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I'm in need of an upgrade/replacement sub for my family room. The room size is roughly 22x24 with 18' ceilings and is open to the rest of the house. My current sub (Klipsch RW-12) has done me very well in the past, but it comes up a little short in this environment. I'm looking at a budget of (hopefully) 800-1200, not including the sale of my RW12 if need be. I have no problem buying used as I'll be able to get a bit more for my money that way. I've experimented with placement, but just couldn't really get the slam I wanted out of the little guy. The sub actually sounds great for home theater, but lacks the punch I like in my music in such an open area.


I'm primarily considering SVS, ML, and Def Tech at the moment but I'm open to anything that will be a worthwhile upgrade. I'm open to single and double sub (maybe triple?) setups given my room size.


My current setup:


Yamaha RX-V1065 Receiver

Acurus 200x3 for front three channels

Panamax M5100 power conditioner

Martin Logan Clarity Fronts

Martin Logan Fresco Center

Klipsch RS-35 surrounds

Klipsch RW-12 sub x 1


Thanks for your help.
 

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Hi all,


I'm in need of an upgrade/replacement sub for my family room. The room size is roughly 22x24 with 18' ceilings and is open to the rest of the house. My current sub (Klipsch RW-12) has done me very well in the past, but it comes up a little short in this environment. I'm looking at a budget of (hopefully) 800-1200, not including the sale of my RW12 if need be. I have no problem buying used as I'll be able to get a bit more for my money that way. I've experimented with placement, but just couldn't really get the slam I wanted out of the little guy. The sub actually sounds great for home theater, but lacks the punch I like in my music in such an open area.


I'm primarily considering SVS, ML, and Def Tech at the moment but I'm open to anything that will be a worthwhile upgrade. I'm open to single and double sub (maybe triple?) setups given my room size.


My current setup:


Yamaha RX-V1065 Receiver

Acurus 200x3 for front three channels

Panamax M5100 power conditioner

Martin Logan Clarity Fronts

Martin Logan Fresco Center

Klipsch RS-35 surrounds

RW-12 sub x 1


Thanks for your help.

Klipsch

With your large open space and budget of (800-1200), I would look very closely at the HSU VTF-15H:

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html


You can also call HSU and even send them a drawing of your floor plan and they will tell you whether the VTF-15H is sufficient.
 

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Chase Home Theater has a clearance where you can get two 18" subs powered by an external 2000 watt amp for I think $1050 + shipping.
 

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All mentioned.. are good subs. You definitely need a good upgrade.
 

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Yikes, that's over 9500 CF!
You're gonna need a bigger boat. I mean subwoofer. (there are some Jaws fans out their I hope...)


Why not pull out all the stops and get a Rythmik F25 ? Bet you don't outgrow that thing.
 

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Your gonna need a couple of really bigs subs if you want to feel the bass. Thats a large room.
 

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Thanks guys. Will check out the hsu and rhythmic for sure. I've read good things about the pb ultra 13 and the def tech trinity. Would those mentioned be comparable?

The ultra is way above your stated budget but it is a great sub. If your budget is firm the 18's from chase will be your best bet to fill that space.
 

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Holy cow! That seems like a great buy for the price. I didn't see dimensions on their site though? Have you heard one before?

The dimensions are under the Performance & Specs link. I've never heard it myself -- it was merely a suggestion based upon the size of your room. It will be tough to pressurize that much space unless you use 2 really big subs, or one monster. The F25 is obviously the latter...
 

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Thanks guys. Will check out the hsu and rhythmic for sure. I've read good things about the pb ultra 13 and the def tech trinity. Would those mentioned be comparable?
The PB-13 Ultra is $2,000 shipped. If you are going to spend that kind of money you might as well get a JTR Captivator. A Captivator will have more output than either a PB-13 Ultra or the Trinity.
 

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^^ +1

That's an enormous space to fill. A JTR Cap at the closest midwall position possible is your best bet if you're doing a single sub.

Dual Rythmik FV15hp's would give more more even distribution of bass but would be more $$.

The SVS Ultra is an excellent sub but you'd also need 2 to give you the output the Cap does. Excellent sound quality like the FV15Hp but better finish options and more $$.

The F25 has a little less output than the FV15hp in the deeper octaves and is more $$ so I think the vented Rythmik(s) are better for your space for home theater.

The sealed Chase subs rely on room gain to be flat to low frequencies. 4 of them and some eq would be about the price of the options above and would perform quite well but the OP doesn't seem like he wants quad subs.

It looks like you'd be better off upping your budget closer to $2k or putting your equipment in a smaller room if you want this upgrade to satisfy you for the long haul. You could get a vented Hsu, Rythmik or SVS now and add another later if $$ is tight and you can place duals in the room. Good luckwith your sub search
 

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Really appreciate all the input. Looks like I will wind up doubling my initial budget, but should be a ridiculous upgrade from my single rw12.



Lots of options to weigh here. It should also be noted that space isn't a huge concern and wouldn't have an issue running duals.


Anyone out there running the fv25 or the jtr cap in a similarly sized room? Would love to listen anywhere reasonably close by, but don't think that will happen.
 

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Anyone out there running the fv25 or the jtr cap in a similarly sized room? Would love to listen anywhere reasonably close by, but don't think that will happen.
Sorry I'm too lazy to search but there's a thread on this forum for people willing to demo their subs/set up by State and City. Start there.
 

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Sorry I'm too lazy to search but there's a thread on this forum for people willing to demo their subs/set up by State and City. Start there.

I did see that already, but no luck in my area for what i need i should probably add my setup to the list Thanks though.
 

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If you're open to spending more than you had initially planned, and are ok with that, then DEFINITELY DEFINITELY spend more money!



I've spent the better part of the last few years dealing with a HUGE room like yours, it's about 10,000 cubic feet, and have just come to the realization over time and alot of sub purchases, that for a room that big, if you really want to feel the bass, you'll need a couple of really good powerful subs. I've had as many as 4 MFW-15's in my room, and that did a good enough job. I would have liked more, but they were adequate enough for me.


I've had quite a few other subs over those years, but those MFW's provided much more output than the other subs I've had. I've had a bunch of different SVS subs in there, and the MFW's clearly gave me what I need.


So I would definitely go with duals of something if I were you. CHT would keep you within your budget as they have a pair of 18" sealed duals for around $1250 shipped that you could get. Ported could work even better for you due to the room being so big. If you can wait a few more weeks, than that could be worth it because CHT will soon be offering new vented subs. They will run around 2 grand or so shipped. 18 inch drivers for those as well.
That's going to be my next purchase. Hopefully they will take me to the next level and surpass (by a large margin I'm hoping
) what my MFW's have given me. They definitely should.
 

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OK so both a Def Tech Trinity and SVS Ultra have popped up locally for 1300-1400 asking prices. Hmm.

Are you prepared to buy one used Ultra now and another when the opportunity arises?
 

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Are you prepared to buy one used Ultra now and another when the opportunity arises?

That's a good thought. It's quite common for ultra's to pop up on agon on a somewhat regular basis.
 
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