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I know.......I know.........not a catchy build name, but as I near retirement my Son has referred to this room as my coffin. As he has stated many times, "Might as well seal the door and call it your coffin". Seems fitting.......

Anyhow, after 2.5 years our home has finally sold and I don't need to be reminded how I took it in the "stove pipe" concerning selling price. The original thought two years ago was to have the room built by an expert, aka. Erskine-Group but now that thought has taken a turn for the worst and am budget conscious. I still have a few hurdles to jump as my current home closes in November.............any snafu's in closing............well, this post is dead on arrival.......moot.

Well, the crux of the story..........this home will be one-story, with a bonus room above the garage adjacent to the theater room As one might expect, by wife' sewing room above the garage is getting bigger........as my dedicated theater room is getting smaller. Not a bad trade off due to my lovely wife of 26 years has been supportive in regard to my dedicated theater endeavor.

Theater Room is 25 ft 2 inches X 17 ft X 10 ft 6 inches............with 22 inch wide X 12 inch high perimeter soffit.

Paint: Ralph Lauren Seude in color "Deigo"
Knotty Alder trim, stain "Fruitwood"
Fabric Walls: GOM Meander in color Boulder
Front Stage Wall: GOM Anchorage Onyx
Ceiling Cloud: GOM Sensa Black
Carpet: Shaw Global Exploration, color Bourbonnais Grey

Equipment:

Sony VPL-VW1100ES
Seymour-Screen Excellence 12 ft 2.37 Enlightor 4k
3 Triad Gold LCR for front
6 Triad Silver LCR for surround
6 KEF Ci-200rr-thx for Atmos Heights
4 UXL-18's for subs
Minidsp Open Drc with XLR connectors
Peavey ipr2 7500 amp
Marantz AV8805 processor
OPPO 203 UHD 4K Blueray Player
ATI 3007
ATI 1807
Panamax MB1500 UPS
Dish Hopper
Quest Ai acoustic treatments
Viscoustic Multifusors
6 Zone GE
Savant Control
Monoprice, Parts Express, Blue Jean cables
Middle Atlantic AXS-R millwork slideout rack which uses temporary slides and stand



Subject Links to Construction:

Cost to Build room only, no electronics
Putting rack together:
Begin Subwoofer Building:
UXL Drivers Arrive: Modeling
Modeling 4 UXL's
Planning for Atmos Cloud Begins:
Soffit Design
Coffer Cloud Design:
Coffer Cloud Framing Begins:
Fabric Track Framing Begins:
Acoustic Treatments for Cloud and Screen Disaster!
Atmos speaker installation
 

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Are you planning to frame the theater in 2x6's or are you just leaving the space for a staggered stud layout?


If I understand your description correctly, a main floor theater will be nice! We don't see many of those.


BTW, I noticed your signature, and I take it things haven't gone as planned
 

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Are you planning to frame the theater in 2x6's or are you just leaving the space for a staggered stud layout?

If I understand your description correctly, a main floor theater will be nice! We don't see many of those.

BTW, I noticed your signature, and I take it things haven't gone as planned

In the stage of designing...........on revision #5. Once the general floor plan is set, off to engineering with the plans. I've told the GC to figure framing the perimeter using 2 X 6's and it might become staggered 2 X 4's with a 6 inch plate. I'm waiting until we close the second week of November before I send CAD designs to Erskine-Group. Until then, I'm just looking for feedback............


Yeah, in regard to things going as planned with my Trojans.................well, if history repeats itself they will be right there in the end. USC has won the last seven meetings when facing an SEC team...............this year will be no different as long as we can get past the Domers and beat the Zeros twice- not an easy task!!
 

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Where is your equipment going? In the room or do you have a place for the rack set aside? I see a place in the bath/theater foyer that looks promising, but the missus might have something to say about that.


I like the small foyer as it lets you have two doors for sound isolation. It's also nice as it gives visitors a little more privacy when using that restroom.


Well, I'm a little biaed. I'm an SEC fan myself. An Auburn fan, actually, but with the season we're having I've had to branch out a bit:rolleyes:
 

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Where is your equipment going? In the room or do you have a place for the rack set aside? I see a place in the bath/theater foyer that looks promising, but the missus might have something to say about that.

I like the small foyer as it lets you have two doors for sound isolation. It's also nice as it gives visitors a little more privacy when using that restroom.

Well, I'm a little biaed. I'm an SEC fan myself. An Auburn fan, actually, but with the season we're having I've had to branch out a bit

I too was an Auburn fan for a day...............I was rooting for Auburn when you guys beat the "Zeros" and boy was I happy that day!! Always good to win a NC.........Auburn was exciting to watch that year!



On another note, the AV closet is adjacent to the theater entrance.........I plan on using Middle Atlantic AX-SXR-Series Slide-Out & Rotating Rack in the small closet opening. That is the main reason why I'm looking to open up the theater entrance taking a few more feet from my wife' kitchen. The closet for the time being is 32 inches deep but could be deeper.
 

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It sounds like you've thought this out pretty well. The only other things I can think of would be get ceilings as tall as you can. I've got 9' ceillings and I ran out of head room in a hurry. 10' ceillings would be great, and I think SierraMikeBravo has recommended 11' in other threads. You can dig down in that room to get the extra headroom.


More generally, if your kids stay over often (you sort of implied the kids are out of the house) or if you have stay over guests, or other family that may stay regularly in coming years, you might consider a split floor plan. it'd be a shame for the theater to get repurposed as a bedroom down the road.


And lastly, have you made it clear that the HVAC requirements are much different than any other room in the house, with the kitchen being the possible exception.
 

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I'm reminded of the movie, "Lost in Translation".


After communicating with the GC, revision #5 was emailed to me and a few missing items were evident- typical planning process. The theater foyer was not enlarged two feet into the kitchen and a thirty-six inch door was not included too. I'm a big guy, not gravitationally challenged for my age, so the 36" door is needed.
The bonus room above the garage has not been enlarged as requested to 20' by 15.5' with an added bath.............still hoping I can keep my 26 ft length in the theater room. Oh well, on to another revision and more communication with the GC.


If you take notice on the plan, the great room finally has the old reclaimed barn post placed which will be used to support timbers across the greatroom and kitchen. The GC has been great to work with and is a very nice guy but I've been through his process three times before, I'll keep him on his toes.



One question, what size door have most people used for their theater entrance? Since I want to use matching doors through out the home, I didn't want to have a different door for the theater entrance................................ that was one of the reasons for the small foyer.........a modified double door system.


Oh, BTW............if I haven't mentioned it yet. This will be a Tour of Homes in my area with manufacturing reps available for specified days during the weekly event. Sub Zero-Wolf will have a Rep there ...........I'm working on having a Triad Rep too come down from Portland.......also plan on having material representing AVS Science and Erskine Group.
 

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It sounds like you've thought this out pretty well. The only other things I can think of would be get ceilings as tall as you can. I've got 9' ceillings and I ran out of head room in a hurry. 10' ceillings would be great, and I think SierraMikeBravo has recommended 11' in other threads. You can dig down in that room to get the extra headroom.

More generally, if your kids stay over often (you sort of implied the kids are out of the house) or if you have stay over guests, or other family that may stay regularly in coming years, you might consider a split floor plan. it'd be a shame for the theater to get repurposed as a bedroom down the road.

And lastly, have you made it clear that the HVAC requirements are much different than any other room in the house, with the kitchen being the possible exception.

Thanks for the heads up on the ceiling height............I always planned on using 10 ft ceilings in theater but the post you are referring to I too took note several weeks ago and currently 11ft is in the plan. Since I'm getting up there in age, I didn't want steps into the theater room so no need to dig down to get the height- amazing what engineered trusses can do now........in the past, stick framing was the only method of choice. BTW, 11 foot ceilings in the theater has been problematic for the upstairs quilting room--gotta make the wife happy! My wife wants a bath up there and it looks like my theater room might have to shrink to 24 ft from 26ft. We will see as I'm waiting on revision #6.



Yup, both kids are out of the house and on to their careers. My daughter works for an international company and flies back and forth from Berlin and Boston.......that one never visits. The Son..........yeah he still comes home to visit and brings his tornado-like traits along with him. Good idea regarding split floor plan...........the bonus room above the garage is planned for that purpose- quilting, and family visitors.


On HVAC, yes I've made it clear to the GC the specs for the theater room is going to be very different than the rest of the home. The current plan is to have four zones with four thermostats..............1) bedrooms 2) greatroom/kitchen/dining 3) theater room 4) Quilting room. How the loads are spec-ed, I have no idea.........I leave that one to the professionals!
 

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Still working on elevations with the house plan..................


One small issue...........the backside of the home will be only 9ft which creates an issue with the front side of the theater. The theater will have ceilings 10ft high but now will have a slight slope to 10 ft. A facade wall will be built with screen so this small slope will be covered..............don't know if this will be an acoustic issue.


We did renditions with the back elevations having an 11 ft theater room but it just didn't look right, therefore a compromise was made so there is a small slope in the theater room which I reiterate will be covered by the screen wall.
 

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I like the location of the theater. Three of the walls do not have occupied space on the other side and the one wall that is shared with occupied space is the kitchen. looking forward to keeping up with this one.

Thanks......................this will be a fantastic ride............... I'm really looking forward to it!


With both kids graduated from college and with those MAJOR expenses out of the way...............it's time for my wife and I to do a few things for ourselves. I'm truly blessed to have a wonderful wife who has been a friend and partner for the last 26 years............she has been so encouraging on this home theater endeavor.


On another note, been busy on the phone talking to John at the Soundproofing Company and am settling on preparing for this endeavor. I've built three homes in my career, but this one I'm leaving it to the professionals.


Since this will be a "Tour of Homes" in my area, this AVS format will be an excellent documentation for locals to have first hand experience on what it take to have a world class theater in their very own home. Thanks to AVS for making this documentation possible................................BTW, final plans are coming to fruition.
 

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Been busy looking for alternatives to trim out the theater.............


Came upon a an idea that may turn out to be very useful and yet unusual. Our family has a tract of timberland which by chance has quite a few acres of old cherry stumps. The land used to be an original homestead cherry orchard which has been reclaimed by planting Douglas fir. Most of the stumps are anywhere from 4 ft up to 6 ft in height and from what I saw several months ago, there's a good change to reclaim some of the heart wood for decorative trim. My bother-in-law plans on taking out the chainsaw and checking how many stumps can be salvaged/reclaimed- he feels there could be more than enough to satisfy my needs with my construction. I'll know more about the possibilities by the end of next week.....................
 

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Long time no post..........

Getting the logistics ready for home and theater..............

Hope to have plans for speaker, screen size and seating locations........... also acoustic design soon. Plan is to use Quest products with fabric walls............ fabrics/carpet have already been chosen.

You said you are looking for suggestions... so I'll throw a couple out there. While the carpet looks very nice, it is too light colored to work well with a projector. It will reflect too much light and wash out your image. No matter how good the contrast on the projector, (100K:1 on the Sony), with all the reflected light off that carpet, you'll never realize it. Even with all the lights off, the light from the projector will be enough to light up that carpet. Your blacks will only ever be dark gray. I would suggest something much darker. You don't need to go completely "black hole", but dark carpeting will work much better than light carpeting. Also consider a dark ceiling and dark walls.


Earlier in the thread, there was some discussion about HVAC. If sound *isolation* is the primary consideration, you want a completely separate HVAC system for the HT, with separate and isolated ducting. Just having a separate "zone" won't help, especially if the duct work is connected to the duct-work for rest of the house. The best way to *isolate* the sound from the rest of the house is to not let it get into the duct-work in the first place. The only way to do that is to completely separate the duct-work for the HT from the rest of the house.


Just my $0.02


Craig
 

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You said you are looking for suggestions... so I'll throw a couple out there. While the carpet looks very nice, it is too light colored to work well with a projector. It will reflect too much light and wash out your image. No matter how good the contrast on the projector, (100K:1 on the Sony), with all the reflected light off that carpet, you'll never realize it. Even with all the lights off, the light from the projector will be enough to light up that carpet. Your blacks will only ever be dark gray. I would suggest something much darker. You don't need to go completely "black hole", but dark carpeting will work much better than light carpeting. Also consider a dark ceiling and dark walls.

Earlier in the thread, there was some discussion about HVAC. If sound *isolation* is the primary consideration, you want a completely separate HVAC system for the HT, with separate and isolated ducting. Just having a separate "zone" won't help, especially if the duct work is connected to the duct-work for rest of the house. The best way to *isolate* the sound from the rest of the house is to not let it get into the duct-work in the first place. The only way to do that is to completely separate the duct-work for the HT from the rest of the house.

Just my $0.02

Craig

Thanks Craig John,


Yes, special attention is being given to HVAC as i will be using the soffit as mufflers for both feed and return....................having two systems would be great, but a zoning system works best in this instance and will be constructed to to minimize outside interference.


I understand your concerns with carpet....................it's a compromise. In actuality, the carpet has darker shades so I'll check them out too.


Thanks for the feedback!
 

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Long time no post..............


Working on electrical schemes and am asking for help concerning rack enclosure..............


Plan to use MA Rotating AXS System for Millwork and In-Wall application but have concerns about having enough outlets i.e. current............


The plan is to have:


2-20amp outlets for amp and in-wall subs....

3-15 amp outlets for power bridge to projector, processor, and a spare


The room will have two separate 20 amp circuits with two receptacles on each circuit.............ie. two larger subs per circuit.


Am I missing something? Is this enough circuits to future proof? Feed back would be most helpful.
 

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Well............finally have my DE plans in hand...........


A few questions for the wise.........


How many people have their furnace and/or air conditioner next to their theater wall/s?


The reason why I ask is because I've paid dearly for a two stage furnace and two stage air conditioner which are supposedly ultra quiet, but am concerned with their locations on adjacent walls of my theater. The furnace has only one possible location which is in the garage, on the back wall of the theater. The air conditioner has been plumbed on the outside wall adjacent to theater too! I'm a little concerned with noise levels from both!


I can move the air conditioner to the side of the garage, but have been told I will loose efficiency of the ac unit by doing so. Wondering if anyone has experience with having both units next to their theater and can give advice. I have less than 48 hours to finalize ac unit location and am struggling with what direction to take.


1) Place ac unit next to theater and cross fingers the noise level won't be a problem.........or

2) Move ac unit 14 ft away from the theater wall and live with a less efficient ac unit.


I'd appreciate advise since the clock is ticking..............


Thanks
 

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Been working with John at the Soundproofing Company.................about to order my materials.


1) 4 Five gallon Pails of GG

2) 280 whisperclips

3) 1 case of acoustic caulk sealant

4) 16 IB-3 Brackets

5) 1 case putty pads

6) 5 rolls of 3/8 Serenity Mat

7) Zero Automatic door bottom

8) Zero Adjustable door system

9) Green Glue dispenser


Am I missing anything?


In addition, need advice/help with brand, size of fasteners for attaching clips to studs............5/8 OSB to channel, and 5/8 DD


Thanks
 
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