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Originally posted by swanlee
This thread is not about objective tests, I was simply answering his question, if you have a factual problem with my answer that is fine but your leading this thread in a completely different direction for your own benefit of a particular argument that you really seem to enjoy interjecting in threads on this forum. Anyone can do a search on your name here and see how you like to invade threads and start this kind of objective vs subjective ABX stuff.
Regardless if anyone can hear a difference or not a current limiting design will not allow a receiver to reach it's published specs with all channels driven and more and more companies are doing this these days. Even If I could not hear a difference I would still rather get what I'm paying for.
If I had a choice between to receivers one would match it's published specs and the other does not I will take the one matches it's published specs. |
How can you say I'm taking this thread into another direction? I'm responding to the original poster as you did. The person came to this forum looking for advice, he is trying to decide which flagship receiver he should purchase. Their are various opinions being given to Binap, most seem to be subjective audio opinions, such as the one above by A4short
"A friend from work auditioned the Sunfire vs the Denon 5803. He bought the Denon - said he expected it to be a close choice - in the end the Denon blew away the Sunfire."
Now since Binap said he going to purchase off the internet and might not have a chance to hear the units for himself, if A4short is to believed, he might just be influenced to purchase the Denon over the Sunfire because doesn't measure up to Denon when it comes to sound. That is the epitome of subjective audio opinion, I highly doubt that Denon blows away the Sunfire, if anything they are about even, probably sound more alike than not alike.
You can do a search on me and you will find me adovcating the use of DBT, Idon't apologize for that. I open up a thread myself where I indicated that I'm an objectivist and I will advise those who come to the forum seeking audio from an objectivist perspective. Do you think subjectivist are the only ones qualified to give opinions and advice on audio.
If see a thread such as, (1) What should I purchase receiver or separates, (2) Should I add and separate amp to my receiver, (3) How can I improve the sound of my systems, etc. I'm going to advise or offer an opinion based on an objective perspective, you can offer all the subjective opinions you want.
People come into this forum looking for advice on how to make a good and wise purchase, not everyone is involved in insane consumerism and wasteful spending.
Also, you are the one who tried to make a joke about not knowing the difference between real gold and fake gold, I think you were in a way trying to make a joke about DBT's and differences between audio components. I didn't once mention ABX test or DBT until this post.
Putting aside your attack against me, what I was saying about watts per channel and real world application is practical wise advice. What difference does it make if the Sunfire doesn't actually produce 200 watts per channel x7, but actually measures at 170 watts per channel x7, in the real world, that's all the headroom you're going to need.
Check it the opitmal wattage need for room and speakers size:
http://www.myhometheater.homestead....calculator.html
check out the thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=195055