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SXRD and PS3 True HD 1080p Capability

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Here's another brilliant Sony interview for orphaned SXRD owners:


"Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios president Phil Harrison has claimed that Microsoft's Xbox 360 "doesn't have true HD functionality," saying that consumers seeking a HD experience will have to wait for the PS3 to arrive.


Speaking exclusively to GamesIndustry.biz this week, in an interview to be published tomorrow, Harrison described the Xbox 360 as "a lot better than their [Microsoft's] first introduction to the console business," but questioned the console's claim to being a High Definition device.


"The true definition of HD is the three elements of the HD value chain - the display, the content and the hardware to play back that content," he explained, "and PlayStation and Sony is the only organisation that has all three bits of the value chain together."


"As you well know," he continued, "the Xbox 360 doesn't play high definition movies and doesn't have true HD functionality - PlayStation 3 is the only format :) that has 1080-progressive, which is the true definition of HD, so it's really premature to be talking about the HD era."


"The HD era really only starts when we :) are on the market," he concluded.


Harrison's comments refer to the fact that the PlayStation 3 is the only next-gen console which will support the top end of the HD standard, the 1080p resolution, and also the only device which will be able to play high definition movie content, thanks to its support for Blu-Ray discs.


"High definition as far as the consumer is concerned means high definition movies, which means Blu-Ray disc, and that is the reason that people will buy high definition displays coupled with a player that is capable of playing movies and games - which is obviously PlayStation 3," he claimed."

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62137
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I can't say I see how that article applies to the SXRD...
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I can't say I see how that article applies to the SXRD...
The irony is that Sony's PS3 will generate real, true 1080p signals that their current "SOTA" SXRD display cannot accept. This Sony executive thinks he is attacking only Microsofts Xbox 360, but he is unwittingly attacking other deficient Sony display products, namely SXRD. Sony does NOT currently have all three parts of the puzzle, as he claims.

This stupidity is very funny if you are not an SXRD owner.:)
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The irony is that Sony's PS3 will generate real, true 1080p signals that their current "SOTA" SXRD display cannot accept. This Sony executive thinks he is attacking only Microsofts Xbox 360, but he is unwittingly attacking other deficient Sony display products, namely SXRD. Sony does NOT currently have all three parts of the puzzle, as he claims.

This stupidity is very funny if you are not an SXRD owner.:)
I just hate the marketing words, like True HD?? Full HD?? Ultra HD?? The GP usually falls for it cause they don't know squat about HD.. HD is 720p/1080i/1080p Unless 720p/1080i is partial HD?? If thats the case I'm upset that My Sony A10 isn't 'true' HD & will sue them for claiming my 720p is HD.. :D
Sony Ruby will be able to accept a 1080p PS3 source fine and Ruby is SXRD, last time I checked....


Also, dont be shocked to see a line of SXRD RPTVs at CES that can indeed accept 1080p via HDMI...


We already know the 2006 Samsung 1080p DLPs will accept 1080p over HDMI so Sony has to keep up with the joneses, especially because they will have one of the most popular products that can be a 1080p source (PLAYSTATION 3)
Marketing guys are a hoot. Just for the record,


1080i = true HD

720p = true HD

1080p = true HD


The XBOX 360 does output HD games in an HD format. Furthermore, all games on the 360 require HD resolution support. As of today, it is still unclear how many of the PS3 games will support 720p or 1080i, let alone 1080p.


Sony's strategy with the PS3 right now is a simple (and very common) one: They are trying to keep everyone from buying an XBOX360 until they can get to market. Anything that Sony says about XBOX360 has that solitary goal right now. All is fair in love and war, I guess.


As far as the SXRD goes, it certainly does support "true" HD.


Of course, there is a discrepancy between the 1080p output offered by PS3 and the 1080i max input supported by the SXRD, but that's been well documented, on perhaps three million threads (no exaggeration -- okay, maybe a little) around here. We certainly don't need another thread to talk about it again. Let's just revive one of the old tired ass threads if we're going to have this talk again.


P.S.


EDIT: The below santized for the sake of civility. Plus, it's a joke.

Only my TV supports "true" HD. All of your TVs support "lame" HD. :D
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Marketing guys are a hoot. Just for the record...Only my TV supports "true" HD. All of your TVs support "gay" HD.
Let's stay on topic here. That statement belongs in the "Let's argue..." thread! :cool:
Sony tooting it's own horn again...imagine that!?!
It has been postulated the SXRD's can accept 1080p -- via firewire. :) So, if the PS3 outputs 1080p through firewire, I guess all three elements are covered. :D
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Let's stay on topic here. That statement belongs in the "Let's argue..." thread! :cool:
I love your choice of emoticon.
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Marketing guys are a hoot.

Sony's strategy with the PS3 right now is a simple (and very common) one: They are trying to keep everyone from buying an XBOX360 until they can get to market. :D
Seems to me Microsoft is doing their best to help Sony along, as no one can get a 360 anyway!! :D


Also, my dealer told me that there might be a future 1080P modification or software upgrade for the SXRD RPTVs. I dunno if that's just spin, but really it doesn't particularly matter to me. 1080i or 720P upconverted by the Sony to a displayed 1080P is stunning.
Sony's SXRD 1080i de-interlacing is top of the line for 2005. I' not sure if there is any other TV or combination of video components using RPTV technoogy that beats the picture quality, resolution wise, in the same price range.


You do miss the ability to hook up a 1080p game system or an external scaler with "better" 1080i de-interlacing (the only consumer contact with 1080p these days). Still I feel the SXRD is one of the few cases where you can buy a 1080p TV without 1080p input and probably not regret it.


>>> true (HDTV or whatever) IMHO

A TV with a 1080p display but no 1080p input is 1080p capable but does not support 1080p sources.


Video hints:
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Just a heads up, I recently posted a thread regarding Sony's implied plans for 1080p input in their upcoming displays and the utilization of the CELL processor as the means to that end. Here's the thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=618385


Otherwise, after sampling nearly all of the HDTV's currently on the market I continually am drawn back to the SXRD as my favorite for picture depth, color fidelity, and spot-on black level, even if it's not sourcing via 1080p.


-Jeremy
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Just a heads up, I recently posted a thread regarding Sony's implied plans for 1080p input in their upcoming displays and the utilization of the CELL processor as the means to that end. Here's the thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=618385


Otherwise, after sampling nearly all of the HDTV's currently on the market I continually am drawn back to the SXRD as my favorite for picture depth, color fidelity, and spot-on black level, even if it's not sourcing via 1080p.


-Jeremy
The samples I've seen suffer from substantial amounts of over color saturation, soft focus and mis-convergence. I also connected a laptop to two samples (using the VGA port) at 1280*1024 60Hz resolution and found the text quality to be mediocre at best. Otherwise, I agree with you.:)
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Otherwise, after sampling nearly all of the HDTV's currently on the market I continually am drawn back to the SXRD as my favorite for picture depth, color fidelity, and spot-on black level, even if it's not sourcing via 1080p.


-Jeremy[/quote]


Can you name some of the HDTV's you sampled. Please explain what test procedures you to properly evaluated the displays you sampled. Also, what test instruments, as well as source materials and devices you used in your evaluations. Also, please explain what you mean by color fidelity, depth and spot-on black level.


Thank you
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I love your choice of emoticon.
We aim to please! ;)
I have a 60" SXRD RPTV at home and the HD picture is really outstanding (except for a slight greenish discoloration in part of the screen). I frankly doubt that at a reasonable viewing distance there would be any observable difference between 1080i converted to 1080p in the set, versus 1080p native. As long as PS3 can output 1080i along with 1080p (which I am sure it will) I think we will all be just fine.


The SXRD projector is another story, as on bigger screens the differnec might be observable, but, as someone noted, the VW100 will take in 1080p.


Simon
I have a sony sxrd and I don't know much about tv's, but I don't understand why they made such a high resolution "1080p" for the tv that can't except the signal? Is there any benefit from having that extra resolution in the set and if so do mind giving me a example. Also how does sony get away with advertising it 1080P when you can't even display it?
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Otherwise, after sampling nearly all of the HDTV's currently on the market I continually am drawn back to the SXRD as my favorite for picture depth, color fidelity, and spot-on black level, even if it's not sourcing via 1080p.


-Jeremy
Can you name some of the HDTV's you sampled. Please explain what test procedures you to properly evaluated the displays you sampled. Also, what test instruments, as well as source materials and devices you used in your evaluations. Also, please explain what you mean by color fidelity, depth and spot-on black level.


Thank you


My Eyes
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I have a sony sxrd and I don't know much about tv's, but I don't understand why they made such a high resolution "1080p" for the tv that can't except the signal? Is there any benefit from having that extra resolution in the set and if so do mind giving me a example. Also how does sony get away with advertising it 1080P when you can't even display it?
A couple of points:


1) This set does display 1080p. The resolution of the panel is 1080p, and that is its only display resolution.


2) If you feed the set 1080i film-based material, it will deinterlace it (with 3:2 pulldown) and display it as "true" 1080p. The quality of the video processor here is very good.


3) The big downside that some people (including myself) complain about is the fact that the lack of 1080p inputs means that we can never upgrade our video processor for HD content and that we cannot accept any native 1080p sources. But I want to make it clear that this set does, in fact, display true 1080p content, especially on the relatively simple-to-deinterlace 1080i film-based content.
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