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I am thoroughly surprised there is NO dedicated forum for cables!
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So it seems this must be the best place to talk about my personal favorite cable company, TARA Labs!
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TARA Labs offers some of the best cables out there providing true technology instead of snake oil... A.K.A- fake technology, i am not going to sit here and bash other cable it opens up a can of worms especially in AVS
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but i will say TARA is some of the most transparent i have ever used for the money
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i do agree blackhole
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OK, OK, so I use solid copper with 99% braid, usually Belden. Not the steel core or the garbage sold at the corner store. You know, the big red "R"
I cut them to the exact short length and solder on decent RCA's.
I repeat my offer. I am not using them. (too long) I give them credit as for all of the "exotic" cables out there, the Tara did not screw anything up even if they have arrows on them. It was amazing how well salesmen can convince people that because they hear a difference, it is better.
MC, I would not take you up, we can bet on it.
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I cut them to the exact short length and solder on decent RCA's.
I repeat my offer. I am not using them. (too long) I give them credit as for all of the "exotic" cables out there, the Tara did not screw anything up even if they have arrows on them. It was amazing how well salesmen can convince people that because they hear a difference, it is better.
MC, I would not take you up, we can bet on it.
I thoroughly enjoyed your discourse about your favorite cable company. Do you recall what happened after they were busted by the Feds for ripping the Made in China tags off the cables they were getting? I tried contacting one of the reporters out there but never received a reply.
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I am thoroughly surprised there is NO dedicated forum for cables!So it seems this must be the best place to talk about my personal favorite cable company, TARA Labs!![]()
I thoroughly enjoyed your discourse about your favorite cable company. Do you recall what happened after they were busted by the Feds for ripping the Made in China tags off the cables they were getting? I tried contacting one of the reporters out there but never received a reply.
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The only reason this forum is here is for people who like these cables to share their thoughts on the various lines, Vector, Air, ISM. Not to compare technologies, or put people into a situation were they have to describe why their "scientific" information is more accurate than the other cables. The RSC cables (made domestically) happen to make my listening experience better, and more enduring, therefore, my favorite cable company.
Do you think that wrong labeling on the cheaper (non RSC) cables that were made in China some how discredits the technology? My senses tell me different, but its a matter of a personal opinion. Maybe you could fill me in with what happened after the FEDs?
For those that have heard, what do you think about RSC Prime AC?
The only reason this forum is here is for people who like these cables to share their thoughts on the various lines, Vector, Air, ISM. Not to compare technologies, or put people into a situation were they have to describe why their "scientific" information is more accurate than the other cables. The RSC cables (made domestically) happen to make my listening experience better, and more enduring, therefore, my favorite cable company.
Do you think that wrong labeling on the cheaper (non RSC) cables that were made in China some how discredits the technology? My senses tell me different, but its a matter of a personal opinion. Maybe you could fill me in with what happened after the FEDs?
For those that have heard, what do you think about RSC Prime AC?
You haven't shared any thoughts yet and FWIW, I don't see anything particularly novel regarding their technology. Also, as I already said, I contacted a reporter who wrote about the Fed bust in Oregon but did not receive a reply. I would think they paid a nominal fine and promised not to do it again.
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Well to start off, without bashing other cables, or comparing technologies, when I first heard these cables, I was very impressed by the bass translation, mids, highs, and astounding transparency. It was like I was no longer "listening" to music, I was a part of the music. It is no passive experience to have TARA in a signal chain, rather I find myself following every nuance of musical information. Natural harmonics are something I prefer to a cable that alters the sound, like distortion caused by impure copper, or not putting thought and exploration into cable design. I'm excited that at least TARA decided to do something totally different, like rectangular solid cores, and vacuums. The sound is natural, beautiful, and can be paired with any amp and speaker to improve the sound of any piece of equipment!
Bottom line, openness transparency, and not interfering with the integrity of the musical intent, these cables are all I will use. I am always open to listening to other cables though.
By the way Chu Gai, technology aside, have you heard TARA Labs cables in a system? If so with what speakers/amp/phono/preamp etc? (Prism and Spectrum lines don't count)
Bottom line, openness transparency, and not interfering with the integrity of the musical intent, these cables are all I will use. I am always open to listening to other cables though.
By the way Chu Gai, technology aside, have you heard TARA Labs cables in a system? If so with what speakers/amp/phono/preamp etc? (Prism and Spectrum lines don't count)
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Prism and spectrum extruded round. The audiophile cables RSC (rectangular solid core) are what make the difference. If the copper is not extruded using this special technique (like prism and spectrum lines) the cable does not sound as good.
Don't dismiss it until you hear it.
Don't dismiss it until you hear it.
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The message I'm conveying is that this is a high end cable company. Some(most?) 'high end' cable companies use OF8N (99.999999%) copper. Maybe it does not provide a superior signal simply from material content, but it definitely conveys the message "we care about our image."
With all the varying opinions out there about cables, a cable company has to keep an image, otherwise, customers may become dismissive, because "that is the copper eveyone else uses, therefore why would I pay X dollars for that!?" "Why would I spend more money for less pure copper, when I can get purer copper for less money?" It simply looks better
http://www.taralabs.com/images/proprietarytech.pdf
Essentially as I understand it, the purer the element, the more likely it will bond together, therefore creating an unbroken solid link through the wire. The theory is, this creates better frequency translation across the frequency spectrum.
There are other technologies that go into the cable, so maybe this is not what makes it superior. It is your call after you hear RSC level TARA.
Distortion, was the wrong word, *diminished frequency coherency* is more accurate.
Everyone has their own opinion I respect that.
Agree to Disagree?
The message I'm conveying is that this is a high end cable company. Some(most?) 'high end' cable companies use OF8N (99.999999%) copper. Maybe it does not provide a superior signal simply from material content, but it definitely conveys the message "we care about our image."
With all the varying opinions out there about cables, a cable company has to keep an image, otherwise, customers may become dismissive, because "that is the copper eveyone else uses, therefore why would I pay X dollars for that!?" "Why would I spend more money for less pure copper, when I can get purer copper for less money?" It simply looks better
http://www.taralabs.com/images/proprietarytech.pdf
Essentially as I understand it, the purer the element, the more likely it will bond together, therefore creating an unbroken solid link through the wire. The theory is, this creates better frequency translation across the frequency spectrum.
There are other technologies that go into the cable, so maybe this is not what makes it superior. It is your call after you hear RSC level TARA.
Distortion, was the wrong word, *diminished frequency coherency* is more accurate.
Everyone has their own opinion I respect that.
Agree to Disagree?
As a TARA dealer i will pipe up just for this... Prism and Spectrum are now out of the picture because they want all cables made in the USA. Prism and Spectrum were their only cables made over seas and thus they now have more control over the quality and NEW products because of this. You will be seeing new ISM, and AIR lines coming soon.
As a TARA dealer i will pipe up just for this... Prism and Spectrum are now out of the picture because they want all cables made in the USA. Prism and Spectrum were their only cables made over seas and thus they now have more control over the quality and NEW products because of this. You will be seeing new ISM, and AIR lines coming soon.
To go along with blackhole's point i was a dealer for another cable company for quite some time... and we were told shunned from looking at the innards of their cables and what was in the guts of their stuff... i sold it cause i believed it.
I am more careful now i want to know what is in it WHAT IT DOES and what it sounds so good and who they are about. TARA admits the about the FED deal, hence why Prism and Spectrum are going away... they want to be the TARA of old
TARA has won the "golden ear" award upteen million times
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I am more careful now i want to know what is in it WHAT IT DOES and what it sounds so good and who they are about. TARA admits the about the FED deal, hence why Prism and Spectrum are going away... they want to be the TARA of old
TARA has won the "golden ear" award upteen million times
It's highly unlikely the copper is that many 'nines'. Even 4-9's is incredibly expensive and must be handled under special conditions such as an inert atmosphere or vacuum in order to maintain such purity. The thing is, vendors can say just about anything they want because who is there to check on the claim? No one is going to buy their cables and submit them to a bona fide testing laboratory for independent confirmation. They sure won't. I agree that image is important regardless of the product. Many images are crafted by clever marketing and advertising though. It's not like the audio review business is overly concerned with accuracy.
A cable company needs a hook. Something unique that distinguishes them from everybody else. It doesn't matter that the unique may be irrelevent or even wrong. It's like oxygenated water.
I'd run that past a person with an advanced degree in EE, Solid State Chemistry or something like that. The ability for wire to transmit frequencies from the amp to the speaker are dominated by Resistance, Capacitance, and Inductance. For short lengths and virtually all scenarios, you can get away with just about anything. I have a paper on Loudspeaker and Amp interactions that talks a bit about wire and how these properties can affect matters. PM me with a valid email address and I'll send you a copy.
There are other fields of science that deal with incredibly fragile signals - Seismic studies, electrochemical detection of compounds at the femtogram or lower levels in chemistry, electrical activity at the cellular level, etc. Ask yourself, why has there been no market penetration whatsoever by the cable companies? It's not money for sure because scientists will spend what they have to in order to push detection limits.
Sounds like a made up term there.
Sure. I won't have anything further to add.
It's highly unlikely the copper is that many 'nines'. Even 4-9's is incredibly expensive and must be handled under special conditions such as an inert atmosphere or vacuum in order to maintain such purity. The thing is, vendors can say just about anything they want because who is there to check on the claim? No one is going to buy their cables and submit them to a bona fide testing laboratory for independent confirmation. They sure won't. I agree that image is important regardless of the product. Many images are crafted by clever marketing and advertising though. It's not like the audio review business is overly concerned with accuracy.
A cable company needs a hook. Something unique that distinguishes them from everybody else. It doesn't matter that the unique may be irrelevent or even wrong. It's like oxygenated water.
I'd run that past a person with an advanced degree in EE, Solid State Chemistry or something like that. The ability for wire to transmit frequencies from the amp to the speaker are dominated by Resistance, Capacitance, and Inductance. For short lengths and virtually all scenarios, you can get away with just about anything. I have a paper on Loudspeaker and Amp interactions that talks a bit about wire and how these properties can affect matters. PM me with a valid email address and I'll send you a copy.
There are other fields of science that deal with incredibly fragile signals - Seismic studies, electrochemical detection of compounds at the femtogram or lower levels in chemistry, electrical activity at the cellular level, etc. Ask yourself, why has there been no market penetration whatsoever by the cable companies? It's not money for sure because scientists will spend what they have to in order to push detection limits.
Sounds like a made up term there.
Sure. I won't have anything further to add.
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I agree with that. I'm not ignorant.
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You and I do have a common ground. I do agree that copper purity is the least important factor(99.9% and above). Though a factor.
Example? OFC is used in the brookhaven national laboraty collider for the supper conducting electromagnets (50 tons OFC).
As well CERN, a newer collider, relies on OFC to prevent interference with their experiments.
http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/AccelCo...C1993_3903.PDF
The CERN people (which probably have a library of degrees) claim OFC has a "high conductivity."
As well, OFC is used in eletrodes.
http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/AccelCo...PERS/TUP01.PDF
In conclusion, my passing words about OF8N, OFC, or whatever grade copper, was an example (even if small), not the defining factor.
The main thing is all of us need to be aware of the 99.999999% (pun?)fake "technology" for cables.
Now please, do not try to pick me apart, arguements solve nothing. I thought I could share positive thoughts about some good sounding cables, unfortunately, I was wrong. However I do not mind defending my own ears in the face of scientific knowledge.
The fact is, no matter if measuring something with scientific knowledge, there is only one thing that you can trust.
YOUR OWN EARS. PERIOD
I agree with that. I'm not ignorant.
You and I do have a common ground. I do agree that copper purity is the least important factor(99.9% and above). Though a factor.
Example? OFC is used in the brookhaven national laboraty collider for the supper conducting electromagnets (50 tons OFC).
As well CERN, a newer collider, relies on OFC to prevent interference with their experiments.
http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/AccelCo...C1993_3903.PDF
The CERN people (which probably have a library of degrees) claim OFC has a "high conductivity."
As well, OFC is used in eletrodes.
http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/AccelCo...PERS/TUP01.PDF
In conclusion, my passing words about OF8N, OFC, or whatever grade copper, was an example (even if small), not the defining factor.
The main thing is all of us need to be aware of the 99.999999% (pun?)fake "technology" for cables.
Now please, do not try to pick me apart, arguements solve nothing. I thought I could share positive thoughts about some good sounding cables, unfortunately, I was wrong. However I do not mind defending my own ears in the face of scientific knowledge.
The fact is, no matter if measuring something with scientific knowledge, there is only one thing that you can trust.
YOUR OWN EARS. PERIOD
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8 ft? (800 ft. would be a different story) Very very very small diffrenece in resistance........ ......again material is the least important in itself. Though combined with other technologies it makes a difference to my ears. Listen with a fmiliar speaker/amp sometime, if nothing else you can say I know little about audio.
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