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Hello,


I am pretty novice in this area, so please pardon my ignorance and the confusion.


I am looking at 5.1 home theater system, for which following products have been shortlisted so far.


My usage would be watching movies and listening both video as well as stereo(2 channel) audio songs in a room which is around 15 * 12 feet in size. I am planning to plug my settop box and a blu-ray/DVD player with HDMI inputs to AVR.


AVR: http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-AVR-1700-Network-Connected/dp/B009HB2USI

I seem to be pretty much convinced with this AVR. Your suggestions are welcome though. I am limited on budget though
Want to stay under 400$ or so.


For 5.1 speaker system I have big confusion.

One system I am heavily inclined, obviously due to price factor is this:
http://www.harmankardon.com/estore/hk/us/products/HKTS-16/HKTS%2016_HK_US


I think this is pretty nice deal, but would like to hear from experts so as to what I might miss. I feel the reduced price is due to its white color, if there are any other intricacies which I missed, please share.


Another system which is definitely not comparable and goes at least double in price is:
http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-HKTS60-Complete-Home-Theater/dp/B00413OXLO


I understand these are completely different systems and different price-range but wanted to understand if its really worth to go for HKTS60 with that doubled amount.

What are the things that will be extra in HKTS60 compared to HKTS16?

I could see the power difference for speakers and the fact that HKTS60 has '2-1/2-Way, Dual-Driver Satellites' which includes CMMD Lite. Frankly speaking I couldnt understand what does that mean to me.


The 200W subwoofer looks same to me as I am just comparing the power.


So any comments regarding the merits of HKTS60 will be really helpful.


Apart from this, any suggestions regarding these shortlisted items or any other models/brands is definitely welcome.


I probably stayed with Harman Kardon because I do not have much exposure to the technicalities and wanted to stick to single manufacturer but that is not really constraint.


Considering that I also looked at in-a-box solution by HK
http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-BDS-770-5-1-Channel/dp/B00818M5GK/

The AVR here is not quite powerful I believe.


and Bose with Pioneer AVR - available at Costco only as a package. Their store has Acoustimass 6 + Pioneer VSX 822 at 800$, which also seems good deal.

And the online store has this one at 1200$
http://www.costco.com/Bose%C2%AE-Network-ready-5.1-Home-Theater-Package-with-Bluetooth%C2%AE-Connectivity.product.100030179.html


Thanks in advance,

-Sachin
 

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Stay away from bose completely. Now with that out of the way, I have always liked the sound from HK avr's but I think you could find better for $300. I love my Denon so it's usually my first suggestion. This one includes Audyssey which is probably if not a must have. You may also consider this pioneer. Now what is your budget on the speakers? Is it $400 for the avr and speakers or 400 on just avr and .... on speakers?
 

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Apologies, was away for some time so couldnt reply earlier.


The room size is around 15*12 feet.

My usage would be watching movies(for which I can assume the source being HD) and also listening music from Audio CD and mp3 as well.

I will get a blu-ray/DVD player and also have a HD set-top box connected to my TV currently, which I would like to connect to AVR as well.

No gaming stuff.


My total budget for 'speakers plus AVR' would be between 700$ to maximum 1000$ - if it all its worth. I would rather like to stick to 700-800$.


I recently browsed Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers but since I am planning to use them in India, supposedly they do not work with 220V/50Hz..


Another option I browsed was Polk speakers: http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-RM705-Theater-System/dp/B000WGJX5A/ref=zg_bs_3025451_27 and
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-TL1600-Speaker-System/dp/B0043M666S/ref=zg_bs_3025451_64


Confused between what is the difference and what is Time Lens technology and is it worth spending extra 150$ than RM705?


I am seeing lot of options by Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon in AVR. So any guidelines on choosing are welcome.


Thanks again.
 

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I loved Audyssey multiEQ feature after searching for what it is!


(Obviously I can see some posts on this forum as well who say it makes the sound dull etc.. So another confusion :p )


Was just wondering whats real difference between MultiEQ and MultiEQ-XT - which seems to be one of the difference with Denon 1713. So trying to see, if its worth going with 1713.

Or I seem pretty impressed with 1613 itself.


I could see varying opinions about XT.


Thanks for the suggestion



What speakers do you suggest with these? Probably within 400$ range, and to be usable with 220V/50Hz.
 

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I don't know what the prices are for you, but if you can afford to step up to the full sized Polk speaker lines, such as the Polk TSi 100/300, you'll get better sound. The tiny drivers in those satellite size speakers you are considering won't have the dynamics and more full range sound. Even if you had to buy part of it now and wait to build the rest of your set, it would be worthwhile.
 

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I recently browsed Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers but since I am planning to use them in India, supposedly they do not work with 220V/50Hz..

The satellite speakers don't know the difference between 220V and 110/120V since they are not plugged into the wall. Perhaps you mean the powered sub does not have a switchable voltage?


You're going to have to make sure your receiver works on 220V too. I just checked my Denon and HK receivers and none of them have a voltage switch. You may need a converter if you plan to buy in the USA and take it to India.

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Bright-VC500W-Voltage-Transformer/dp/B000MX1QXA/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367778838&sr=1-5&keywords=120v+to+220v+converter
 

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Originally Posted by cel4145  /t/1470868/suggestion-for-5-1-speaker-system#post_23281102


I don't know what the prices are for you, but if you can afford to step up to the full sized Polk speaker lines, such as the Polk TSi 100/300, you'll get better sound. The tiny drivers in those satellite size speakers you are considering won't have the dynamics and more full range sound. Even if you had to buy part of it now and wait to build the rest of your set, it would be worthwhile.

Thanks for the suggestion. Can you please point to any guide/link which can help me on how to build a complete 5.1 home theater system starting with above mentioned speakers? Wanted to check what all things I need to buy and how can I plan it. \

Can these same speakers be used at front and back as well? Can these be wall mounted?
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Originally Posted by afrogt  /t/1470868/suggestion-for-5-1-speaker-system#post_23281402


The satellite speakers don't know the difference between 220V and 110/120V since they are not plugged into the wall. Perhaps you mean the powered sub does not have a switchable voltage?


You're going to have to make sure your receiver works on 220V too. I just checked my Denon and HK receivers and none of them have a voltage switch. You may need a converter if you plan to buy in the USA and take it to India.

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Bright-VC500W-Voltage-Transformer/dp/B000MX1QXA/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367778838&sr=1-5&keywords=120v+to+220v+converter

Thanks for pointing out this. Apart from the subwoofer for 'HKTS 16', all devices will require this converter. So once I have this, I think I will be pretty much relieved.



So considering this, I think Denon 1613/1713 is good for me.

Any other suggestions, especially w.r.t. speakers are really welcome.


I would like to have at least rear speakers wall mounted.


Thanks again.
 

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I don't think you can find a MultiEq XT32 receiver in your price range. The next best thing, in my opinion, is YAPO RSC (room correction). If I were you, (and actually, I was in a similar position not too long ago) I would do the following:


AVR: Yamaha RX-V673 $400 (if you have time and are patient, I found amazon reduced it to $360 two weekends ago)


Speakers:

Pioneer C22 Center $100

Pioneer B22s x 4 $200

Subtotal: $700


Or

Pioneer C22 Center $100

Pioneer FS52 x 2 $200 (main)

Pioneer B22s x 2 $100 (surrounds)

Subtotal: $800


Sub: Whatever left on your budget, go to sub forum and ask for suggestion given your price range.


If you are not too concerned on room correction, or network features, only want 5.1 setup go with Yamaha RX-V375 (comes with discrete amps) and simple YPAO at $250. You can find better values (features/price) with Onkyo, but sound and construction quality is not the same. Having owned both brands, I am now a Yamaha convert.


For speakers, I think a rule of thumb in this forum is not to go with any 5.1 package. But if you must, because of speaker size and style, I think Energy Take Classic 5.1 is the way to go. Also, you can find the MonoPrice alternative, but they won't be available until July. I believe this is because the ongoing lawsuit between Monoprice and Energy. Monoprice's allegedly are the same speakers (manufactured by the same supplier as Energy's) only with the Monoprice badge and lower price.
 

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Originally Posted by crn3371  /t/1470868/suggestion-for-5-1-speaker-system#post_23296067


Is there a reason why you can't purchase in India? Between shipping, loss of warranty, power converters, I'd think it would be easier to buy locally.

Actually, thats very valid point considering warranty especially. Couple of reasons like price difference(as close to 200$ in some AVRs) and model unavailability made me think of buying it here.
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21  /t/1470868/suggestion-for-5-1-speaker-system#post_23296410


I don't think you can find a MultiEq XT32 receiver in your price range. The next best thing, in my opinion, is YAPO RSC (room correction). If I were you, (and actually, I was in a similar position not too long ago) I would do the following:


AVR: Yamaha RX-V673 $400 (if you have time and are patient, I found amazon reduced it to $360 two weekends ago)


...

Thanks for the detailed information. Really useful to me.

Denon 1713(369$) has 'Audyssey MultEQ XT (8 points)', so is it really worth going for MultEQ XT32 and how can we compare it with YPAO as present in Yamaha RX-V673?


So which one seems better, considering I do not really need 7.1 system now.


Will do more study regarding speakers both from technical and economic point of view



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Originally Posted by Badouri  /t/1470868/suggestion-for-5-1-speaker-system#post_23296674


Hope they are better than RX-V473 and RX-V573

http://www.hometheater.com/content/yamaha-rx-v473-and-rx-v573-av-receivers-ht-labs-measures

Not sure what you mean, but the reviewer was happy with the sound performance of these receivers. Read performance and conclusion section. The RX-V375 is not better than RX-V473 and up but it does add discrete amps when compared to RX-V373 (2012 model). It is all about matching pricing, sound and build quality and features and where you are willing to compromise. My limited experience tells me, Yamaha's emphasis is on sound and build performance, Onkyo emphasis is on features.
 

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Originally Posted by sachhi99  /t/1470868/suggestion-for-5-1-speaker-system#post_23296998


Actually, thats very valid point considering warranty especially. Couple of reasons like price difference(as close to 200$ in some AVRs) and model unavailability made me think of buying it here.

Thanks for the detailed information. Really useful to me.

Denon 1713(369$) has 'Audyssey MultEQ XT (8 points)', so is it really worth going for MultEQ XT32 and how can we compare it with YPAO as present in Yamaha RX-V673?


So which one seems better, considering I do not really need 7.1 system now.


Will do more study regarding speakers both from technical and economic point of view



Thanks.

Before deciding you don't want 7.1, be aware the RX-V673 allows you to add 2 "presence" speakers, which I find it cool when watching sporting events. Purist don't like the added "gimmicks" these DSPs bring, so that is up to you to decide. Otherwise, I think the Denon is a good find, and I lean to believe MutiEQ XT is better that YPAO RSC.
 

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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21  /t/1470868/suggestion-for-5-1-speaker-system#post_23297148


Not sure what you mean, but the reviewer was happy with the sound performance of these receivers. Read performance and conclusion section. The RX-V375 is not better than RX-V473 and up but it does add discrete amps when compared to RX-V373 (2012 model). It is all about matching pricing, sound and build quality and features and where you are willing to compromise. My limited experience tells me, Yamaha's emphasis is on sound and build performance, Onkyo emphasis is on features.
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Yamaha RX-V573 A/V Receiver

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:

0.1% distortion at 20.8 watts

1% distortion at 24.9 watts

http://www.hometheater.com/content/onkyo-tx-nr414-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:

0.1% distortion at 53.1 watts

1% distortion at 66.7 watts

http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-1913-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:

0.1% distortion at 70.5 watts

1% distortion at 81.7 watts
 

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Originally Posted by Badouri  /t/1470868/suggestion-for-5-1-speaker-system#post_23297588

I see now what you mean, although those numbers from the Yamaha seem curiously low. Also, this apparent shortcoming is nowhere to be found/observed in the review, makes me wonder. My guess it should be fine to power most speakers in the price range. If the OP only cares for 5.1, the Denon seems like the better choice.
 

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Thanks all for your inputs. I think I am more inclined towards Denon 1713 now
Though, will check it out and Yamaha's performance in some store and then take final call.


Big confusion is w.r.t. speakers!

In India, I inquired about 5.1 speakers and they apparently dont have Energy Take classic now. When it was available, it was 250$+ more than current price here.

They suggested me Energy RC-Micro 5.1, which is just more than double the price I pay here.


They also suggested Paradigm CT100 - but could not get the price for it online easily. Any idea about these?


For individual bookshelf+subwoofer options, I will see how much I can stretch.

Dont know when I would be picking up next items if I plan to do it in phased manner(i.e. just to get some parts now due to budget)


Do you see any issues with these in general especially using them with step up/down transformer converting 220V/50Hz to 120V/60Hz?

Or any other compromises I would be making while going with 5.1 set instead of individual components?


Thanks again.


Cheers,

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Originally Posted by sachhi99  /t/1470868/suggestion-for-5-1-speaker-system#post_23299875


Thanks all for your inputs. I think I am more inclined towards Denon 1713 now
Though, will check it out and Yamaha's performance in some store and then take final call.


Big confusion is w.r.t. speakers!

In India, I inquired about 5.1 speakers and they apparently dont have Energy Take classic now. When it was available, it was 250$+ more than current price here.

They suggested me Energy RC-Micro 5.1, which is just more than double the price I pay here.


They also suggested Paradigm CT100 - but could not get the price for it online easily. Any idea about these?


For individual bookshelf+subwoofer options, I will see how much I can stretch.

Dont know when I would be picking up next items if I plan to do it in phased manner(i.e. just to get some parts now due to budget)


Do you see any issues with these in general especially using them with step up/down transformer converting 220V/50Hz to 120V/60Hz?

Or any other compromises I would be making while going with 5.1 set instead of individual components?


Thanks again.


Cheers,

-Sachin


At most price segments, it seems you are always compromising so no easy answer there. There is always the theme that for $50 more you can get....;


5.1 sets limits your choices in terms of quality. Buying separate, you can allocate more dollars to where it will make more impact and less to where it makes less. Kind of saying, are you willing to live with 5 mediocre speakers and sub, or you willing to live with good fronts, mediocre sub and poor surrounds. I lean to the latter.


If you are going to with a 5.1 set and can wait until July, you may want to get the Monoprice 5.1. They are exactly the same as the Energy Take Classic but with Monoprice badge and much lower cost. They are manufactured by the same subcontractor.
 

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At most price segments, it seems you are always compromising so no easy answer there. There is always the theme that for $50 more you can get....;


5.1 sets limits your choices in terms of quality. Buying separate, you can allocate more dollars to where it will make more impact and less to where it makes less. Kind of saying, are you willing to live with 5 mediocre speakers and sub, or you willing to live with good fronts, mediocre sub and poor surrounds. I lean to the latter.


If you are going to with a 5.1 set and can wait until July, you may want to get the Monoprice 5.1. They are exactly the same as the Energy Take Classic but with Monoprice badge and much lower cost. They are manufactured by the same subcontractor.

Indeed true that I am making a compromise.

The above mentioned 5.1 sets are not which I am really interested in(apart from Enery Take classic/MonoPrice) but were suggested by the AV store in India.

After visiting bestbuy store, I am realizing what you are saying. For me as well, it would be ok to have mediocre sub and poor surround. But I think front and center should be good. The thing I miss with my current very basic 2.1(I think those are Creative computer speakers really, plugged in with 3.5mm jack to TV) is the centre sound for dialogues I believe.


What front, center, sub, surround you would suggest considering I can stretch the budget a bit? :p


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What front, center, sub, surround you would suggest considering I can stretch the budget a bit? :p


Here is what I suggested earlier. I own and I am a big fan of these:
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Speakers:

Pioneer C22 Center $100

Pioneer B22s x 4 $200

Subtotal: $700


Or

Pioneer C22 Center $100

Pioneer FS52 x 2 $200 (main)

Pioneer B22s x 2 $100 (surrounds)

Subtotal: $800


Sub: Whatever left on your budget, go to sub forum and ask for suggestion given your price range.

I say they are worth twice their price and be compared with speakers in that price range. A lot of people also like the Infinity Primus and swear by them. I have not heard them myself, and they cost little more than the Pioneers They were the value kings until the Pioneer arrived. They have a lot of fans, but I think it is because they have been around for few years now. the Pioneers are 2012 and recently becoming popular. Most professional reviews, in fact, all professional reviews I have read favor the Pioneers over the Primus (with the exception of bass extension, but the sub takes care of that). Of course, at the end is whatever you like best and not our opinions.


Right now, Fry's has the towers for $77 each, so even more savings. You can have Best Buy match those. That will give more $$ for the sub.


I have done a little bit of research since someone suggested using a bookshelf as a center speaker and not a purposely designed center speaker. In a few words, sound quality is better on towers/bookshelves than specific center speakers because of the woofer orientation. The problem, and why center speakers are designed the way they are (horizontally) is because the look better under the TV and are more conveniently placed In other words, a marketing driven design at the cost of sound quality. If you have the space, and can raise your TV, you may want to buy another tower or bookshelf as your center. Just make sure all the fronts are timbre matched, which is the case with the pioneers. You can have 2 towers for left and right and a bookshelf as a center, or 3 towers or 3 bookshelves. Pioneer bookshelves are sold in pairs, so unless you buy 3 towers, or their center speaker, you will have an extra speaker which you could sell or use as a back surround in a 6.1 config.
 
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