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This device will replace my 2019 Shield for one reason and one reason only: framerate match built right into Android TV 11 OS. That and YT HDR as well as HLG support which are never possible with Shield.
 

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Yeah I hate contributing to waste, but unlike disc players it seems every single streamed to date it always compromised in several features. Google themselves in my opinion have been pretty bad both hardware, services, and software to other hardware vendors that they are sadly bottom of the field. Eg, their services (YouTube/Google Play Movies) barely support 4k HDR or Dolby Vision, don't support atmos, on any device, barely support 4k HDR on any device (eg 1080p on Apple TV - and yes that is software google provides). Which is why I'm watching this thread. I'm hoping maybe something is gonna happen. But seeing a $50 price tag, I'm not that hopeful....
 

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It can run all the streaming apps available today with 4K, DV/HDR10/HLG and Atmos support. That's inline with most of the sub-$100 Android TV boxes. What Google offers that no other can do is the first to get Android TV 11.
In Comparison, $150 to $200 nVidia Shield runs on a 5-year old SoC that can't do YT HDR and no HLG support. It might run games better but I don't care about that at all.
 

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This device will replace my 2019 Shield for one reason and one reason only: framerate match built right into Android TV 11 OS. That and YT HDR as well as HLG support which are never possible with Shield.
I’m afraid we won’t see a global framerate match feature in Android 11 like many of us would be waiting for.

In Android 11 there will be a new method for apps to call for a refresh rate switch described in detail here:


But it seems that this is mainly intented for mobile devices that can switch refresh rates without the display blanking out. Especially this paragraph makes me very pessimistic:

The platform will only switch display modes in response to a call to setFrameRate() if the mode switch is lightweight and unlikely to be noticeable to the user. If the app prefers to switch the display refresh rate even if it requires a heavy mode switch (for example, on an Android TV device), use preferredDisplayModeId.
The other method mentioned here is the one that is already available and used by apps like Kodi. So even if the new calling method would be used on Android TV - for example on a HDMI2.1 capable display that supports the VRR feature - this will still be optional and depend on the app to support it. So as long as streaming providers like Netflix decide to not support frame rate matching with their apps, the addition of this new feature in Android 11 won’t make a difference.
 

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We shall see. To support what Kodi did requires more low level programming that most streaming apps won't do. Hence, I see Google has a chance here to add this new API in Android 11 API. Of course, whether or not Netflix will mod their app to support is the new API is unknown. But I see this as a positive development. No VRR required. Match frame rate is support across the board in all other streaming devices, except Android TV. Google better do it right.

There is zero advantage for smart phone to do it because most, especially cheap ones, phones runs at 40Hz or so to reduce power consumption. Phone users could care less about matching refresh rate on such a small screen.
 

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If I pickup a few of these, I'll cycle my Mi Box 4s and Jetstream over to TVs that currently have Nexus players on them... So retiring 5-6 year old devices doesn't strike me as too terrible from an e-waste standpoint (especially since, as they're still working, they will go in a drawer or eBay and not in a landfill for some time).

If I had some confidence the Shield, Mi Box 4s, and Jetstream would get the YTTV and Nest Hello integration any time soon, I'd probably wait it out. I'm only half expecting the Shield ('17 Pro) to get it at all... As good as their update record has been, everything has to EOL eventually and the '19 models are different enough that I expect support for the '15 and '17 models to twilight sooner rather than later. The Shield will stick around for some time as, if nothing else, my Plex server... And the Nexus Players may even get new life for PiP sources if we have an NCAA Tournament this year... But YTTV and Nest Hello are big every-day use items that I'm keen to have deeper integration on all my primary displays.
 

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This device will replace my 2019 Shield for one reason and one reason only: framerate match built right into Android TV 11 OS. That and YT HDR as well as HLG support which are never possible with Shield.
I have the 2017 Shield and I am in the same boat. It's really unfortunate that Shield decided to cheap out on not supporting YouTube HDR and HLG, even though from a computation hardware perspective the chip is more than enough to do so.

It probably won't be as powerful as Shield, but I also don't expect to do any gaming nor run a plex server. As long as Sabrina can play UHD rip without an issue then it's good enough for me. If it has auto dynamic range switching like the Shield does then it'd be an auto buy for me.
 

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Yeah, Shield was quite powerful and ahead of everyone else.... 5 years ago compared to the slow Android TV boxes of that time (Nexus Player, MiBox 3 etc). But these days, with modern SoC, the alternatives are catching up quickly. I just don't feel my 2019 Shield much different than my Verizon Stream TV box or JetStream box. With a lot of features like Dolby Vision now builds into the OS, I'd quite ready to pick up a few of these new Google Streamers at this price. I have 10+ TVs at home. So I need a lot :)
 

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I'll be picking one up and giving it a go just to see what it can do. Having a remote makes it appealing. I assume you can connect other bluetooth devices (audio, keyboard, etc), making it more compelling.
 

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If it's running Android TV, you should be able to connect different devices via Bluetooth in the same manner as other Android TV devices currently on the market. Hopefully Google hasn't deviated from the familiar setup on this device.
 

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If it is scheduled to launch 9/30 as some websites revealed, I wonder if it will launch with old Android TV 9 OS. Android 11 is currently still in beta.
 

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Since this is going to be an Android device, there's a decent chance it will run the Kodi app...right?

Hope the remote has a IR blaster for TV/AVR control, otherwise its a lagger.
 

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I don't see any reason why not, it's in the Play Store. IR would be nice for volume control, but as a Harmony user, it wouldn't be a deal-breaker... but I still use the native remotes of my devices in a few rooms as secondary (i.e. in the office or kitchen to control the living room), so it would be a nice bonus.
 

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My Roku Ultra died in less than 2 years. I do not game, so did not want to pay for the Shield and Apple TV 4k is also way too costly. All streaming sticks are cheap but run very hot.
This new device might be good for sports streaming. I can hold out for this one.
 
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Looks like that STAR button from the leak everyone thought would be programmable will bet Netflix instead, unless it's different regionally (the image above was German, or at least the post was).
 

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