Mike,
T2 ultimate edition also has DTS ES as well as the matrixed DD EX.
Eric
T2 ultimate edition also has DTS ES as well as the matrixed DD EX.
Eric
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The astounding Denon 5800
Fianlly got the 5800 set up in the home yesterday and all I can say is that I feel like I'm working at Skywalker Ranch now with the one-of-a-kind teechnology this unit offers. The world's first 6.1 discrete channel amp/processor is an amazing piece of hardware to say the least.
Industry know-it-alls are claiming this unit has breached a new frontier and when people get a load of the stereo mag's reviews of Denon's newest baby -- the superlatives will be non-stop.
Imagine a whopping 170 watts per channel with all this THX Ultra processing manufactured in conjunction with George Lucas' cronies at Skywalker and you can imagine the experience. Also understand, this unit is upgradeable just like Onkyo, but Onkyo doesn't have the native ability of this monster (weighs in at over 62 pounds!)
Yesterday, I popped in the Bone Collector which is 6.1 matrix by the way and not discrete. Just amazing the way the processor handled the surrounds amplified with incredible clarity. Again, wait till you see the pro reviews. There is only one 6.1 discrete disk in existence today and that's The Haunting -- a perfectly horrid film, but the indisputable reference standard in audio quality. I cannot describe in words what it's like to sit there and listen to the Denon process the audio for this DVD which was mastered at Skywalker (see Sept. issue of Widescreen)
Naturally, my motivation to acquire this unit wasn't simply to listen to those few disks with DTS-ES or Dolby's version known as THX-EX. I had been told that it improved 5.1 as well and since most people's libraries contain a majority of films with that particular encoding, it was a more important factor. You won't be disappointed. The Denon improves your standard 5.1 disks adding a matrix signal to the back surrounds while stamping out definitive quality on the side surrounds. Truly amazing.
When you consider this baby also includes a touch remote which can be set to either IR or RF, you also are getting the equivalent of a Pronto included. What else can you say.
The days of movie lovers going out to buy separates to inoculate themselves from future advancements are over. Performance-wise... well, I'm not going to say this unit knocks out the $30,000 and up separate club, but I will say it competes favorably with any $10-to-$20,000 separate combo you could have and no separates can process like this right now. Of course, it will just be a matter of short time before all the others start to jump on the bandwagon so Denon's technological advantages will quickly be shared.
Industry know-it-alls are claiming this unit has breached a new frontier and when people get a load of the stereo mag's reviews of Denon's newest baby -- the superlatives will be non-stop.
Imagine a whopping 170 watts per channel with all this THX Ultra processing manufactured in conjunction with George Lucas' cronies at Skywalker and you can imagine the experience. Also understand, this unit is upgradeable just like Onkyo, but Onkyo doesn't have the native ability of this monster (weighs in at over 62 pounds!)
Yesterday, I popped in the Bone Collector which is 6.1 matrix by the way and not discrete. Just amazing the way the processor handled the surrounds amplified with incredible clarity. Again, wait till you see the pro reviews. There is only one 6.1 discrete disk in existence today and that's The Haunting -- a perfectly horrid film, but the indisputable reference standard in audio quality. I cannot describe in words what it's like to sit there and listen to the Denon process the audio for this DVD which was mastered at Skywalker (see Sept. issue of Widescreen)
Naturally, my motivation to acquire this unit wasn't simply to listen to those few disks with DTS-ES or Dolby's version known as THX-EX. I had been told that it improved 5.1 as well and since most people's libraries contain a majority of films with that particular encoding, it was a more important factor. You won't be disappointed. The Denon improves your standard 5.1 disks adding a matrix signal to the back surrounds while stamping out definitive quality on the side surrounds. Truly amazing.
When you consider this baby also includes a touch remote which can be set to either IR or RF, you also are getting the equivalent of a Pronto included. What else can you say.
The days of movie lovers going out to buy separates to inoculate themselves from future advancements are over. Performance-wise... well, I'm not going to say this unit knocks out the $30,000 and up separate club, but I will say it competes favorably with any $10-to-$20,000 separate combo you could have and no separates can process like this right now. Of course, it will just be a matter of short time before all the others start to jump on the bandwagon so Denon's technological advantages will quickly be shared.
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In my second room I now have a lex dc-2 used with two rotel 981 amps(150x3) and one rotel 976 amp(130x2). My dealer is going to let me take home a denon 5800 ( I should be getting it this coming week) to audition in this capacity. The dealer is willing to take the lex dc-2 and three amps for an even trade for the 5800. The lexicon is, by the way a dts version. Any thoughts on this? Am I crazy to trade or does it seem a good deal? Of course I will get a chance to compare direct because I have a spare dvd player to use just with the denon.Thanks for any thoughts on this.
Ron
Ron
I totally agree with Mike's assessment of the 5800. I set mine up last night. It replaced a Yamaha DSP-A1. The addition of the rear center channels adds a significant dimension to the sound field. I briefly played Terminator 2 and The Haunting (DTS Discrete) and was completely astounded by what I heard. The synthesis of the rear center channels for 5.1 DVDs really enhances the sound. The DTS Neo 6 mode works for stereo and PCM sources and is very good.
I still have a lot of exploring to do with this unit and I'm very pleased with it.
Jerry
I still have a lot of exploring to do with this unit and I'm very pleased with it.
Jerry
Mike and Jerry congratualtions on your purchases. I can't wait till I get mine next month. How is the direct mode?
Spero D.
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Spero D.
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T2 is DTS 6.1 matrix, not discrete. You have to be careful here because there are two types of ES which the Denon processes. Disks in DTS 6.1 ES are always matrix decoded except when you see the discrete moniker. Not that there's a huge difference in the sound between the two, albeit there is definitely a difference. Localization is a bit better in discrete mode. Both of them outdo anything I've heard to date in Dolby's THX-EX which this processor can also produce of course.
| Originally posted by uncle eric: Mike, T2 ultimate edition also has DTS ES as well as the matrixed DD EX. Eric |
Do you folks have the new DTS Discrete ES pressing of the Haunting. The original DTS version did not have Discrete ES.
Comparing the Akis (sp) remote with the Pronto is a big stretch.
Comparing the Akis (sp) remote with the Pronto is a big stretch.
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The previous version of The Haunting was DD. AFAIK, the new DTS version, which contains the DTS 6.1 Discrete is the only DTS version. I played it briefly and the sound was astounding. Based upon limited listening to this point, I again agree with Mike in that the DTS 6.1 Discrete and DTS 6.1 Matrix is better than the THX DD 6.1 Matrix.
The remote seems OK, but I have to admit I've never been able to warm up to the LCD touch screen remotes, including the Pronto. I still love my Marantz 2000 and transferred all the Denon 5800 codes to it. I guess I just prefer the buttons and I can work faster with it than an LCD remote.
Jerry
| Originally posted by rudolpht: Do you folks have the new DTS Discrete ES pressing of the Haunting. The original DTS version did not have Discrete ES. Comparing the Akis (sp) remote with the Pronto is a big stretch. |
The remote seems OK, but I have to admit I've never been able to warm up to the LCD touch screen remotes, including the Pronto. I still love my Marantz 2000 and transferred all the Denon 5800 codes to it. I guess I just prefer the buttons and I can work faster with it than an LCD remote.
Jerry
Mike or Jerry- How is the direct 2 channel mode? Have you tried it yet?
And also the RF Base Station?
Thanks,
Spero D.
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And also the RF Base Station?
Thanks,
Spero D.
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I got to audition the 5800 at CEDIA and was blown away! The channel separation, even on the matrixed stuff, was 100 times better than my Integra 9.1. Spero, you won't be disappointed. I know you like your 989, but this thing is everything it was cracked up to be and some.
Now if I could just get mine...hopefully I'll have good news on Monday.
Tom
Now if I could just get mine...hopefully I'll have good news on Monday.
Tom
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Yes, the new Haunting is 6.1 discrete and says so on the box.
My comparison to the Pronto was not supposed to be taken as a point-by-point comparison, just that you get a pretty damn good remote which can consolidate all your components through rf or if. It also can do your lights, air conditioning and whatever the heck else you want it to on either a micro or macro basis just as the Pronto can. It adds alot to the value of this deal for anyone contemplating a Denon 5800. That's all I meant.
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| Originally posted by rudolpht: Do you folks have the new DTS Discrete ES pressing of the Haunting. The original DTS version did not have Discrete ES. Comparing the Akis (sp) remote with the Pronto is a big stretch. |
My comparison to the Pronto was not supposed to be taken as a point-by-point comparison, just that you get a pretty damn good remote which can consolidate all your components through rf or if. It also can do your lights, air conditioning and whatever the heck else you want it to on either a micro or macro basis just as the Pronto can. It adds alot to the value of this deal for anyone contemplating a Denon 5800. That's all I meant.
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Tom I sold the 989 a while back and will be getting the Denon AVC-A1SE (AVR-5800)
Spero D.
Spero D.
wk- Yes it is called the AVC-A1SE for the Asian/Japanese/Australia/UK/Europe markets.
Spero D.
Spero D.
Do any of you guys with the 5800 have all the remote codes in a Pronto CCF file by chance? If so, would you please email me. Thanks.
Anyone tried out the DTS NEO surround mode yet?
Did anyone buy their Denon 5800 in the NYC/NJ metro area?
I'm going to get mine today, but I was told that none of the dealers in this area have received any in stock yet. Frankly, I find this hard to believe.
Regards,
Tom
I'm going to get mine today, but I was told that none of the dealers in this area have received any in stock yet. Frankly, I find this hard to believe.
Regards,
Tom
Steve- Jerry briefly mentions his Neo:6 experiences HERE.
Spero D.
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Spero D.
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The Denon 5800 puts out 170 watts to all six channels.
| Originally posted by migliore: I would not hesitate to put my Ovation/PM2000 combo up against the 5800, and it's less than $10k street. Has anyone done any measurements on the 5800? I read about receivers all of the time, 130Wpc, but that's 1 channel driven. Clipping w/ 5ch's starts around 75W or less. I don't doubt the 5800 is a fine receiver. But for the outrageous cost of the unit, you could get separates. Sure you might loose some bells and whistles.. To each his own.. Rob |
"To each his own.."
Gee, thanks. While you are busy "reading" about receivers as the basis of your expert opinions I think I'll go listen to my new 5800. If thats OK with you? And if you don't mind, those of us that are interested in this receiver may want to discuss it a bit further without any more "mine is bigger than yours" comments. Thanks again. You are too kind.
I can only hope your previous 177 post were more constructive than this kind of flame-bait. If not, perhaps you'll find audioreview.com to be a much better home for your insightful commentary.
Tom
Gee, thanks. While you are busy "reading" about receivers as the basis of your expert opinions I think I'll go listen to my new 5800. If thats OK with you? And if you don't mind, those of us that are interested in this receiver may want to discuss it a bit further without any more "mine is bigger than yours" comments. Thanks again. You are too kind.
I can only hope your previous 177 post were more constructive than this kind of flame-bait. If not, perhaps you'll find audioreview.com to be a much better home for your insightful commentary.
Tom
I would not hesitate to put my Ovation/PM2000 combo up against the 5800, and it's less than $10k street.
Has anyone done any measurements on the 5800? I read about receivers all of the time, 130Wpc, but that's 1 channel driven. Clipping w/ 5ch's starts around 75W or less.
I don't doubt the 5800 is a fine receiver. But for the outrageous cost of the unit, you could get separates. Sure you might loose some bells and whistles..
To each his own..
Rob
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Has anyone done any measurements on the 5800? I read about receivers all of the time, 130Wpc, but that's 1 channel driven. Clipping w/ 5ch's starts around 75W or less.
I don't doubt the 5800 is a fine receiver. But for the outrageous cost of the unit, you could get separates. Sure you might loose some bells and whistles..
To each his own..
Rob
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