[amheck]

Hi gang,


We just got done redoing our TV setup. Got rid of the big RPTV and got a new Pio 60", new Pio receiver and a new console table. Unfortunately, now the SVS 20-39" PC+ really sticks out and wife is asking me to downsize it. With limited room, I'm not sure exactly what to go with.


Family room 10x17 and opens up to a 12x25 kitchen. Floors are travertine with 8' ceilings. The space to the left of the TV is where I think the sub should go. I have 23" from the wall to the table, but need to somehow leave space for the left speaker. The SVS now is 16" in diameter and sticks out from the wall about 17". which really crowds the speaker.


I did mention something about having a sub at the end of the couch, but that would have to be wireless (HSU ULS15 comes to mind), but that's over budget and she also wants a functional coffee table there, so not sure where that leaves me.


Just wondering if anyone sees anything I'm missing. Budget is $750, give or take. Less would be nice, cause I also want new speakers eventually. If I assume I need to put something in the left front corner, would I be better off with downfiring, side firing, front firing? Primary use is HT with some music and games thrown in for good measure.

I'll link a speadsheet I put together with subs I was thinking about, although most of these are way too big, now that I see what we're working with. If the Epik Sentinel was 2" less deep, I could probably get away with that, but as it seems, I'm in 10" sub territory.


PS Please ignore the pillows under the table. I'm using those to slide it until I get everything straight.


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[bsoko2]

A 10" sub won't do it. 15 to 18 inch will do it or dual 10", either way WAF is causing you pain. Look at Ed subs http://www.edesignaudio.com/index.php?cPath=2_41 and call them. They probably have the most recommendations for your price range. Epik also has some good subs: http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/products.html . If you go for wood finishes instead of plain black, the price goes up on subwoofers. Others will chime in with good advice also.


Bill

 

[gtpsuper24]

Elemental Design would be a good choice in your range but they probably won't pass the WAF, ED's are ugly (IMO). You could look at the SVS sb12 plus it is small and nice looking. It would be one of the better small subs in your range, and then look into Buttkickers for the seating to get that low range rumble, i've never used them but heard great reviews about them. Then you could possible add another sb12 later. Or you'll could go the DIY route for really good bang for the buck and make a sub(s) to pass the WAF. Either way I will gladly take that 20-39pc plus off your hands

 

[Splicer010]

Man you need curtains before you need a sub...

After you get past that the only option I would consider if I were you in that situation would be an IB sub...That would work SOOOO well in that room...

 

[Gelinas]

First of all, that is a beautiful kitchen and family room!


Now, is it an option to lay the curreent cylinder down behind your sofa?

That would get it out of site and may give you more impact being nearfield.

I'm not sure if that would work or not because I can't tell how much room is back there now.


Looking over your list I think you are going to have a hard time hiding any of those big boxes in your room. My other guess would be to get one of the 18" Epik's and put it in place of the end table you have the vase on. But I guess that may be out of the price range. Alternatively, you can pick the one your wife likes the looks of best and use it as an end table.

 

[amheck]

Thanks for all of the responses guys. I can pretty much rule out the IB sub (as I don't believe there's any wall space anyway) or buttkickers (as there's no way wife would let me tear open her brand new couch) so I'm back to traditional subs.


I did looked quite a bit at the SVS SB12+, but at 14" wide, that really only buys me an inch or two. It's probably hard to make out, but the right speaker sits pretty close to the wall and looks nice, where the left speakers sits WAY out and just looks out of place.


For me to get a sub by the couch, I think I'd need wireless. I particularly don't want to run a wire across the doorway like that. Can you add wireless, like HSU did, to any sub? maybe a wireless bridge solution with RCA inputs somehow? Are there any other issues using a sub as an endtable?


Also came across the little Outlaw sub. That might be able to fit behind the left speaker.


Oh, and as far as curtains, we specifically wanted floor to ceiling windows. When we gutted the house, we put those in. Not too sure I even want window treatments, although it would be nice to have a dark room for watching TV and movies.

 

[Gelinas]

What about my suggestion of laying the cylinder down behing your sofa?

I guess this would be a problem because of that door you have?

 

[amheck]



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Originally Posted by Gelinas /forum/post/16840050


What about my suggestion of laying the cylinder down behing your sofa?

I guess this would be a problem because of that door you have?

Opps, sorry, sofa is pushed up against walls/windows.

 

[rnatalli]

I'll throw Rythmik into the mix. Very musical subs with good output.

 

[Splicer010]

An IB sub does not only have to be wall mounted...The ceiling as well as the floor are also alternative and just as effective methods of placement...From what you have said I believe an IB is your only realistic way to get what both you & your wife want done...


I also echo the comment(s) about it seeming to be a beautiful room/kitched...I also can appreciate the desire for the windows (though personally I would never have done that seeing what view the windows afford but thats just me) but I also appreciate ones ability to have some privacy...thus the strong urging for installing curtains...


Back to the IB method of subs is your house on a crawl space or unfinished basement??? Cathedral ceiling attic or a finished upstairs??? Is there a closet in the room??? I really wouldn't dismiss the IB idea very easily without exploring all possible venues...The end result will be a sub that is considerably less expensive than even ID subs with a SQ that will be unmatched by any box sub with the possible exception of the most expensive model available...maybe...And all of this including WAF will be impossible to meet...


I think you should revisit the IB idea and do some research on the subject...I think you'll be surprised and amazed at what can be done...Check out the link below...

http://ibsubwoofers.proboards.com/index.cgi

 

[amheck]

Thanks for the IB link and the compliments on the room. The windows just look into our backyard, so no worries about privacy. We have a big white fence that goes around the whole property, so I've never been really worried that someone is watching us when we sit and watch TV at nite.


The building you see in the background is a detached garage with an apartment on the 2nd floor. That's my office and "man hangout".

To the left of the garage in the pic is a big brick patio, so its actually (I think) a nice view and opens up the room.


Getting back to the IB design, the walls the couch is on is all windows, so that throws that out. The area to the right opens up to the kitchen, so no walls there. The ceiling might be a possibility, I guess, but we insulated with sound barrier in all of the floor joists, and our master bedroom is right above, so not too sure that's the best place. The only space I can think of left is the wall that the TV is on. On the other side of that is our pantry on one half, and the stairs going up to the 2nd floor on the left. There might be some open space under the stairs. Would there be a problem shaking the wall that the TV is on? God forbid the TV even fell off the mount from the IB sub.

The floor is on a concrete pad, so no help there. Although the rest of the house does have a crawl space, but not in the back of the house where this room was added on many years ago.


I'll start doing some IB research though. I don't want to seem like I have no say in this, with regards to the wife. Well, maybe in reality I don't..... haha

As far as she is concerned, no sub would be fine at all. She doesn't understand the need for one at all. I'll have to tread lightly when bringing up the subject about pulling out drywall and that sort of thing.

 

[Splicer010]

Under the staircase is a PERFECT location brother!!! You said the master was above the room so what about a closet and come thru the floor as another possibility???


Thanks for explaning about he building...I thought it was a neighbors...You may still want some window treatments to help keep your sound from bouncing around the room which affects SQ in a bad way...Also I think it would warm up the room a little...The kind of curtains I'm thinking would be thin/sheer and be attached to the window at both the top and bottom and then have a cinch I guess it would be called in the middle...One curtain for each window & the door so 7 panels total with each panel being cinched so you still get the benefit of the view but also can un-cinch when needed...Just a thought...

 

[amheck]

One Q about the IB - can that be installed from the room, i.e. without getting into underneath the stairs? I think you may be able to crawl under the house to get there, although I don't know if I'd fit. And it'd be dark and nasty down there. Not a fun place to work. Can you install everything from the room between 2 studs?


P.S. will pass along the suggestions of some blinds/curtains, etc.

 

[weverb]

I will second Splicer's IB recommendation. My room is similar in that it is open to many other spaces. I use to have two MBM's and an Outlaw LFM1-EX and switched to an IB set-up due to WAF factors and cost. The IB was way cheaper, better sound quality, and way more tactile feel. Placing a manifold under the stairs would be great. I doubt the tv will even move if the manifold is done correctly. I would start with two Fi 18's.

https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript

 

[weverb]



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Originally Posted by amheck /forum/post/16841382


One Q about the IB - can that be installed from the room, i.e. without getting into underneath the stairs? I think you may be able to crawl under the house to get there, although I don't know if I'd fit. And it'd be dark and nasty down there. Not a fun place to work. Can you install everything from the room between 2 studs?

Could be possible. When you are ready to ask some more questions, start a post over at the Cult and Thomas will help you with every detail.

 

[amheck]



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Originally Posted by weverb /forum/post/16841417


I will second Splicer's IB recommendation. My room is similar in that it is open to many other spaces. I use to have two MBM's and an Outlaw LFM1-EX and switched to an IB set-up due to WAF factors and cost. The IB was way cheaper, better sound quality, and way more tactile feel. Placing a manifold under the stairs would be great. I doubt the tv will even move if the manifold is done correctly. I would start with two Fi 18's.

https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript

And here I thought we were done with the house remodel.

 

[weverb]



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And here I thought we were done with the house remodel.

We are actually located close to one another. I am just an hour north of you if you want an IB demo.

 

[amheck]



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Originally Posted by weverb /forum/post/16841449


We are actually located close to one another. I am just an hour north of you if you want an IB demo.

Oh, very cool. Thanks for the offer. I'll definitely keep that in mind. I have a friend up in Land O' Lakes and have been meaning to make it up that way anyway.


If you have any pics available, would love to check them out. Especially what they look like from the room (I'm assuming the drivers are visible?)

 

[weverb]



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Originally Posted by amheck /forum/post/16841470


Oh, very cool. Thanks for the offer. I'll definitely keep that in mind. I have a friend up in Land O' Lakes and have been meaning to make it up that way anyway.


If you have any pics available, would love to check them out. Especially what they look like from the room (I'm assuming the drivers are visible?)

Drivers are not visible. Looks just like an a/c vent. Even when you look up into the manifold it is hard to tell they are two 18" drivers. It looks like two trunk lines feeding the vent.








And from in the attic

 

[weverb]

Here is project that was done under some stairs. Granted it was mounted in a door.

http://ibsubwoofers.proboards.com/in...ad=1188&page=2