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Lore and Tom,

Thank you for the insightful review! I am going to order an HD-XA2 tomorrow. I was already happy with my HD-XA1 but this thing sounds fantastic! I concur with your idea about someone releasing a Reon VX processor. It would be great, as noted, for DirecTV and other stuff.
 

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So, a $1k piece of equipment beat out a $5k piece, yet you out of hand dismiss the Oppo? Would I be correct in assuming that you have not seen the Oppo HD-980 in action as yet?

Jeez...what is with all the Oppo freaks around here. It is a great upconverting DVD player for sure, but it is not in the same league as the XA2 or the Crystallio II. Why doesn't one of you 980 owners offer to lend it to the OP so he can test it? I assure you it score one point lower in almost every category.
 

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You've sold me. Looks like I'll be buying an HD-XA2 mainly for use as an upscaling SD player (I was considering the $1,500. Denon 3930) and for use secondly ...as an HD-DVD player.
 

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How much of a difference is the xa2 to the xa1, could I visibly notice a difference without running tests?

Yes, has anyone compared the gen1 units yet? The SD playback on my A1 is bafflingly good.


I don't know how they do it.
 

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How much of a difference is the xa2 to the xa1, could I visibly notice a difference without running tests?

There would be a significant difference because the A1 doesn't have the ReonVX processor.
 

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Great work, lorelevitt; and thanks! This erases any lingering misgivings I had about having returned an XA1 for a pre-order on the XA2. I hope you'll follow up with your impressions of the on-board video enhancements; particularly on less than stellar transfers.
 

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Great work, lorelevitt; and thanks! This erases any lingering misgivings I had about having returned an XA1 for a pre-order on the XA2. I hope you'll follow up with your impressions of the on-board video enhancements; particularly on less than stellar transfers.

It would be useful if anyone has any suggestions of scenes from SD DVD's I should look at with the XA2. Hopefully I'll have a copy of that DVD in my collection.
 

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Please tell us about the "Edge Enhancement" feature! Despite the dreadful labeling I assume it is in fact HQV's quite decent "detail enhancement" filter - therefor it's use should be without excessive and horrible ringing/halo artifacts. Would you mind taking a look?

I have been testing using various settings, including the "Edge Enhancement" feature. You are right, the name Toshiba chose for this is terrible, especially around this forum, but fortunately, what this feature does is anything but terrible. This appears to be a detail enhancement tool that actually enhances detail without inducing any visible ringing. I have my player set with this setting at "1" (selections are off, 1, 2) and block noise reduction on. SD DVD looks the best I have ever seen. Perhaps even as good as what the Anthem D-2 does with SD DVD.
 

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When upscaling std DVDs... does the XA2 give the flexibility of moving the sub-titles inside the viewing area? This feature would be great for 2.35:1 screens in a constant image height set up.


I do not think so....In LOTR, the subtitles are at the bottom of the viewing area, can't move them, and no zoom on SD DVD.
 

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I'm sure when you get the firmware that enables 1080p24 on the XA2, you'll compare that to the Crystallio II taking 1080i60 (say, from an A1 or A2) and outputting it at 1080p24 as well?


Won't you?



Excellent writeup, thanks for sharing your test results.
 

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well, I'm not that surprised. The HQV test disk is, well, designed to show off HQV algos. (ok granted most of them are quite objective). So a HQV player ought to pass all of them. Do u also have the DVDO test disc ? The HQV doesn't do too well there. The real life performance therefore will be much different. And for that, unfortunately there will never be a "benchmark" for it. (for the record I have some material the HQV performs very poorly, whereas an ordinary dvdp/PJ performs better)


..although I certainly agree the video processor nowadays is getting harder to sell once you see HQV/VXP chips going mainstream. 8 yrs ago the 1st Faroudja equipped dvdp sells for $800, today it's like $100. Will we see $200 HQV players ? When that happens VPs better sell for
 

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Yes, has anyone compared the gen1 units yet? The SD playback on my A1 is bafflingly good.


I don't know how they do it.

How about comparing the A2/XA2 to a MCE 2005 HTPC using NVidia Purevideo decoder?
 

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There would be a significant difference because the A1 doesn't have the ReonVX processor.


I dont know how significant it could possibly be to the human eye, yes as someone said running an hqv test of course the hqv equipment will yeild great results. This is like ati when using my htpc, does great on hqv tests but real time real world situations, I dont find it to be as great even though when i did the test ati beat purevideo in hqv tests, real time i didnt see it the same.


I know pictures dont tell the entire story, but if someone can post non doctored comparison shots i would like to see how dramtic of difference it is to the human eye with real material.
 

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Lorelevitt, thanks for posting your comparisions.


I do have one critical question: How does the XA2 handle the colorspace conversion of SD DVDs? Does it transform Rec.601 SD colorspace to HD Rec.709 spec?
 

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I dont know how significant it could possibly be to the human eye, yes as someone said running an hqv test of course the hqv equipment will yeild great results. This is like ati when using my htpc, does great on hqv tests but real time real world situations, I dont find it to be as great even though when i did the test ati beat purevideo in hqv tests, real time i didnt see it the same.


I know pictures dont tell the entire story, but if someone can post non doctored comparison shots i would like to see how dramtic of difference it is to the human eye with real material.

It's true eyeballing is going to have to be the final test. Comparative pics are also important. But I trust the OP's judgment here.
 

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So, a $1k piece of equipment beat out a $5k piece, yet you out of hand dismiss the Oppo? Would I be correct in assuming that you have not seen the Oppo HD-980 in action as yet?

I have not seen the 980, but have a 970HD that was my primary player before I bought my A1. Oppo makes a mighty fine player, especially for the price. But, I do not pretend that they compete with the ultra high end video processors, nor are they intended to.
 

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The HQV test disk is, well, designed to show off HQV algos. (ok granted most of them are quite objective). So a HQV player ought to pass all of them. Do u also have the DVDO test disc ? The HQV doesn't do too well there.

This is just silly.


First, it is misleading at best to suggest that these are two entirely different test discs. They share many of the same tests in common.


Second, the VP50 does as well or better than HQV processors on the HQV test disc on every test, except the noise reduction test. This is not surprising since the VP50 doesn't have noise reduction.


Note: The HQV discs may reveal some minor differences between DVDO processors and Realta-based processors on some of the weird cadences, which is of little consequence to the overwhelming majority of users. However, Gennum processors do just as well here.
 

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This is just silly.


First, it is misleading at best to suggest that these are two entirely different test discs. They share many of the same tests in common.


Second, the VP50 does as well or better than HQV processors on the HQV test disc on every test, except the noise reduction test. This is not surprising since the VP50 doesn't have noise reduction.


Note: The HQV discs may reveal some minor differences between DVDO processors and Realta-based processors on some of the weird cadences, which is of little consequence to the overwhelming majority of users. However, Gennum processors do just as well here.

I don't disagree with you. However, it should be noted that the HQV test disc surely doesn't contain any sequences which could put any HQV processor into bad light. HQV would be stupid to release such a disc. So an independent disc could possibly show some shortcomings of HQV processors which Gennum processors might not have. I'm NOT saying that this will actually be the case. I'm just saying that it's no surprise that a HQV processor never totally slips with a HQV test disc.
 
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