprise. The grand fly-by.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b52b4yORX6U&frags=pl,wn
Seriously. Like I said before, it's the ADD movie goers who can't appreciate it. Maybe they'd like it more if that scene was like 30 seconds long and the camera was shaking violently all over the place, making it an incomprehensible mess like so many even non-action scenes these days. Looking at you, 24!!!

Sadly, I was born too late to see TMP in theaters (born in '81), BUT at least as a small child, I still watched things in the "proper order," being watching TOS and TAS reruns on TV, then watching TMP on VHS when I was probably 4 or 5 years old. Helped having 2001 as a primer to abate a child's typical restlessness. I remember being MESMERIZED by that scene of Scotty giving Kirk the grand tour. STILL makes me darn near weep. Especially as he shows his appreciation at the end. "Thank you, Mr. Scott." Oh, and that Jerry Goldsmith score to really drive it all home!
 

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Maybe they'd like it more if that scene was like 30 seconds long and the camera was shaking violently all over the place, making it an incomprehensible mess like so many even non-action scenes these days.
That would definitely qualify as Star Trek: The Motion Sickness. :D

Of course those long FX shots were there because of Star Wars, Close Encounters, etc- execs thinking the masses just wanted to see cool space FX.
I suppose that's a big part of the problem. Star Trek was never about spectacle: it was about ideas. Yes, the effects in TOS are very rudimentary by today's standards (and even by the standards of the TNG era), but they were never the point of the show, so it didn't really matter.

To be fair, however, I rewatched the scene on YouTube, and it's not nearly as long or as boring as I had remembered from when I was a kid. :p
 

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That would definitely qualify as Star Trek: The Motion Sickness. :D


I suppose that's a big part of the problem. Star Trek was never about spectacle: it was about ideas. Yes, the effects in TOS are very rudimentary by today's standards (and even by the standards of the TNG era), but they were never the point of the show, so it didn't really matter.

To be fair, however, I rewatched the scene on YouTube, and it's not nearly as long or as boring as I had remembered from when I was a kid. :p
Always thought it was funny they used off the shelf AMT Enterprise models for TOS shots like the damaged Constitution class going into the Doomsday Machine! ;)

No Trek fan would ever touch the TMP Enterprise tour flyby sequence, given the Goldsmith score tailored to it down to the frame :D

I think the biggest pacing issues were covered in the review posted in the TMP 4K bluray thread- tighten up some of the scenes and sequence of events after Kirk boards the refit, and the "boring" issues during the extended Vger flyover sequences- don't think they are any more "boring" than 2001's stargate and followup sequence, but the reviewers were spot on re: the excessive cuts back and forth to the characters facial reactions in silence. Maybe if they'd mixed things up with more interaction with Vger or Vger doing more data gathering as they fly deeper inside, or Spock getting visual impressions of Vger's journey/history...
 

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I really don't think I've seen the first one since I saw it at the theater when it came out. I don't remember not liking it for "pacing issues", I just thought it wasn't that good. Kinda sterile. And I hated the uniforms. I need to revisit it one of these weekends.
 

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Genuinely surprised there hasn't been more discussion about the CBS-Viacom re-merger... by many accounts, a lot of the issues of the newer movies and the All-Access shows have been as a result of the divided ownership of Trek necessitating some things having to be changed for change sake... This re-merger eliminates all that and allows for common ownership again which means there is no logistical reasons they can't do accurate Trek anymore. I'm hoping this is reflected going forward in the Star Trek shows.
 

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Genuinely surprised there hasn't been more discussion about the CBS-Viacom re-merger... by many accounts, a lot of the issues of the newer movies and the All-Access shows have been as a result of the divided ownership of Trek necessitating some things having to be changed for change sake... This re-merger eliminates all that and allows for common ownership again which means there is no logistical reasons they can't do accurate Trek anymore. I'm hoping this is reflected going forward in the Star Trek shows.
I guess we all assumed that without sayin' it ;)
 

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I really don't think I've seen the first one since I saw it at the theater when it came out. I don't remember not liking it for "pacing issues", I just thought it wasn't that good. Kinda sterile. And I hated the uniforms. I need to revisit it one of these weekends.
Agreed re: uniforms- definately early-mid 70's scifi influence (see Space 1999, Logans Run, etc), but the style's kinda grown on me.

May have to finally buy a nice custom tailored TMP uniform from one of those offshore cosplay tailors on ebay :)

More TOS/TNG-like than TWOK era suede jackets.

Funny how TWOK style uniforms, sans the turtleneck, was used through Picard's Stargazer days and the Enterpise C. I think that makes them the longest running Trek-Universe-time Starfleet uniforms to date.

Biggest issue was the color pallete of the TMP uniforms, but design wise fine.

Remember, there was then a 5 year voyage/mission with Kirk and crew in that style, only seen in DC comics of the era.

Kirk wears at least 3 different uniform variants in TMP (admiralty/formal wear when meeting Sonak first time in SF; gray long sleeve "Standard" top, and the short sleeve white top), not counting the landing party suede jackets, which I think most Trek fans took as a nod to Pike era Cage/Menagerie away team gear.

For that matter, the color scheme of the TMP uniforms were basically those of The Cage/Menagerie (Pike's era ~2250's). Rodenberry just liked beige and blue pastel ;)
 

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Seriously. Like I said before, it's the ADD movie goers who can't appreciate it. Maybe they'd like it more if that scene was like 30 seconds long and the camera was shaking violently all over the place, making it an incomprehensible mess like so many even non-action scenes these days. Looking at you, 24!!!
And don't forget the lens flare WITH a dirty lens.


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a lot of the issues of the newer movies and the All-Access shows have been as a result of the divided ownership of Trek necessitating some things having to be changed for change sake...
AFAIK the movies are the way they are simply because JJ likes Star Wars and not Star Trek. What things had to be changed in DIS because of CBS and Viacom being separate, though?
 

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AFAIK the movies are the way they are simply because JJ likes Star Wars and not Star Trek. What things had to be changed in DIS because of CBS and Viacom being separate, though?
Huh?

Like, everything!

Other than the character names, the look & feel was all different from both JJ-Trek and Pike era Trek.

In the ENTIRE history of Trek, the look/canon and tech details have always been respected by and large (Always carelessness/artistic license/retconning here and there, like the Vulcan moon(s) in TMP vs Spock's comment to Uhura in TOS).

Prime examples are the TOS related episodes and characters of DS9, ENT, TNG and VOY.

When the DS9 Defiant crew went back "inside" TOS for Trials and Tribbleations, the producers did not "reimagine" the look/feel of the TOS era.

Meticulous attention was paid to sets, props, models, uniforms, style, etc.

Same goes for Relics of TNG.

Or VOY's Flashback, respecting the TWOK era.

Same goes for resolving issues like TOS vs TMP+ era Klingons, covered in ENT The Augments (and mentioned in DS9).

This is why ST DIS was met with disdain by life long Trek fans.

If they had simply stated DIS was a reboot with no (canon) connection to JJ-Trek or Prime-Trek, well, OK.

But DIS producers always claimed it was canon, Prime Trek. It's not.

If DIS was Prime Trek, it would look/feel exactly like the Cage Pike (with maybe ST -Continues-esque tech detail updates here and there plus current CG space/ship/pew-pew FX of course).

Axanar demonstrates it can be done, very well.

Don't think this would fly with the public? Then WHY choose this time period to begin with for your new streaming series!?

Heck, this new era of streaming TV series WELCOMES daring approaches like doing a retro-look series! ST-C and Axanar have done it/are doing it!

(I have no issue with JJ-Trek- the new look/feel was executed in a "Trek-legal" way- time travel/new timeline/Universe, importing an original character/actor Prime SPock/Nimoy to boot)
(Besides look/feel/tech canon issues, basic scifi writing, direction, acting issues abound in DIS)
 

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Huh?



Like, everything!



Other than the character names, the look & feel was all different from both JJ-Trek and Pike era Trek.



In the ENTIRE history of Trek, the look/canon and tech details have always been respected by and large (Always carelessness/artistic license/retconning here and there, like the Vulcan moon(s) in TMP vs Spock's comment to Uhura in TOS).



Prime examples are the TOS related episodes and characters of DS9, ENT, TNG and VOY.



When the DS9 Defiant crew went back "inside" TOS for Trials and Tribbleations, the producers did not "reimagine" the look/feel of the TOS era.



Meticulous attention was paid to sets, props, models, uniforms, style, etc.



Same goes for Relics of TNG.



Or VOY's Flashback, respecting the TWOK era.



Same goes for resolving issues like TOS vs TMP+ era Klingons, covered in ENT The Augments (and mentioned in DS9).



This is why ST DIS was met with disdain by life long Trek fans.



If they had simply stated DIS was a reboot with no (canon) connection to JJ-Trek or Prime-Trek, well, OK.



But DIS producers always claimed it was canon, Prime Trek. It's not.



If DIS was Prime Trek, it would look/feel exactly like the Cage Pike (with maybe ST -Continues-esque tech detail updates here and there plus current CG space/ship/pew-pew FX of course).



Axanar demonstrates it can be done, very well.



Don't think this would fly with the public? Then WHY choose this time period to begin with for your new streaming series!?



Heck, this new era of streaming TV series WELCOMES daring approaches like doing a retro-look series! ST-C and Axanar have done it/are doing it!



(I have no issue with JJ-Trek- the new look/feel was executed in a "Trek-legal" way- time travel/new timeline/Universe, importing an original character/actor Prime SPock/Nimoy to boot)

(Besides look/feel/tech canon issues, basic scifi writing, direction, acting issues abound in DIS)
That's all fine and dandy, but I think the question was why is any of that specifically due to CBS and Viacom being separate, and how do we know that.

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Yes, DIS's design was due to the differing ownership of Trek film IP (JJ TRek and Prime films) vs TV IP, discussed elsewere on avsforum and across the net.

I would have been interested in DIS re: Pike timeframe if the producers had collaborated with JJ and been able to make DIS a bona fide prequel to the first JJ-Trek film, set between Kirk's birth and the 2009 Trek film events

But JJ wouldn't loan his film IP for free (or other business arrangement), and the producers of DIS had other IP constraints with simply using Cage Pike-TOS-TWOK era IP

Bottom line- pre merger, there were at least 3 entities (JJ, Viacom and CBS) with differing IP ownership & rights to Trek, a clusterfunked Trek IP Venn diagram

With the Unification, it is now possible to reconcile all the incarnations (or orphan/abandon/forget some ;) )

I am not certain if the producers of DIS *could have* legally done a Cage-Pike look show if they wanted (like Axanar) or were restricted by IP issues, or did the re-imagining just because they felt like it/wanted new visual IP to sell to audiences. I've read accounts both ways.
 
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