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An updated list is being kept at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_rec..._DVD_recorders


All have a DVD recorder so far. All downscale the native HD signal.

Therefore you will get better picture quality from a dedicated ATSC tuner such as the Samsung DTB-H260F

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Model IDFeaturesPriceAvailableManualMore info
LG
DR787T230NowForum thread
Review
DR797T
VCR300
Panasonic
All have QAM
DMR-EZ7K
Up convert to 1080p250AprilAlternate
DMR-EZ17K
200Nowyes
DMR-EZ37K
Up convert to 1080p315April
Philips
DVDR3505
Up converts to 720p and 1080i200Nowyes
Alt 1
2
DVDR3575H_37
160GB Hard Disc330May

RCA DRC8335 VHS 250 - April

Samsung AVR650 250 - April
Samsung AVR950 - VHS - 300 - April

Sylvania zc350sl8 - 170 - April

Toshiba D-R550 - QAM - 230 - March - Alt 1 Alt 2 3
Toshiba D-VR650 - QAM - VHS - 275 - March


I put a March date on the units that were available for preorder in February.


Cross posted at HDTV reception hardware forum: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=803388
 

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From the "little" picture of the Panny it looks pretty much like last years model only in black. Wonder if all the ATSC Tuner units will be in black instead of silver?


Glad to see that BLACK is making a comeback though
 

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As has been mentioned by other posters, the Panasonics look like the current models with a hefty kick in price for the added ATSC tuners. If that is the price premium an ATSC tuner adds, even at this late stage of the turnover, then it is no wonder why manufacturers delay until after the dates of the FCC mandates before they put the products on the shelf.


I see nothing in any of the press releases for the Panasonics that would indicate they will record 5.1 from those tuners. They are already down-rezing HD to 480, so I would not be surprised to see them down-converting 5.1 to 2.0 as well. In other words, exactly the same recording capabilites we have now. Think about it -- this would truely make DVD recorders the "VCRs" of the digital age.
 

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When I think about means of recording OTA-HD I think of firewire, D-VHS, PCs and standalone HD-DVR OTA tuners. Do simple standalone tuners that downrez to 480i exist?

Yes. All standalone ATSC tuners do this (480i is what comes out of the S-Video and composite ports on these tuners).
 

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I assume these would be standard definition tuners?meaning they record downrezzed 480i HD,but if you used them as a tuner for a HD monitor,would the maximum resolution be 480?

One of the descriptions said they would display in full resolution either 720p or 1080i. Only down scale when recording.
 

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One of the descriptions said they would display in full resolution either 720p or 1080i. Only down scale when recording.

This make sense. The ATSC tuner and DVD recorder are just packaged as a "unit". The ATSC tuner tunes in the OTA signal and in the case of HD..720p or 1080i would be seen on your display no different than the way your TV's ATSC tuner works. But when that signal is sent to the recorder part of the "unit" its downrezd to 480i.
 

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As has been mentioned by other posters, the Panasonics look like the current models with a hefty kick in price for the added ATSC tuners. If that is the price premium an ATSC tuner adds, even at this late stage of the turnover, then it is no wonder why manufacturers delay until after the dates of the FCC mandates before they put the products on the shelf.


I see nothing in any of the press releases for the Panasonics that would indicate they will record 5.1 from those tuners. They are already down-rezing HD to 480, so I would not be surprised to see them down-converting 5.1 to 2.0 as well. In other words, exactly the same recording capabilites we have now. Think about it -- this would truely make DVD recorders the "VCRs" of the digital age.

Especially with no HDD's!
 

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Especially with no HDD's!

What I meant by my comment was that for decades people have accepted recording with VCRs that recorded analog TV at half the horizontal/vertical broadcast resolution. Now we will have hi-def TV and a fleet of new DVDRs that will record the 1920x1080 hi-def signal at 720x480 which is actually quite a bit less than half the vertical/horizontal resolution. People will probably be very satisfied with that. That makes DVDR's the new VCR for the digital age.
 

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In other words, exactly the same recording capabilites we have now. Think about it -- this would truely make DVD recorders the "VCRs" of the digital age.

Not true, my current DVD recorder can not tune nor record any digital channel. So, these do have capabilities that my current DVD recorder does not. Don't forget there are still plenty of people that can't afford (or refuse to) pay for TV and use OTA only. The capability to record a digital signal is a big upgrade over recording an analog OTA signal.
 

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What I meant by my comment was that for decades people have accepted recording with VCRs that recorded analog TV at half the horizontal/vertical broadcast resolution. Now we will have hi-def TV and a fleet of new DVDRs that will record the 1920x1080 hi-def signal at 720x480 which is actually quite a bit less than half the vertical/horizontal resolution. People will probably be very satisfied with that. That makes DVDR's the new VCR for the digital age.

I got it. And you make perfect sense. I just added the HDD comment as evidence of my fustration over the lack of them in the 2007 models.
 

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Question: Do any of these DVD Recorders output HD-quality broadcast signals via component out? I'm looking for an HD ATSC/QAM tuner and find the combined ATSC tuner/DVD Recorder to be an interesting product, even if the recording abilities are only 480i.


I'm thinking this way: If I can get an all-in-one solution that allows me to watch HD live broadcasts and very good SD recordings from broadcasts on recordable media via time shift, I can dump my cable HD feed and use this box solely. I might lose a program guide built-in, but I have never found my cable co.'s guide to be all that useful (was spoiled by Tivo during my DirecTV years).


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Question: Do any of these DVD Recorders output HD-quality broadcast signals via component out? I'm looking for an HD ATSC/QAM tuner and find the combined ATSC tuner/DVD Recorder to be an interesting product, even if the recording abilities are only 480i.


I'm thinking this way: If I can get an all-in-one solution that allows me to watch HD live broadcasts and very good SD recordings from broadcasts on recordable media via time shift, I can dump my cable HD feed and use this box solely. I might lose a program guide built-in, but I have never found my cable co.'s guide to be all that useful (was spoiled by Tivo during my DirecTV years).

I don't think anyone here has used one and specs are very hard to come by. So the answer to your first question is maybe.


As far as the second question, assuming the unit you buy as a QAM tuner, you will only be able to receive the unencrypted digital (which includes HD) stations. The means no HBO, ESPN, etc. It varies from area to area, but most of the time the only unencrypted digital signals are the local channels.
 

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the difficulty may be the integration of such a device with a DVR, like Tivo or replaytv. I am not sure how you could get Tivo to control those devices - I tried with a Samsung atsc tuner and couldn't get the combo to work.
 

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One of the descriptions said they would display in full resolution either 720p or 1080i. Only down scale when recording.

But will it record a 480i ANAMORPHIC signal, or are we stuck with letterboxing all HD content?
 

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All the ATSC tuners that I've used allow you to choose a display format when viewing an HD signal via a 480i or 480p output: anamorphic ("squeezed"), side-cropped ("pan&scan"), or letterboxed. I hope the new recorders allow recording those same formats. But we can't really tell until we can get our hands on the recorders or their user manuals.
 
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