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Suggestions for ID auditions/choice?

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i finally pulled the trigger on an RPTV (samsung HLS6187w) and now need to put together the 5.1 surround system. i'm planning on going the ID route for the components, and will in home audition probably 2-4 different brands of speakers.


due to shipping charges i don't want to bring in complete 5.1 setups for comparison, so my main question is, should i get center channel speakers to compare, or a pair of mains?


currently i'm leaning towards ascend (lots of good reviews, and high "bang for the buck" factor), aperion (high WAF but i don't hear much discussion/comparison about them), and possibly onix (great comments on bigfoot center channel, but low WAF) or axiom (low WAF, seem pricey compared to others).


i've heard a home system built around polk RT8's and liked the sound.


i'd appreciate any other specific recommendations.


budget: prefer about $2-3000 for the speakers

room size: 20x30 feet

acoustics: relatively "live", wood floors etc.

arrangement: TV and mains are in a corner which is going to compromise the acoustics somewhat

sub: i've decided on SVS. any advice on which one?

electronics: probably Denon or Outlaw -- advice?

use: probably 50/50 HT and "background" music

other factors: WAF. she prefers piano black finish, or at least black

mount: all speakers freestanding, no wall or ceiling mounting


thanks a lot!
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Well for music the the main front speakers are the most important. For HT both the main front speakers and the center channel are important. There will be no point in just getting a center channel to compare as you will be missing out on the rest for both HT and music. I would suggest you go with the main front two speakers and try them out. They are very important and will tell you how music will sound on them and will give you an idea on how they will perfrom with HT as well. Buying ID is tough as you can loose some money if you decide to send them back, but it can be very rewarding if you like them and also save at the same time. I just bought a pair of Swan 6.1 main speakers and love them so far. They sound really good and put out a great sound stage. I am now waiting for my center channel to arrive. I took the risk and paid the shipping cost and I am very satisfied with the purchase! If you can deal with the shipping, try the main speakers for the test.


- Garrett
AV123 has the onix rockets that have great reviews and lots of hype (including my hype). they fit your price range.


Check out the ********** forum for owners that allow auditions, you might have a person close enough to you.


Onix, Ascend and Axioms seem to be the top popular ID brands.
thanks, garrett. that makes sense.


why did you end up choosing the swans over what else is out there?


i figure i'll end up making some investment in shipping charges, but it will probably be money well spent as i can hear how the speakers sound in MY room, which is likely different from how they are going to sound in a showroom.


penngray that is what i figured as far as popularity, also. i'm not sure why the aperions are not more popular.
Aperions don't have the buzz on this list but the sound is fantastic. My son has a system based on these speakers and it sounds great.


Get the front LR's and try them with music that you know. If music sounds good - movies will too. The reverse is not always the case.
I agree with boxerboy and he said it shorter then what I have explianed. Music will really show what the speakers have to offer. If the music does not perform very well, then you know it will not do so hot with HT. I went with Swans as they were at a very good price and I wanted to give them a try. I have yet to find a review or comments of people saying bad things about them. But the price was what caught my eye. So I took the risk and got them! I am very happy with my purchase and I am also glade that I spent half of my budget as well. Also talking to Jon the owner of theaudioinsider.com who sells these speakers, he was very honest, answered all my questions and he knew his stuff. I listened to many other speaker brands before I bought these and I must say they impressed me the most. I am looking forward to your testing and would like to see what you have to say about the brands you test. Everyone has their opinion on sound and what they like in a speaker. Please keep us informed of your results! Some ID brands to try which have been stated above: av123, axiom, ascend, swan (theaudioinsider).


- Garrett
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Some ID brands to try which have been stated above: av123, axiom, ascend, swan
Order a set of each and set-up a blind A/B/C comparison and then you can return the one's you didn't like as much, at least this way you'll be choosing what you like best , personally. Speaker preferance is very personal.
I would say that A/Bing pairs of mains is the way to decide.
You've got a list of some excellent choices, and I doubt you'll be disappointed with any of them. However comparing in your own home is the absolutely best way to find what you prefer.


Ascend: Your comments are dead on!


Aperion: Don't know a thing about them (I guess that confirms your comments on them as well ;) )


Onix: I'm confused by your "low WAF" factor. Since Rockets are, IMHO, really beautiful speakers, may I assume that the objection is Bigfoot's size? You are correct about the quality of Bigfoot's sound. Best center I've ever heard. With a room as large as yours, depending on how far the seating area will be from the speakers, I would think you'd be looking at some good sized speakers anyway. (OOPS! Just noticed that the wife prefers piano black. No Rockets in piano black)


Axiom: Equally confused by the "seem pricey compared to others" comment. I sorta feel they're right in the ballpark. Are you considering that the cost of shipping is included in purchase price? If you opt to return them you pay return shipping, but I suspect that is the case with all of your options. By the way, QS8s are the best surrounds I've ever heard.


I vote for getting the mains as opposed to just the center channel. If you like the sound of the mains, chances are you'll like the center. Of course getting the mains and the center would be ideal, but I'd understand if that is cost prohibitive.


Good luck and enjoy the hunt! :)

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i finally pulled the trigger on an RPTV (samsung HLS6187w) and now need to put together the 5.1 surround system. i'm planning on going the ID route for the components, and will in home audition probably 2-4 different brands of speakers.


due to shipping charges i don't want to bring in complete 5.1 setups for comparison, so my main question is, should i get center channel speakers to compare, or a pair of mains?


currently i'm leaning towards ascend (lots of good reviews, and high "bang for the buck" factor), aperion (high WAF but i don't hear much discussion/comparison about them), and possibly onix (great comments on bigfoot center channel, but low WAF) or axiom (low WAF, seem pricey compared to others).


i've heard a home system built around polk RT8's and liked the sound.


i'd appreciate any other specific recommendations.


budget: prefer about $2-3000 for the speakers

room size: 20x30 feet

acoustics: relatively "live", wood floors etc.

arrangement: TV and mains are in a corner which is going to compromise the acoustics somewhat

sub: i've decided on SVS. any advice on which one?

electronics: probably Denon or Outlaw -- advice?

use: probably 50/50 HT and "background" music

other factors: WAF. she prefers piano black finish, or at least black

mount: all speakers freestanding, no wall or ceiling mounting


thanks a lot!
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thanks, everyone, for the comments!


please toss out anything that may be helpful as far as choice of SVS sub (per room size, and/or compatibility with the different speakers i'm considering), and receiver/amp. i know there is a lot of good stuff out there but making it all work together seems to be the trick.


i have a sample of the rocket's rosewood veneer, and while it is very pretty, it is a different color from some cherry furniture already in the room that will be next to the speakers. that is why the low WAF. i might be able to sell her on these if i become convinced they are the best choice, but keep in mind she really wants "some of those little bose speakers that are not very noticeable" so i'm trying to compromise. i would just cross the rockets off the list if it were not for what i've been reading about the bigfoot center channel.


while looks certainly are not as important as the sound, i do think that piano black would look the best as it would match up nice with the sammy 6187. keep in mind this is all in the living room.


thanks again!
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I forgot to mention, the Swan 6.1's that I just bought are in Black cherry finish. Though not real wood veneer, they do look really good and as much as I like the stained and hand polish look of wood, it would be hard to match to the furniture in my room.


- Garrett
Don't order a center to test. Get a pair of mains to test. And then test them with music, not movies. If a speaker sounds good with music, it will probably sound good with movies too (though I think jazz and classical music require a brighter speaker than rock and movies do).


I have outlaw components. I have one of their older receivers and their monoblock amps. I think their components are a best-buy. They are not quite audiophile grade, but they are close. You can't beat them for the price and virtually identical complents are sold for much more than Outlaw sells them for.


Depending on where you live, many ID speaker companies will refer you to people in your area who will let you come to their homes and demo their speakers. That would sure save you a lot of shipping charges. Contact the speaker companies directly and ask them for references in your area.


I have a 13' by 30' room with a concrete floor. After auditioning many, many speakers, I decided that, for me, EFE speakers offered the best combination of sound and price. I consider EFE to be an ID brand in that they will email you their catalog if you ask but don't have a website and only sell by word of mouth. If you want their contact info, PM me and I'll send it to you (I think they sell both their domestic line and their imported line of speakers in piano gloss black).


I also have an SVS sub (the 25-31 PC+). It is a great sub, but if I had to do it all over again, I might perhaps order one of their subs that goes to 20Hz. I don't know that it would make much difference, but I'd do it just to have that extra capability. There are some trade-offs for that though. Talk with the people at SVS; they are a great resource.


I have also heard good things about Ascend, GR-Research, Swan, Cambridge Soundworks, Onix, Axiom, and Magnepan. Magnepan would be very worth checking out if you listen to a lot of classical or jazz (since you are getting amps and a sub anyway).
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while looks certainly are not as important as the sound, i do think that piano black would look the best as it would match up nice with the sammy 6187. keep in mind this is all in the living room.
OOOO! Good point. All piano black speakers would look killer with the 6187. On the other hand, IMHO I find the speakers' piano black endcaps tie together my Rockets and my 5687 just fine. :D

http://members.cox.net/rijax/RocketHT62506.jpg


I would understand completely, and not be offended in the least if you and/or your wife disagree. :)


P.S. Disregard the PQ of the HDTV. The camera flash did a real number on the screen, and what the photo shows is not representative of the how good this HDTV looks. :eek:
Rijax,


Who makes the tv and audio stands that you are using in the picture?


- Garrett
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Don't order a center to test. Get a pair of mains to test. And then test them with music, not movies. If a speaker sounds good with music, it will probably sound good with movies too (though I think jazz and classical music require a brighter speaker than rock and movies do).
If the main focus of the purchase is music then sure but if its HT then this is a bad suggestion!!


80+% of movies goes through the center channel. This means the center channel is the MOST important speaker for HT. Therefore one should make sure the center channel is great and not just an after thought.


I have found that many of the good mains dont have great center channel options but on the other hand great center channel speakers seem to always have matching great mains.


IF HT is your goal then FIND yourself a great Center Channel the get the Mains to match it.


Food for thought Onix RSC200 at around $500 is constantly compared to Center channels at $2K. (hehe :D)
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I have found that many of the good mains dont have great center channel options but on the other hand great center channel speakers seem to always have matching great mains.
Hmmmm.........
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I have found that many of the good mains dont have great center channel options but on the other hand great center channel speakers seem to always have matching great mains.
Well...lets be honest. The RSC200 is the oldest speaker in the Rocket line at the moment. When it first came out, it did not timbre match the RS750 that well, which at the time was the flagship, I felt it was better matched with the RS550mk2, which has now been discontinued.


I have not heard the latest offerings so I can't tell you how well they match, but they have gone through some crossover changes while the RSC200 has not.


IMO, the RSC200 is a good center channel, but if you are going to test out a system, the center channel is not necessarily going to tell you how the rest of the system sounds. I think that is true for many brands.
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Rijax,


Who makes the tv and audio stands that you are using in the picture?


- Garrett
Hi Garret. The TV is a Samsung HL-S5687W . The stands are Sanus Euro . Not the most elegant stands, but being modular, they are practical and offer a flexibility that I needed. They come with pillars that separate the shelves by 8", but 5" or 12" pillars are also available at fairly reasonable prices. I have 12" pillars under the TV to accommodate the Bigfoot center channel.


I opted for the basic black (less expensive), but they also are available with cherry finish shelves, and glass shelves. Click on the "View All Euro" button at the bottom of the page, and you'll get an idea of prices. They can be found elsewhere on the internet for a few dollars less per unit.
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Looks very nice, Jack...I didn't realize it was part of a modular system. I like it.
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