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Get started with #1. I don't have the VC1 release to hand, TC and SE in the new set are both 20Mbit/s AVC.<br><br>
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Frustratingly inconsistent. I gave up once Lex and crew were reprogramming the rockets. TC is better in some scenes and SE in others. I'll never understand how this is allowed to happen considering the Theatrical is supposed to be a new transfer.
 

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#2. Donner Cut is the same VC1 encode as previous release.<br><br>
Theatrical | Donner Cut<br><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/98995a136868367" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails27.imagebam.com/13687/98995a136868367.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/b4a395136868380" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails14.imagebam.com/13687/b4a395136868380.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/6a4c3e136868402" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails39.imagebam.com/13687/6a4c3e136868402.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/8ad913136868435" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/13687/8ad913136868435.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/123547136868447" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/13687/123547136868447.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/5e8770136868460" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails43.imagebam.com/13687/5e8770136868460.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/749960136868471" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails40.imagebam.com/13687/749960136868471.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/583c8f136868490" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails42.imagebam.com/13687/583c8f136868490.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/8656a9136868506" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails28.imagebam.com/13687/8656a9136868506.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/bdff45136868530" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails30.imagebam.com/13687/bdff45136868530.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/cdfe5d136868538" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails29.imagebam.com/13687/cdfe5d136868538.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/863ac9136868565" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails42.imagebam.com/13687/863ac9136868565.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/0aa3ae136868575" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/13687/0aa3ae136868575.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/3be4b5136868596" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails43.imagebam.com/13687/3be4b5136868596.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/2cc74b136868608" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/13687/2cc74b136868608.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/3fa11a136868645" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails37.imagebam.com/13687/3fa11a136868645.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/9c940c136868650" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails22.imagebam.com/13687/9c940c136868650.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/64b40a136868663" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails21.imagebam.com/13687/64b40a136868663.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a>
 

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Thanks! Wow, I can't wait for the theatrical Superman 2. What a difference! Maybe I will go scene by scene and make my own best cuts of both versions of Superman 1.
 

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#3. There were HDNet and bs-hi broadcasts but too lazy to find them.<br><br>
2006 DVD | BD<br><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/9e9d24136877933" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails30.imagebam.com/13688/9e9d24136877933.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/933223136877947" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/13688/933223136877947.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/a0c79d136877942" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/13688/a0c79d136877942.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/857224136877964" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails34.imagebam.com/13688/857224136877964.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/7c6a14136877951" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails14.imagebam.com/13688/7c6a14136877951.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/8a6c5d136877997" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/13688/8a6c5d136877997.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/c535c1136877960" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails29.imagebam.com/13688/c535c1136877960.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/954532136878043" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/13688/954532136878043.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/2dedab136877971" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails36.imagebam.com/13688/2dedab136877971.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/82a607136878080" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails42.imagebam.com/13688/82a607136878080.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/e7b1be136877995" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/13688/e7b1be136877995.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/209766136878100" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails47.imagebam.com/13688/209766136878100.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/4aa86d136878020" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails37.imagebam.com/13688/4aa86d136878020.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/027c02136878136" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/13688/027c02136878136.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/0002ed136878030" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails47.imagebam.com/13688/0002ed136878030.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/bbe2d8136878168" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails43.imagebam.com/13688/bbe2d8136878168.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/36f49d136878052" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails35.imagebam.com/13688/36f49d136878052.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/68265d136878199" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/13688/68265d136878199.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/43b05e136878069" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails46.imagebam.com/13688/43b05e136878069.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/768626136878224" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails40.imagebam.com/13688/768626136878224.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br>
A nice surprise, solid transfer.
 

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Again surprisingly nice.
 

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Thanks for all the work!
 

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Yes, thanks for posting these. Very interesting. I haven't compared the theatrical version of 1 with the new extended mastering but I didn't see any problems with it. The caps you posted look like what I saw. What are your issues with it?
 

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Just going off the pictures, the transfers for both Superman III and IV look wonderful. Clean detail, nice colors and a pleasing contrast on both of them. The colors of Superman's costume have never looked better, they are pitch-perfect. Much the same can also be said for the new theatrical version of Superman II. The theatrical version just looks better than the Donner cut in terms of contrast and gamma levels.<br><br>
I wonder what elements they used for the transfer of the first Superman's theatrical cut? A complete restoration of the film elements for it might have done wonders. As is, it looks a bit worse in some spots compared to the older video encode for the extended cut. It looks like the theatrical cut was just included to attract buyers, not much significant work appears to have been attempted on it to improve the picture quality. At least it got a new AVC video encode.<br><br>
Thank you for the comparison pictures.
 

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Nice pics.<br><br>
The color differences are interesting between the theatrical and extended of the first movie. On the extended edition, blue seems more accurate and preferable. However, as you said, some scenes vary. It seems the grain structure is a bit more intact on the theatrical, as well.
 

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We need mouseover versions to make this easier. Ugh. But from what I see of SUPERMAN, the theatrical looks sharper. SE has a slight blurriness. Why would that be/ Why not do seemless branching? Very very strange.<br><br>
Why oh why can't Warner make SUPERMAN available by it fricking self!? I do not want to and will not pay for III and IV, which I despise.
 

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We need mouseover versions to make this easier. Ugh.<br><br>
Why oh why can't Warner make SUPERMAN available by it fricking self!? I do not want to and will not pay for III and IV, which I despise.</div>
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Yes, mouseovers please.<br><br>
There worth it for Reeve IMHO.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Matt_Stevens</strong> <a href="/forum/post/20579923"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
We need mouseover versions to make this easier. Ugh. But from what I see of SUPERMAN, the theatrical looks sharper. SE has a slight blurriness. Why would that be/ Why not do seemless branching? Very very strange.</div>
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I do not see one bit of extra detail or added resolution in the theatrical cut over the SE, at least in these pictures. Just a possible tiny shift in contrast or white levels.
 

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I do not see one bit of extra detail or added resolution in the theatrical cut over the SE, at least in these pictures. Just a possible tiny shift in contrast or white levels.</div>
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Take a look at the picture of young Clark with Jonathan Kent. The SE has a blurry Clark face, and the wrinkles are mostly gone on Jonathan's forehead.
 

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But from what I see of SUPERMAN, the theatrical looks sharper. SE has a slight blurriness.</div>
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I do not see one bit of extra detail or added resolution in the theatrical cut over the SE, at least in these pictures. Just a possible tiny shift in contrast or white levels.</div>
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Take a look at the picture of young Clark with Jonathan Kent. The SE has a blurry Clark face, and the wrinkles are mostly gone on Jonathan's forehead.</div>
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Here's the rub, and you'll only notice if you look at *all* the shots or watch both versions: neither is ultimately better than the other because the theatrical transfer is so inconsistent.<br><br>
The beginning of the flick with all the scenes on Krypton? Theatrical looks better: sharper, finer grain. Then Clark lands on Earth, and all of a sudden things get blurry and it looks worse than the SE. After Clark runs back to the farm? Gets better again. Clark heads north? Still better. Older Clark heads for Metropolis? Gets blurry again. This goes on for every major junction of the movie.<br><br>
It's very, very annoying to say the least. Which is a shame, because in the + scenes, the theatrical is a nice transfer. In the - scenes, even the DNR laden SE is somehow coming out on top.
 

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I like these ones.
 

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Here's the rub, and you'll only notice if you look at *all* the shots or watch both versions: neither is ultimately better than the other because the theatrical transfer is so inconsistent.<br><br>
The beginning of the flick with all the scenes on Krypton? Theatrical looks better: sharper, finer grain. Then Clark lands on Earth, and all of a sudden things get blurry and it looks worse than the SE. ...</div>
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I got the set a week back and I was eager to see the differences between the encodes. I was sure that we were going to see the theatrical being clearly superior due to the newer master. But then Robert Harris posted some early criticism of the Smallville scenes in the theatrical cut so that's where I looked first (the first scene with the Kents discovering the baby). It was clear the SE was superior, with the theatrical looking too washed/blown out.<br><br>
But then flipping around, I'll be damned, but there are scenes here and there where the theatrical has got to be better- and thanks to your caps I can now see my eyes weren't fooling me after all. I didn't go through the whole film so I didn't know how extensive this push/pull was. I too gave up during the whole missile sequence- except that I stopped when they cut to the inside of the truck cabin with Lex and Otis ("Get it right this time") On the one disc (I forgot which but think it must have been the theatrical) the interior is so noticeably poorer, with plenty of crush, that it just wasn't close.<br><br>
WTF?! Neither one of these is going to be a wholly satisfying experience.<br>
And it's no longer "it must be the source", since there is now direct evidence that the same shots can and do look better elsewhere.<br><br>
AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH. It was bad enough they never bothered to upgrade the Fleischer cartoons to HD- but to presenst such a scattershot 'upgrade' of the one truly great film in the set is maddening- especially for the price tag.<br><br>
Since I couldn't care less about the last three films, and since the stuff I do care about is inconsistently done or not upgraded at all, this has turned out the be a hugely disappointing set. And since this is the last time they are likely to revisit the material for the next decade or so- if not forever on this format, I'm just depressed.
 

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At least we have 3 or more sources to pull the best frames from, so a pretty good final version should be possible to construct.
 

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I was just about to write "why did they change the color timing of 2, 3 and 4". You beat me to it... I'm not sure I like the color differences...
 

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#2. Donner Cut is the same VC1 encode as previous release.<br><br>
Theatrical | Donner Cut<br><br><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/0aa3ae136868575" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/13687/0aa3ae136868575.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a><a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/3be4b5136868596" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://thumbnails43.imagebam.com/13687/3be4b5136868596.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
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Are these swapped?<br>
The theatrical seems to have redder faces but with more detail, but in these, it appears the opposite.
 
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