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Charlies,


What you are discovering is how good the AVS forum is which then makes SGHT seem like a waste a paper. I have been subscribing to SGHT since the first issue and I have decided to let my current subscription run out. Ever since I joined this forum, every article I read has a feeling of "been there - done that - tell me something I don't know"


The publishing schedule also means that their articles are written about 2 months before they appear on the newstands. And in terms of "internet time" that may as well be 1 year.


I really like the whole "home theater architect series" but it seems to have lost focus at times, and is turtle slow.


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[This message has been edited by RicardoD (edited 09-20-2001).]
 

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The thing that really bothered me was the chroma bug thing in the seleco projector article. I am more or less a novice and I know about that. Also is the LT150 better then the sony10 or sharp100 -those are their selected pjs for this year.
 

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No magazine can compete with AVS Forum. Where else are you going to find so many real-world users who are so technically savvy, articulate and willing to share?


I would not have even dreamed of venturing into FPTV without the support of this group. There's two big reasons why AVS Forum is top dog in HT:


1. Our hosts at AVS. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


2. The rest of you HT-natics! http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


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I really hate to break this to you, but mainstream "home theater" is still a bigscreen NTSC TV and little tiny plastic box speakers - probably in stereo. Also, it has only been in the past 12 months that DVD video went mainstream, I was marvelling at how many folks were sucking up VHS movies at Costco the other day.


Most high-end A/V stores are pushing humongous CRT projectors to the rare high-end customer, and their "technical" people are prepared to talk about the improvements you get from using oxygen-free, silver alloy, braided and gold-plated power cords, but many are not PC-literate.


Anyone who would take a projector intended for business presentations, and hook it to a high-end custom desktop PC with a DVD-ROM drive and perhaps an HDTV tuner card, is a dangerous and deranged technical nerd. Why, the very idea is ridiculous, and worst of all, seriously deficient in profit potential in an industry where revenues usually result from semi-technical folks convincing abysmally ignorant consumers that as long as you pay big bucks for a piece of gear, it looks and sounds better than something that costs somewhat less.


As one nerd to another, I appreciate how far we have come with this hobby in a very short time - but by my estimate, 50% or more of our Forum membership still use conventional video components like standalone DVD players to drive RPTVs and front projectors. Some of these folks even understand that they are settling for second-rate video performance, but they believe (and are completely correct) they are better off using standard A/V gear, as Windows and computers are still rightfully regarded with distrust by many.


I have worked in the computer industry for over 25 years, but every time a new software bug rears it's head on my HTPC, even I think impure thoughts like "maybe I'll just pop the disc in the standalone player".


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It is interesting that I am finally considering buying a cheap standalone DVD player for only one use: to feed the AVIA calibration tools through the S-video jack of my capture card in my home theater PC, to help calibrate my DScaler deinterlacer. I would never even dream of playing a movie DVD through the standalone player! The home theater PC output with software decoding is absolutely gorgeous through the VGA jack to my Plus UP-1100 projector on a 95" diagonal screen. And yes, the HiPix HDTV card also gives outstanding results. It is scary to be a home theater nerd, isn't it! The best part of all is that no one else in the family knows how to turn everything on and get a picture, except me! Well, on second thought, maybe that isn't a "best part". If the nerd should happen to die, there will be a yard sale of all of the state of the art equipment because no one else knows how to use it...
 

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The really weird thing about SGHT is that they act like they are the nerds. That everyone else is buying crappy audio/video gear


My question still stands-Is the lt150 "better" then the sharp 100 at 30% of th price. And if it is why dont SGHT review it.
 

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Charlies - you ask "if the LT150 is better than the Sharp at 30% of the price, why don't they review it".


Simple answer - advertising dollars. Go to any issue of SGHT. Look at who is buying the full page ads - Runco, Seleco, Yamaha, Marantz... The magazine is dependant on this advertising revenue.


The magazine has no interest in pointing out to its readers that they could obtain a very enjoyable home theater experience for one-third the cost of the projectors "manufactured" by their advertisers.


You will NEVER see a review of the LT150 in SGHT http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif Reed.

 

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I subscribe to SGHT becuase basically its Home Theater Porn, if you get my drift. But its not the best at anything really. TPV and WSR are the 'serious' mags for me. I even read Home Theater Mag, since I'll read anything about the subject more or less.



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The LT150 might be one of the best data DLPs out there, but lets not get carried away. I would bet that its not even a match for the Plus Piano.


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Jeff,


them's fightin' words http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


and I'm sure someone more qualified than I will rise to the challenge... But to be sure... The LT 150 is a fantastic "bargin" for HT nuts that want a FP at a very reasonable price... It might not be "the Best" but as a price/performance piece, I'm sure you'll be hard pressed to beat it! WRT the Plus Piano I don't believe that it supports 480P ( It is reputed to have an excellent scaler though!)


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I guess due to cost cutting pressures both HT Magazine and SGHT, which share ownership, reviewed the same two projectors. How imaginative!!


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"The LT 150 is a fantastic "bargin" for HT nuts that want a FP at a very reasonable price..."


In the US maybe, here in Europe its just another overpriced powerpoint projector.


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Originally posted by charlies:
My question still stands-Is the lt150 "better" then the sharp 100 at 30% of th price. And if it is why dont SGHT review it.
The LT150 is a terrific value, but it is in no way better than the Sharp.
 

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Originally posted by Jonmx:
The LT150 is a terrific value, but it is in no way better than the Sharp.
I don't know which is the better projector, never having seen either of them. But that statement seems a bit extreme. I still haven't seen any LCD that has better black level or contrast than even a middling DLP projector. For people who place a premium on black level and contrast, I could easily understand that someone might think the LT150 is an as good or better projector.

 

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Charlies will be able to confirm, but my guess is that the reason the "better" in his statement is in quotation marks is because he considers the lower price to be one of the factors of the comparison.


hsitz' post kinda confused me. The SGHT article was on the Sharp Z9000, which is a dlp projector with apparently very good black levels. I am not sure what the Sharp 100 is. I am wondering if others are not also confused about which Sharp projector is being dicscussed here.


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Jeffy,


I have seen the Plus Piano and was not impressed. It has good color and contrast, but is not bright, and does not support HDTV signals.


Even at the same price, the NEC LT150 is a much better piece of equipment.



charles (original topic):



Machines like the NEC LT150 and the Infocus LP530 obtain a lot of their interest from the fact that they represent such good values. Part of the reason they are good values is that they are designed for the presentation marketplace, which is much more price sensitive, but happen to be good crossover machines.


HT machines like Seleco and Sharp 9000z are objectively better than the LT150 and Infocus machines, but cost a lot more. Whether they are worth the difference is for each customer to decide for him/herself; I certainly don't think that they are.


At the present, the HT market is so small compared to the presentation market that pricing for HT machines must be high. Advertising and showroom costs add to this differential.

 

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Originally posted by ggolamco:
hsitz' post kinda confused me. The SGHT article was on the Sharp Z9000, which is a dlp projector with apparently very good black levels. I am not sure what the Sharp 100 is. I am wondering if others are not also confused about which Sharp projector is being dicscussed here.
Hmmm, I haven't seen the SGHT article and I've never heard of the Sharp Z9000.


I was responding to the question that some others were discussing in this thread, "is the LT150 better then the sony10 or sharp100 -those are [SGHT's] selected pjs for this year?"


The Sharp 100 is an XGA LCD that's an excellent projector that's been popular with some forum members. I believe the full model specification is 'SharpVision XV-DW100U'.


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The main point of this thread is not just about the LT150 but about whether SGHT is in fact relatively useless. I would say it is. It makes me wonder why SGHT is so highley regarded.


IMHO AVS Forum should consider starting a magazine utilising the resources of this forum to provide more upto date information. Obviously SGHT is not on the ball (ie not knowing about the chroma bug, not covering LT150 et al,nothing on the RP91 , RP56 DVD players)
 

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Not that I am a SGHT maven but lets face it, you LT 150 people bought the one of the cheapest DLP available and feel good when it outperforms another cheapy (e.g. Sharp.


I'm not criticizing you but am trying to make a larger point.


It's all relative. I think it is important for such magazines to review a preponderance of state of the art equipment so that us HT nuts know what can be acheived and are knowlegeable enough to look for those qualities in lesser products.


Also, reviewers are supposed to be unbiased (or as little biased as possible). When anyone plunks down their hard earned money for a product (such as us here on AVS forum), they are more than likely to review it favorably.


Reviewers don't pay for review items with there own money, they borrow them. Granted there are other factors that may corrupt the reviewer (e.g. favorable review = more ad revenue), but we as readers must weigh this and other related factors as we read their reviews.


Eventually, you get to know a reviewer after reading him for many years and tens or hundreds of reviews. You get to know their biases and what excites them. Then, their reviews become even more useful.


Remember, most of us don't have manufacturers sending us a new peice of equipment each month to throw in our review sytem. Granted there is an element of trust with these reviews but after you read them , you like and trust some (e.g. Mike Fremer) and distrust others (Robert Harley).


Who would trust a review of anyone who has lived with only one projector (that they paid for themselves), unless it is state of the art (G 90, for example).


We here at AVS try to help each other out but most of us are inherently biased by what we own (c'mon admit it). Where else can you buy a relatively esoteric, inexpensive projector and have 50 others (who also own it) tell you you've got the best for the money??????????


We'd all like a state of the art reference system but it is typically way out of financial reach. Many times its that false positive reinforcement (that oozes here) that makes a mediochre piece of equipment seem like a reference product.


Maybe that's a good thing..........


Jeff

 
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