The SB2000pro is a lot smaller and will have more than twice the output above 30-40hz (nearly all bass in music is above 40hz) so the 2KPro will have much more "punch". So if space is tight and you can give up some output under 30hz the SB2KPro would be worth the $300 for some.
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SVS pb 1000 not pro vs sb 2000 pro
seem very close output wise why choose one over other
$300 price difference for bluetooth app?
$300 price difference for bluetooth app?
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PB-1000 (not Pro)SVS pb 1000 not pro vs sb 2000 pro
seem very close output wise why choose one over other
$300 price difference for bluetooth app?
- 10" driver
- 300W (RMS/continuous) amp
- 19-270 Hz +/- 3dB
SB-2000 Pro
- 12" driver
- 550W (RMS/continuous) amp
- 19-240 Hz +/- 3dB
Cabin gain in a 10' x 10' room should give the SB stronger and deeper sub-20Hz output vs. the PB (which appears to roll off quite steeply below ~23-24Hz). And the SB's more powerful amp should also provide greater output above, say, 30 or 40Hz.
Well one is ported and one is sealed for one.
What's your primary use for said sub? How big or small is the room?
What's your primary use for said sub? How big or small is the room?
according to this chartThe SB2000pro is a lot smaller and will have more than twice the output above 30-40hz (nearly all bass in music is above 40hz) so the 2KPro will have much more "punch". So if space is tight and you can give up some output under 30hz the SB2KPro would be worth the $300 for some.
Subwoofer Comparison (by @sweetchaos) - Google Sheets
pb 1000 @ 40hz 110db output
@ 50 hz 113db
sb2000p @ 40hz 114db output
@ 50hz 114db output
how audible will that actually be?
Don't know where those numbers come from but the PB1000 does not have that much output. The old PB12NSD would out perform the PB1000 by a fair amount down low and by a little at all frequencies, but even if you call it even it still is pretty far behind the 2KPro models. You can used the sealed mode number from Audiholics to get close to what the SB2KPro would do.according to this chart
Subwoofer Comparison (by @sweetchaos) - Google Sheets
pb 1000 @ 40hz 110db output
@ 50 hz 113db
sb2000p @ 40hz 114db output
@ 50hz 114db output
how audible will that actually be?
well I dont know which chart is correct but the above is for a different sub even though you say its somewhat similarDon't know where those numbers come from but the PB1000 does not have that much output. The old PB12NSD would out perform the PB1000 by a fair amount down low and by a little at all frequencies, but even if you call it even it still is pretty far behind the 2KPro models. You can used the sealed mode number from Audiholics to get close to what the SB2KPro would do.
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The app is very very very handy for changing the sub level on the fly along with the source material-though I was told many AVR remotes can do this. The Pro also has DSP room EQ, although we don't use that on our SB-2000 Pro since we run Audyssey.seem very close output wise why choose one over other
$300 price difference for bluetooth app?
Review: SVS PB-1000 subwoofer Measurements | Sound & Vision (soundandvision.com)
PB 1000
Ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz) average: 113.0 dB
20 Hz 110.6 dB
25 Hz 113.0 dB
31.5 Hz 114.9 dB
Low bass (40-63 Hz) average: 121.6 dB
40 Hz 119.8 dB
50 Hz 122.2 dB
63 Hz 122.5 dB
PB 1000
Ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz) average: 113.0 dB
20 Hz 110.6 dB
25 Hz 113.0 dB
31.5 Hz 114.9 dB
Low bass (40-63 Hz) average: 121.6 dB
40 Hz 119.8 dB
50 Hz 122.2 dB
63 Hz 122.5 dB
That's not even close to reality. I don't recall what the actual numbers look like, but that's just silly. It would take a 15"/18" driver in a much larger cabinet to reach those levels.Review: SVS PB-1000 subwoofer Measurements | Sound & Vision (soundandvision.com)
PB 1000
Ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz) average: 113.0 dB
20 Hz 110.6 dB
25 Hz 113.0 dB
31.5 Hz 114.9 dB
Low bass (40-63 Hz) average: 121.6 dB
40 Hz 119.8 dB
50 Hz 122.2 dB
63 Hz 122.5 dB
Here are some examples to use as a comparison.
Mixing data sets from different sites. Those numbers are for 1m Peak, which is 9 dB higher than if reported as 2m RMS, which is more common. So subtract 9 dB from all those numbers if you want to compare to a sub that is being reported with 2m RMS numbers.Review: SVS PB-1000 subwoofer Measurements | Sound & Vision (soundandvision.com)
PB 1000
Ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz) average: 113.0 dB
20 Hz 110.6 dB
25 Hz 113.0 dB
31.5 Hz 114.9 dB
Low bass (40-63 Hz) average: 121.6 dB
40 Hz 119.8 dB
50 Hz 122.2 dB
63 Hz 122.5 dB
That's not even close to reality. I don't recall what the actual numbers look like, but that's just silly. It would take a 15"/18" driver in a much larger cabinet to reach those levels.
Here are some examples to use as a comparison.
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Hi,
You are absolutely right! The PB-1000 is a nice little sub, but it can't produce those numbers. That review has been quoted before, and it's almost impossible to know what the actual numbers would be, just based on what the reviewer says. Here is his description of his measurement methodology:
"Measurements were made at 3 meters and scaled up to represent the results at 1 meter."
If we assume that the measurements were made outdoors and away from any structures, then you could subtract -6dB from the measurements listed. But, the fact that he started at 3 meters might suggest that he measured indoors, and that would inflate the measurements. But, he also doesn't say whether he measured peak SPL's or RMS. The difference between peak SPL and RMS SPL is another -3dB.
Typically, if you were scaling a measurement to 1m, you would also be measuring peak SPL in order to conform to the original CEA-2010A spec. If he measured that way (outdoors), you could subtract -9dB from his measurements. As you know, all of the measurements on the page you cited were done outdoors, at 2m, and they were RMS measurements.
I really can't figure out exactly how he measured from his description. But, best case, you would subtract at least -6dB (and probably -9dB) from his numbers. Just for comparison, the newer 12" PB-1000 Pro measures 101.1dB at 20Hz. Based on that, I would guess that the PB-1000 would be around 100dB or a little less at 20Hz.
SVS PB-1000 Pro and SB-1000 Pro Subwoofers Conclusion | Audioholics
Regards,
Mike
He also states that he placed the mic right at the port and driver, so it is indeed really hard to tell what measurements it is that he’s documenting…but I’m confident that it isn’t from using the standard methods.Hi,
You are absolutely right! The PB-1000 is a nice little sub, but it can't produce those numbers. That review has been quoted before, and it's almost impossible to know what the actual numbers would be, just based on what the reviewer says. Here is his description of his measurement methodology:
"Measurements were made at 3 meters and scaled up to represent the results at 1 meter."
If we assume that the measurements were made outdoors and away from any structures, then you could subtract -6dB from the measurements listed. But, the fact that he started at 3 meters might suggest that he measured indoors, and that would inflate the measurements. But, he also doesn't say whether he measured peak SPL's or RMS. The difference between peak SPL and RMS SPL is another -3dB.
Typically, if you were scaling a measurement to 1m, you would also be measuring peak SPL in order to conform to the original CEA-2010A spec. If he measured that way (outdoors), you could subtract -9dB from his measurements. As you know, all of the measurements on the page you cited were done outdoors, at 2m, and they were RMS measurements.
I really can't figure out exactly how he measured from his description. But, best case, you would subtract at least -6dB (and probably -9dB) from his numbers. Just for comparison, the newer 12" PB-1000 Pro measures 101.1dB at 20Hz. Based on that, I would guess that the PB-1000 would be around 100dB or a little less at 20Hz.
SVS PB-1000 Pro and SB-1000 Pro Subwoofers Conclusion | Audioholics
Regards,
Mike
That said, from my brief experience on here, if it’s not from data-bass or audioholics it really isn’t trustworthy.
Hmm seems shady thats unfortunate
Hmm seems shady thats unfortunate
FWIW, I don't believe that the reviewer was trying to do anything deceptive. A lot of people initially used the CEA-2010A measurement system and some folks, such as HSU, still do. The 2m RMS system is thought to be closer to actual in-room performance though, so most outdoor measurements are done that way now. I do think, however, that the reviewer might have been a lot clearer about what he was actually doing.
If I wanted more low-frequency SPL, especially below 30Hz, I would get the PB-1000 Pro. The new version is a better subwoofer in all respects than the older one, and it's not a lot more expensive. For that matter, it's a little better performer than the SB-2000 Pro at virtually every frequency. I think it's a good buy at $600. You can compare the two subwoofers by frequency. Just use the sealed column for the sealed SB-2000 Pro, and the ported column for the ported PB-1000 Pro.
SVS PB-2000 Pro Subwoofer Conclusion | Audioholics
SVS PB-1000 Pro and SB-1000 Pro Subwoofers Conclusion | Audioholics
Regards,
Mike
Wrat -
Tell us about your room size, loudspeakers/electronics, what the system is used for (the mix of video/movies, music, gaming, etc.), how loud you like the play the system compared to what you would experience in a commercial cinema and how much slam/impact/pressure you want from the subwoofer on action/sci-fi content.
The PB-1000 will have more output than the SB-2000 Pro in the 18-36 Hz octave. And the SB-2000 Pro will turn the tables and have more output in the 40-80 Hz octave, in addition to having a tighter and punchier delivery. It's also considerably smaller and easier to fit into the decor.
Tell us about your room size, loudspeakers/electronics, what the system is used for (the mix of video/movies, music, gaming, etc.), how loud you like the play the system compared to what you would experience in a commercial cinema and how much slam/impact/pressure you want from the subwoofer on action/sci-fi content.
The PB-1000 will have more output than the SB-2000 Pro in the 18-36 Hz octave. And the SB-2000 Pro will turn the tables and have more output in the 40-80 Hz octave, in addition to having a tighter and punchier delivery. It's also considerably smaller and easier to fit into the decor.
this was quite helpful actually as I was looking for more output in the 20-40 hz range as my mains are -3db @ 34 soWrat -
The PB-1000 will have more output than the SB-2000 Pro in the 18-36 Hz octave. And the SB-2000 Pro will turn the tables and have more output in the 40-80 Hz octave, in addition to having a tighter and punchier delivery. It's also considerably smaller and easier to fit into the decor.
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