SVS SB12-Plus best sub for music?

I can't really speak first hand for the competition, but the SB12+ is super for music and it's features and build quality are top-notch.


One possible competitor at a similar price might be the ACI Force XL. The ACIs are reputed to be excellent for music.

I do have a variety of SVS subs including SB12+, PB12+/2 & PC+ 25-31. SB12+ delivers a tight bass, which i prefer over others for Music

I have a PB12-Plus, and a SB12-Plus. In my ears the SB12 is a just as good music sub as its bigger brother 99% of the time. The exception is songs with high levels of infrasonics were the PB12 can pressurize the room very convinsingly.


An example of this is "Enya - The Longships". On the other hand, the room compensation control on the SB12 is a great tool for dialing in just the type of bass you want, and if you are not interested in infrasonics they can be removed easily.

Hood7: when it comes to movies, you miss lower extensions on SB12+.


In my case, SB12+ goes down to 24hz and PC+ down to 16hz and that makes a huge difference in movies. I've tested several moves including War of the worlds, lord of the rings etc on both the sub where PC+ outperforms SB12+


PC+ does not deliver tight bass (35hz-60hz) as SB12+ for musc

Thanks Suniil. Do you use the tuning plugs to get your PC+ down to 16hz, or does it reach down there somewhat with its stock tuning?


I'm thinking I'll be happy with the PC+, since I'll use it more for movies than music.



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PC+ does not deliver tight bass (35hz-60hz) as SB12+ for musc

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Sorry but I don't agree. I have owned both and they both sound really tight. It's just that PC+ has a more boost down low (natural frequency response rises towards low frequencies), so if you don't EQ it, it will sound more bottom heavy i.e. not as tight. A small low frequency cut will make it sound as tight as the SB12-Plus.



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Sorry but I don't agree. I have owned both and they both sound really tight. It's just that PC+ has a more boost down low (natural frequency response rises towards low frequencies), so if you don't EQ it, it will sound more bottom heavy i.e. not as tight. A small low frequency cut will make it sound as tight as the SB12-Plus.

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Ditto, if you don't spend the time properly integrate your sub, then anything will sound bad.



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Thanks Suniil. Do you use the tuning plugs to get your PC+ down to 16hz, or does it reach down there somewhat with its stock tuning?


I'm thinking I'll be happy with the PC+, since I'll use it more for movies than music.

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If you don't use the plugs, you will damage the sub.



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If you don't use the plugs, you will damage the sub.

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Sorry, Rockemsockem, but I think you may be giving out some bad info here. There is no reason that not using port plugs will damage that sub as long as the amp settings properly match the tuning. With no port pugs, it is the stock tuning.

I think you misunderstood me. If you turn the filter to 16 Hz, and don't insert the corresponding number of plugs, you can damage the sub from my understanding.


Maybe Ed will see this and give us the right answer.

I may have misunderstood you. I was unaware we were talking about the filter being set at 16hz. I thought Hood7 was asking if the sub still had any significant output in the 16hz range in it's natural tune. It might depending on room gain even with the filter properly set.

Yeah, sorry if I was unclear. I'm really wondering if people are actually using the plugs (along with the dial) to tune down to 20 or 16hz, or if they're satisfied with the PC+25-31's performance on movies in its stock 25hz setting (which I expect still plays some lower frequency sound).

you definitely have to tune to 16hz to get lower extensions (with all ports open / knob to 16hz).


currently i'm running PC+ & SB12 simultaneously Eq'd using left and right channels of BFD FBQ2496, calibrated with REW.



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you definitely have to tune to 16hz to get lower extensions (with all ports open / knob to 16hz).


currently i'm running PC+ & SB12 simultaneously Eq'd using left and right channels of BFD FBQ2496, calibrated with REW.

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If you have all ports open, you're not in 16Hz tune.

Very interesting. Looks like you could make an argument that the PC+25-31 is a better sub with one port blocked/tuned to 20hz than it is in stock tuning. The only downside I see on the curves (and I'm far from being tech-savvy enough to totally comprehend them) is that you lose a couple decibels from the top. But that's fine with me, as the PC+ should still be plenty powerful enough for my 2000 cu.ft. room.


Sorry my PC+ questions have sorta hijacked this thread. But I do appreciate the great info!

It's all so darn confusing!