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Has anyone tried the samsung 3D glasses AND other brands? Are other brands significantly better? not sure whether to splash the cash on the epson glasses. i bought for a cheap price the samsung ones, they work well but I could do with a bit more brightness.

im having to use high lamp mode for 3D.

any custom settings ppl use for 3D?

im using a draper react ALr screen
Check some of my posts back as I mentioned which ones I have that work.
 
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If Gamma -2 is giving you crushed blacks then check out the calibrated HDR settings from projectorreviews and see if they work for you. Their suggested Gamma is 0.
 

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What is available for 3D glasses for this projector? Seems like Epson glasses have become a collectors item. Want to watch Prometheus in 3D.
I am using this 3D Glass and Looks good. Bought it in Amazon.
Rechargeable - Sintron ST07-BT for RF 3D TV, 3D Glasses for Sony, Panasonic, Samsung 3D TV, Epson 3D projector
 

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Check some of my posts back as I mentioned which ones I have that work.
]thanks mate.. struggling to find the post but am looking through them..
 

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What is available for 3D glasses for this projector? Seems like Epson glasses have become a collectors item. Want to watch Prometheus in 3D.
Has anyone tried the samsung 3D glasses AND other brands? Are other brands significantly better? not sure whether to splash the cash on the epson glasses. i bought for a cheap price the samsung ones, they work well but I could do with a bit more brightness.
I am using this 3D Glass and Looks good. Bought it in Amazon.
Rechargeable - Sintron ST07-BT for RF 3D TV, 3D Glasses for Sony, Panasonic, Samsung 3D TV, Epson 3D projector


I have 5 different types of 3d glasses for my 5040 ub.



Samsung Compatable Edimensional - They seem to sync, but would not display 3d correctly. I think I tried everything, but I should go try again soon since I just have them sitting unused. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0150KRI68/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Sintron - Work fine, but uncomfortable and small fov/lenses https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BW36TXQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Elikliv - Very similar to the Sintrons in look and function https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PX1Y63T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Epson ELPGS03 - Work great, large fov/lenses, most comfortable, genuine can be had on aliexpress for a reasonable price but takes 1 month + to states -https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32970240080.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.626f26f0sD9wt0&algo_pvid=e9cfd02e-38d2-4927-883f-c92000de9b14&algo_expid=e9cfd02e-38d2-4927-883f-c92000de9b14-0&btsid=0ab6fa8115918233977841424ee62c&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_


XPAND X105-RF-X1 - Got these ones for gf a month ago since the Epson's nose rest got in the way of her glasses. Finally a/b compared them yesterday, and these are my new favorites! Works just as good as the Epsons and just as large fov, very close in comfort, but definitely a bit brighter which adds punch to the picture. It's not at the expense of ghosting/crosstalk either since those are the same b/t glasses. Blocks a good amount of light from the sides as well. Ordered a second pair the other day that arrive tomorrow. Got $10 off used like new too. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFO4XSA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 

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A million thanks. My offsets where really low I will bring them up. I am a noob

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Nah, this stuff is a learning experience for all of us, I am no Kevin Miller. ;)



Before the 1.03 update Gamma+2 gave the best results for my rig (see signature). Now with 1.03 Gamma+1 gives better shadow detail, color saturation and clarity. However, I was under the impression that Gamma 2.4 should be the baseline, but if Gamma -2 tracks at 2.4, as per above quote and I get crushed blacks and poor colors despite adjusting using the Spears & Muncil discs at -2 what might the + Gamma settings be tracking at? Based on the above quote I'm guessing that +1 might be tracking around 2.2??
+1 tracks between 2.0 and 2.2, average is close to 2.1 (keeping in mind this is on my 5050ub). Your crush/color issues could also be source dependent, so many variables.

* Also keep in mind that your HDR slider will vary the EOTF so that plays a large part in the end result.



Thank you kind sir greatly appreciated I will give them a try this weekend thanks again

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No worries, best of luck!


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Nah, this stuff is a learning experience for all of us, I am no Kevin Miller. ;)











+1 tracks between 2.0 and 2.2, average is close to 2.1 (keeping in mind this is on my 5050ub). Your crush/color issues could also be source dependent, so many variables.



* Also keep in mind that your HDR slider will vary the EOTF so that plays a large part in the end result.











No worries, best of luck!





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Speaking of Kevin I do remember after he calibrated my friends zeta tv he did each device separately. Yes i learn everyday from kind folks like you.

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I have 5 different types of 3d glasses for my 5040 ub.



Samsung Compatable Edimensional - They seem to sync, but would not display 3d correctly. I think I tried everything, but I should go try again soon since I just have them sitting unused. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0150KRI68/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Sintron - Work fine, but uncomfortable and small fov/lenses https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BW36TXQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Elikliv - Very similar to the Sintrons in look and function https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PX1Y63T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Epson ELPGS03 - Work great, large fov/lenses, most comfortable, genuine can be had on aliexpress for a reasonable price but takes 1 month + to states -https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32970240080.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.626f26f0sD9wt0&algo_pvid=e9cfd02e-38d2-4927-883f-c92000de9b14&algo_expid=e9cfd02e-38d2-4927-883f-c92000de9b14-0&btsid=0ab6fa8115918233977841424ee62c&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_


XPAND X105-RF-X1 - Got these ones for gf a month ago since the Epson's nose rest got in the way of her glasses. Finally a/b compared them yesterday, and these are my new favorites! Works just as good as the Epsons and just as large fov, very close in comfort, but definitely a bit brighter which adds punch to the picture. It's not at the expense of ghosting/crosstalk either since those are the same b/t glasses. Blocks a good amount of light from the sides as well. Ordered a second pair the other day that arrive tomorrow. Got $10 off used like new too. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFO4XSA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Do you know if the expand brighter than these.
 

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I have 5 different types of 3d glasses for my 5040 ub.



Samsung Compatable Edimensional - They seem to sync, but would not display 3d correctly. I think I tried everything, but I should go try again soon since I just have them sitting unused. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0150KRI68/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Sintron - Work fine, but uncomfortable and small fov/lenses https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BW36TXQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Elikliv - Very similar to the Sintrons in look and function https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PX1Y63T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Epson ELPGS03 - Work great, large fov/lenses, most comfortable, genuine can be had on aliexpress for a reasonable price but takes 1 month + to states -https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32970240080.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.626f26f0sD9wt0&algo_pvid=e9cfd02e-38d2-4927-883f-c92000de9b14&algo_expid=e9cfd02e-38d2-4927-883f-c92000de9b14-0&btsid=0ab6fa8115918233977841424ee62c&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_


XPAND X105-RF-X1 - Got these ones for gf a month ago since the Epson's nose rest got in the way of her glasses. Finally a/b compared them yesterday, and these are my new favorites! Works just as good as the Epsons and just as large fov, very close in comfort, but definitely a bit brighter which adds punch to the picture. It's not at the expense of ghosting/crosstalk either since those are the same b/t glasses. Blocks a good amount of light from the sides as well. Ordered a second pair the other day that arrive tomorrow. Got $10 off used like new too. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFO4XSA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thank you so much mate! I wish I could track down the XPAND's in the UK! :( How much do they go for in the US?
 

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I wish the HDR slider was available in 3D.. I know it sounds dumb but the It would really help in terms of dialling in the brightness for it as its quite variable !
 

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Do you know if the expand brighter than these.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GTHwALyZII
I don't, sorry.



Thank you so much mate! I wish I could track down the XPAND's in the UK! :( How much do they go for in the US?
Welcome! They are a little under $40 usd new on Amazon right now and ~$30 used like new.



I own four pairs of these and don't use anything else. Their quality are top notch and the 3D is perfect every time.

https://www.hi-shock.de/en/rf-pro-gift-set-scarlet-heaven
I have the DLP-link version of those and those ones are indeed nice. Not my favorite due to a shift in color towards the cool temp and no light/vision blockage on the sides, but a close second or third. They were my gf's favorite though. She didn't notice little shifts in color, and they don't get in the way of glasses. My uncle liked them too for the same reason. Not that the function/quality would necessarily be identical between them, but it does show they are a competent 3d glasses producer.
 
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Here's a very basic starting point (obviously this is from my unit in my room with my gear so YMMV ;))...



I tried to push it as far as I could toward dynamic without being crushed or blown out (while making minimal adjustment, thus allowing 1.03 to work its magic).

This is not as punchy as my personal calibration but that has a bunch of other tweaks that work for my room with my gear. :cool:



Digital Cinema (Medium Lamp / High Speed Auto Iris)

- If you wish to use High Lamp with HDR it will throw the calibration off a bit but since this is just for fun anyway... have at it. :D



Brightness = 45 (this seems to be a good setting all-around... SDR and HDR)

Contrast = 56 (could go a bit higher but it color shifted beyond this point)



COLOR TEMP:

Color Temp = 5 (closest to 6500K post 1.03)

Skin Tone = 4

Custom:

Offset R = 50

Offset G = 50

Offset B = 49

Gain R = 41

Gain G = 50

Gain B = 46



Gamma = -2 (or -1 if -2 is too dark for your environment)

-2 tracks really close to 2.4 while -1 is closer to 2.3



* Since somebody mentioned using +2 on Gamma I measured it and it tracks from a 1.8 to 2.0





I'm sure most of you have tinkered and found settings you'll like more than these but this is a basic CAL that comes out under dE 3 without diving into the C.M.S (which is almost assured to make things worse by using settings from another units calibration).



This is taking the media sources out of the equation, it was done via a TPG and not a pattern disc via a specific player (not everyone has a Panasonic 420/820/9000).



Surely you can't be serious...

I am serious, and stop calling me Shirley.

:rolleyes:



- Jason
Thank you so much for taking the time to post these settings. I gave them a try tonight, and it looked really good. It makes me feel better though, that the settings Kevin Miller made for me, definitely look better. I definitely think now, more than ever, that the reason I'm not seeing an improvement after 1.03, like many others have, is simply because Kevin had my 5050 so dialed in, and there really wasn't room for improvement.

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I need some things clarified and would really appreciate the input. Im trying to learn calibration and SDR went well. Im starting to understand the basics.

HDR throws me for a major loop, and im getting frustrated.

From what I know HDR uses bt2020. NO display can do 100% of this color space correctly? We have a color filter, this allows us to hit what exactly? 100% of DCI-P3? Is this a smaller graph INSIDE the entire bt2020 package?

If I calibrated in cinema vs natural how much of a color difference is there? If cinema hits 100% of the dci-p3 chart, does natural hit 80%? 50%? Im trying to figure out if cinema is worth loosing half the lumins over natural, especially with my 138" screen.

Lastly, the HDR slider. We have 16 set poibts. How do I know what to leave it on? Or rather what number so I adjust all my calibration on? And when I do use the slider doesnt it throw off the entire image?

Thanks so much.
 

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I need some things clarified and would really appreciate the input. Im trying to learn calibration and SDR went well. Im starting to understand the basics.



HDR throws me for a major loop, and im getting frustrated.



From what I know HDR uses bt2020. NO display can do 100% of this color space correctly? We have a color filter, this allows us to hit what exactly? 100% of DCI-P3? Is this a smaller graph INSIDE the entire bt2020 package?



If I calibrated in cinema vs natural how much of a color difference is there? If cinema hits 100% of the dci-p3 chart, does natural hit 80%? 50%? Im trying to figure out if cinema is worth loosing half the lumins over natural, especially with my 138" screen.



Lastly, the HDR slider. We have 16 set poibts. How do I know what to leave it on? Or rather what number so I adjust all my calibration on? And when I do use the slider doesnt it throw off the entire image?



Thanks so much.
Chris a some of your questions are valid pertaining to the epson 5050, some belong in the calibration section. Trust me I break the rules all the time lol. The standard hdr slider position is 8. And the correct gamma position is negative =2. You're offsets should be as close to the neutral position as possible. A but this is all equipment dependent and can change. As far as yours screen size that is pretty big and you may be better off in natural or my favorite b&w cinema. Cinema is my reference I have seen it do 120 in wide screen with no problem. Before the firmware update the reference black level setting was around 50 now its under that now.Keep working at you will get it.And maybe this noob will be asking you. All the best.

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Has anyone got the Hi-Shock AND the XPAND Glasses that they could compare for 3D?
 

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I did a bit of a comparison here

https://sites.google.com/view/epson-tw9400/home



All of the glasses create a significant light loss and have some form of color skew.



My old Xpand have the least loss and skew, but are old, not that comfy and tricky to get hold of if you don't already have a pair. The next best are the Epson's in terms of measurement, lighter, comfier and easy to get hold of. They are however quite expensive and you can't change out the rechargeable battery, though you should get many years of service before they die!



The cheapest i've found are Samsung, which are very cheap, light and comfy. They don't block light from the edges and are a bit of an odd design.



All of them have a skew though, so i'd recommend sticking to all one brand and getting a setting calibrated - You can pull over some settings from SDR stuff though and also the inbuilt 1-8 greyscale white patterns work for greyscale calibration, as irritatingly you can't FORCE the pj manually into 3D mode, so needs a special 3D disc to do it manually - I've yet to find a way to get HCFR inbuilt patterns to run in 3D :(
Here's a comparison of some glasses, that should be helpful, to those of you looking for glasses.

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After the firmware update it seems to be the consensus that Digital Cinema is indeed brighter. Does anyone have a measurement of approximately how many lumens we are now getting in Digital Cinema high lamp and how much brighter it was than before?
 
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