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There is a another thread of this title, but it's in another forum, and it concerns hardware issues.


DVDs are obviously at the edge of a precipice, the same sort that CDs reached some years back. People don't buy them like they used to. Hollywood had come to rely on DVD sales to make their real money on a film, but due to the economic collapse, Netflix, and the halfhearted and frustrating intoduction of high definition media siphoning off the collector market, DVDs rather suddenly seem to have nowhere to go.


The evidence is everywhere- the multipacks of movies for under ten bucks, the DVD product just sitting on the shelves, Borders eleminating CDs and DVDs from their stores, Blockbuster in trouble, etc.


It's only now that the effects of the economy will really be showing up in movies, since there is such a long lead time for most films to get released. National Public Radio had a piece on this very issue 7/28/09. They talked of "the most envied movies of the Summer", namely The Hangover and Transformers II, the low-budget moneymaker and the monster hit.


So we are back to the strange tendency of Hollywood to want to gamble on tremendously expensive films that might hit it big. In this economic climate, the report said that all it would take would be just a few big turkeys and studios could disappear.


What this doubtlessly means is that less and less of the old product makes it to Blu-ray. People who find it difficult to sit through films made before the eighties will probably be okay; the rest of us will be SOL, at least until movies on demand really get going.


Ah, but Netflix can keep us going. Maybe, for what is out there now. But if the studios don't come up with new issues and let the old catalogue disappear, things will change.


Maybe this has already been talked to death, and maybe there isn't much else to say on the matter anyway. But I think about this stuff a lot these days.
 

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CDs are not dead, in spite of the fact that they "reached that precipice years ago." And DVDs are not on the verge of dying, either. Both CDs and DVDs are super-cheap to produce (as physical media), so they can remain a viable option to iTunes and streaming.
 

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I often wonder how much of the decline in DVD is simply due to the back catalog all being releasted. DVD sales each year include new movies, and old movies that are new-on-DVD.


Well, they released most of the old movies. And they released them again in special editions and collector sets. Maybe the well is just dry.


Anyone see any statistics on how *new* movie DVD sales compare to prior years?
 

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The only think that may kill off DVD is something like NF's 'watch instantly'. However, that's only viable for people who have a decent internet connection and a PC or stb plugged into their TV. But the resources to house all of NF's DVD selection would be quite substantial. Debates have been ongoing for a while. I don't see DVDs going anywhere soon. Same for CDs. Quality of content is the biggest problem.


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CDs are not dead...And DVDs are not on the verge of dying, either.


It's true, people can produce their own CDs pretty easily, but the brick and mortar CD establishments with the great depth have mostly gone the way of the dinosaur.


And titles will continue to be issued on DVD, to be sure. But will the nifty restorations continue? Several musicals from the MGM golden age of musicals were given expensive makeovers, what with digital processing of the separation masters and everything. They are now in cases where you get four for around $20.


A lot of what was going on was based on a model of consumption that no longer exists. If you are old enough to remember, when the baby boomers were adolescents and twenty-somethings, the record industry had so much money it was hard to conceive of it. Artists could get fold-over record covers (which really added little), inserts, custom record jackets, and these records could still sell for $3-4 if you went to the right shops. Then they both tried to start charging more for records and introduced cassettes. Money disappeared. CDs came in so they could double or triple their asking prices, and that worked for a while. But neither SACDs or the other format went anywhere, except for Classical. Now the young pirate everything, and, strangely enough, vinyl discs are re-emerging as a niche market, a format you cannot pirate.
 

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CDs are not dead, in spite of the fact that they "reached that precipice years ago." And DVDs are not on the verge of dying, either. Both CDs and DVDs are super-cheap to produce (as physical media), so they can remain a viable option to iTunes and streaming.

This sums it up. While sales have slowed down, CDs and DVDs are NOT dead.
 

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And titles will continue to be issued on DVD, to be sure. But will the nifty restorations continue? Several musicals from the MGM golden age of musicals were given expensive makeovers, what with digital processing of the separation masters and everything. They are now in cases where you get four for around $20.

Restoration work of that type is not done exclusively for one format. During the restoration, the results generate a new HD master, which will be used for Blu-ray, DVD, broadcast syndication, (legal) downloads, Digital Copies, and any other video edition needed.
 

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CDs and DVDs are NOT dead.


It's true, the thread title is hyperbole designed to lure in the masses. And I am playing devil's advocate. But there is change afoot, and this article is three years old:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/13/te...gy/13disc.html


And here's a much more recent one:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...1056770437.htm

Restoration work of that type is not done exclusively for one format.


True enough, and hopefully this will continue. But Blu-ray sales aren't what they could be either.
 

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Change is not inherently bad (although some change is obviously disastrous...)
 

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Just like everything else are, DVD sales is cyclical too. There are "good times" and there are bad ones. If studios worry about DVD they should push BD harder still. But like others I don't see the reason to toll the bell just yet.
 

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True enough, and hopefully this will continue. But Blu-ray sales aren't what they could be either.

Renting is too popular and easy now, plus Hollywood has to start producing more films actually worth buying.
 

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DVD sales are affected by (in no particular order) the economy, BDs, downloads, and NetFlix....IMO.


Most of the serious collectors are waiting on Blu-ray issues, it is true. And you better believe the studios are examining how well a title has sold on DVD to see if it is worth the effort to issue on Blu-ray. And as far as the economy is concerned, remember you have to raise money to make a film, and money has become tight in the last two years. This is about the time between the conception of a film and its release. We will probably soon see what the economic collapse is going to do to the film industry, and I suspect it won't be good. One would think it would signal a return to "little films", but it might only mean more uninspired remakes and retreads.

Hollywood has to start producing more films actually worth buying.


But I fear if people aren't buying DVDs it may affect what is available on both DVD and Blu-ray, and what is being made. There may be even fewer films out there worth buying, or even seeing.
 

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And as far as the economy is concerned, remember you have to raise money to make a film, and money has become tight in the last two years. This is about the time between the conception of a film and its release. We will probably soon see what the economic collapse is going to do to the film industry, and I suspect it won't be good. One would think it would signal a return to "little films", but it might only mean more uninspired remakes and retreads.

I was primarily thinking of consumer spending during this economy.

Typically, people tighten their belts by cutting out the frills in life....such as entertainment.


Another factor I forgot to mention: Hollywood's back catalog is already out on disk (OK, maybe we don't have The African Queen yet
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I was primarily thinking of consumer spending during this economy.


And consumer spending is one of the prime reasons that Hollywood is scared because the public has severly curtailed their purchasing of DVDs, let alone their "special limited edition" repackagings.


But on the other side of the economy coin, banks may only want to loan money for projects that have a good chance of returning their investment, i.e. movies that young men want to go see and their young ladies will tolerate.


I guess a great deal of the catalogue is released. Turner and TCM through WB is now releasing bare boned versions of much more obscure films from their library. They started out at 19.99, if memory serves, and are now 17.99. This is apparently still too expensive. And the film noir boxes that WB has been releasing seem to have stalled at #4. There are certainly many low-budget noirs that have never seen a release on DVD. And quite a few Powell/Pressberger films too. Lots of things that don't immediately come to mind.


And there are a great many foreign films that never see release in America, both old and new, that certainly won't get a release if sales really tank.
 

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I often wonder how much of the decline in DVD is simply due to the back catalog all being releasted. DVD sales each year include new movies, and old movies that are new-on-DVD.


Well, they released most of the old movies. And they released them again in special editions and collector sets. Maybe the well is just dry.


Anyone see any statistics on how *new* movie DVD sales compare to prior years?

I've not seen any statistics but I would certainly agree from my own experience. So much catalog on DVD has been purchased already by those who would want them. I've moved outward significantly (and enjoying it) into more foreign and very old films.


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Some, like myself, enjoy having an actual, physical product. DLC is not for me, unless that's the ONLY option.

I do, as well. However, per my comment a few posts up, Hollywood has to give us worthy material. I love walking into Best Buy or Walmart on a whim, just to find a BD or two (or three) to take home, but there's nothing there I want to buy. Plenty of new movies out, but I've made too many blind buys that have bit me. When I go look at reviews, they're generally bad. Really bad. Sure, there are good movies coming out, but they are few and far between in my opinion.


I'm a more than willing potential buyer, but I'm not going to buy new material just because it's there. With todays movie market, renting or downloading is the safest bet, and pretty much a necessity for anyone feeling an economic pinch.
 

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I like to own disks as well. But special effects do not a good movie make, unless the basics are there - good script, good casting, good acting, good cinematography, etc.


Too many comic book plots, too many remakes (nobody needs another remake of Batman or The Hulk). Not enough good writing.
 

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I do, as well. However, per my comment a few posts up, Hollywood has to give us worthy material. I love walking into Best Buy or Walmart on a whim, just to find a BD or two (or three) to take home, but there's nothing there I want to buy. Plenty of new movies out, but I've made too many blind buys that have bit me. When I go look at reviews, they're generally bad. Really bad. Sure, there are good movies coming out, but they are few and far between in my opinion.


I'm a more than willing potential buyer, but I'm not going to buy new material just because it's there. With todays movie market, renting or downloading is the safest bet, and pretty much a necessity for anyone feeling an economic pinch.

Unfortunately, I think we're pretty much all in agreement about the current slew of films.



As for renting or purchasing, a savvy buyer can pretty much buy new material for the same price of a rental or download these days. Hell, HD-DVDs currently go for 1/2 of a rental!
As for myself, I typically pay $0.50 - $1 for DVDs, $3 - $4 for Blu-Rays, $3 - $5 for Xbox 360/PS3 games, and HD discs are always free. (Yes, these are all legitimate media, not pirated material!) Pays to have friends in the right places.



What's great about physical media is that you aren't stuck with it forever...you can trade it, give it away, or even sell it, should you choose to do so down the line. I remember replacing my entire VHS collection with DVDs years ago and actually making a profit in the process. Good times, indeed.
 
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