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I've expressed what I've done. And although your description sounds impressive, I'm trying to figure out what any of what you listed has to do with the subject at hand. Do you listen to MRI units and and electron microscopes? Don't attempt to impress the uninitiated with specious arguments.
For the record, I was going to say "fooking" which is pretty tame. Nice try though.
Yup. Requires imagination, appreciation for aesthetics, and respect for human achievement. It also requires respect for an individual's perception of the world through his senses. For some reason, I doubt you even appreciate art. Evidence is the fact that you like to measure equipment vs listening to the media pouring through it.
This isn't about me. This statement is about what science thinks they have nailed down, but there is much to be learned.
I think your own personal journey should lead you to eventually understanding that sig. Will definitely be hard for an atheist.
I've expressed what I've done. And although your description sounds impressive, I'm trying to figure out what any of what you listed has to do with the subject at hand. Do you listen to MRI units and and electron microscopes? Don't attempt to impress the uninitiated with specious arguments.
For the record, I was going to say "fooking" which is pretty tame. Nice try though.
Yup. Requires imagination, appreciation for aesthetics, and respect for human achievement. It also requires respect for an individual's perception of the world through his senses. For some reason, I doubt you even appreciate art. Evidence is the fact that you like to measure equipment vs listening to the media pouring through it.
This isn't about me. This statement is about what science thinks they have nailed down, but there is much to be learned.
I think your own personal journey should lead you to eventually understanding that sig. Will definitely be hard for an atheist.
No, you've made vague claims at having done some blind testing of some ill defined form in the distant past and having now moved beyond it in some mysterious, undefined way.
Well, at least you admit that you are not familiar with what any of this has to do anything.... You may want to catch up on the current state of the art in audio research. There are at least two important things that have become possible in the last 10 to 5 or so years (briefly):
1) fMRI analysis of brain activation in response to stimuli; as in knowing whether the brain actually responds to a particular audio signal or not. Along with that, we can also watch other portions of the brain activate when the subject is told that a certain stimuli is present, but not (for example, a cable that is supposed to make a difference, but doesn't.) Of particular relevance is the fact that when the subject is told to listen for the inaudible, no signal is detected. When the subject is told a signal is present, but there is not, portions of the brain, unconnected to audio processing kick in.
2) understanding at the molecular level how the ear processes audio signals. We now know from studying things like ion activation channels and protein pathways what the upper and lower limits are on the mechanical and electrical capabilities of the ear, including not only frequency response, but phase response and impulse response. We are also understand some of the genomics that governs these limits.
MRI units, in part, make the 1st possible. Mass spec and electron microscopes etc. make the 2nd possible.
Edit: and I really hope I don't have to explain the relevance of a semi anechoic testing chamber?
No, you've made vague claims at having done some blind testing of some ill defined form in the distant past and having now moved beyond it in some mysterious, undefined way.
Well, at least you admit that you are not familiar with what any of this has to do anything.... You may want to catch up on the current state of the art in audio research. There are at least two important things that have become possible in the last 10 to 5 or so years (briefly):
1) fMRI analysis of brain activation in response to stimuli; as in knowing whether the brain actually responds to a particular audio signal or not. Along with that, we can also watch other portions of the brain activate when the subject is told that a certain stimuli is present, but not (for example, a cable that is supposed to make a difference, but doesn't.) Of particular relevance is the fact that when the subject is told to listen for the inaudible, no signal is detected. When the subject is told a signal is present, but there is not, portions of the brain, unconnected to audio processing kick in.
2) understanding at the molecular level how the ear processes audio signals. We now know from studying things like ion activation channels and protein pathways what the upper and lower limits are on the mechanical and electrical capabilities of the ear, including not only frequency response, but phase response and impulse response. We are also understand some of the genomics that governs these limits.
MRI units, in part, make the 1st possible. Mass spec and electron microscopes etc. make the 2nd possible.
Edit: and I really hope I don't have to explain the relevance of a semi anechoic testing chamber?
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I'm not sure this thread ever was on topic. But I'll try:
http://www.synergisticresearch.com/a...ace-grounding/
Looks good, apparently makes an improvement, and customers seem to like them whether or not they actually paid for them. Now, let's have all the debunkers parachute in and fire away since there's no DBT to provide as evidence...
I'm not sure this thread ever was on topic. But I'll try:
http://www.synergisticresearch.com/a...ace-grounding/
Looks good, apparently makes an improvement, and customers seem to like them whether or not they actually paid for them. Now, let's have all the debunkers parachute in and fire away since there's no DBT to provide as evidence...
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I don't waste my time "debunking" homeopathy claims, bigfoot claims, alien abduction claims or 9/11 conspiracy theory claims and I won't waste my time on this claim either as it provides as much evidence for it's claim as the others. You can't debate with believers.
I don't waste my time "debunking" homeopathy claims, bigfoot claims, alien abduction claims or 9/11 conspiracy theory claims and I won't waste my time on this claim either as it provides as much evidence for it's claim as the others. You can't debate with believers.
Wrongo, Penn. Mr. JibJab certainly IS a believer, in himself and his observations in real life scenarios, not relying on the dogmatic rantings of some posters.
Hmmm, self reliant, not bowing at the altar of the "enlightened DBT'ers", thinking for himself and ascertaining his own conclusions.......? Yes, a very frightening scenario for some on this board.
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JP isn't a believer. According to his post he is completely neutral so obviously he agrees with you as much as he agrees with that link.![]()
Wrongo, Penn. Mr. JibJab certainly IS a believer, in himself and his observations in real life scenarios, not relying on the dogmatic rantings of some posters.
Hmmm, self reliant, not bowing at the altar of the "enlightened DBT'ers", thinking for himself and ascertaining his own conclusions.......? Yes, a very frightening scenario for some on this board.
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Or curmudgeons.
Right. So nothing to do with audio. That is something that we cannot forget; no matter how tangentially the equipment you deal with might have something to do with audio at some level, the fact is between the two of us, I'm the only one that's dealt with the gear at all levels. This doesn't include years of training in the installation and application of the equipment, calibration of audio and video, and a host of either things you like to read about and pontificate over.
Let's not cloud the issue. You may have some knowledge about audio - there's no point debating that. Compared to an industry veteran that's done far more than sales in the past, you can't really argue with me too much and be taken seriously.
Back to your white papers.
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Correct, but it might be shocking for these same people to understand that in addition to my observations and experience, I fully believe in the science. My problem is that much of science doesn't take into consideration anything until it's beating them over their heads - then they lay claim to the discovery. It's a fascinating discourse in achievement through hindsight. I simply think there's plenty to ascertain and investigate, and while that embraces the world of possibility, so did much of the science we now take for granted. These closed-minded fellows will never get it.
Or curmudgeons.
Right. So nothing to do with audio. That is something that we cannot forget; no matter how tangentially the equipment you deal with might have something to do with audio at some level, the fact is between the two of us, I'm the only one that's dealt with the gear at all levels. This doesn't include years of training in the installation and application of the equipment, calibration of audio and video, and a host of either things you like to read about and pontificate over.
Let's not cloud the issue. You may have some knowledge about audio - there's no point debating that. Compared to an industry veteran that's done far more than sales in the past, you can't really argue with me too much and be taken seriously.
Back to your white papers.
Correct, but it might be shocking for these same people to understand that in addition to my observations and experience, I fully believe in the science. My problem is that much of science doesn't take into consideration anything until it's beating them over their heads - then they lay claim to the discovery. It's a fascinating discourse in achievement through hindsight. I simply think there's plenty to ascertain and investigate, and while that embraces the world of possibility, so did much of the science we now take for granted. These closed-minded fellows will never get it.
Say what? This is from the person who doesn't even know what equipment is used to measure the human ability to respond to audio signals? Man you are an expert at taking a single post, making massive assumptions and coming to inane conclusions.
Among other things, in the past, I've worked both sides of the sound board, and hung out with some of the most respected people in the industry (some of whom are also members here on AVS). However, all that aside, tell us, exactly what are your credentials? I know you've been asked for them before, perhaps I missed it but I haven't seen anything specific? Other than arrogantly telling us how wonderful you are, please provide some actual evidence that you know even a smidgen about audio. Anything will do, just give us a crumb.
All chest thumping aside, you're right about one thing, I can't argue with you; you haven't posted any rational statements to argue about. To date you have not managed to discuss any single aspect of audio. Rather, your sole contribution here is to denigrate anyone who has any perspective other than you own. You've never discussed any of the technical points I or anyone else has made in this thread, instead whenever you are confronted with anything that confounds your narrow world view you resort to name calling and innuendo.
I have no idea if you realize how you come across here, but I'd suggest you get your wife or a friend to read some of your posts before you post them from now on. You sound horribly bitter at the world and really you are not doing yourself any favors with your attitude towards the rest of the membership here on AVS. I promised myself I would no longer feed the trolls, but I had some hope that just maybe there was a slight chance you were here for something other than stroking your own ego. Apparently I was wrong.
Say what? This is from the person who doesn't even know what equipment is used to measure the human ability to respond to audio signals? Man you are an expert at taking a single post, making massive assumptions and coming to inane conclusions.
Among other things, in the past, I've worked both sides of the sound board, and hung out with some of the most respected people in the industry (some of whom are also members here on AVS). However, all that aside, tell us, exactly what are your credentials? I know you've been asked for them before, perhaps I missed it but I haven't seen anything specific? Other than arrogantly telling us how wonderful you are, please provide some actual evidence that you know even a smidgen about audio. Anything will do, just give us a crumb.
All chest thumping aside, you're right about one thing, I can't argue with you; you haven't posted any rational statements to argue about. To date you have not managed to discuss any single aspect of audio. Rather, your sole contribution here is to denigrate anyone who has any perspective other than you own. You've never discussed any of the technical points I or anyone else has made in this thread, instead whenever you are confronted with anything that confounds your narrow world view you resort to name calling and innuendo.
I have no idea if you realize how you come across here, but I'd suggest you get your wife or a friend to read some of your posts before you post them from now on. You sound horribly bitter at the world and really you are not doing yourself any favors with your attitude towards the rest of the membership here on AVS. I promised myself I would no longer feed the trolls, but I had some hope that just maybe there was a slight chance you were here for something other than stroking your own ego. Apparently I was wrong.
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