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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 /forum/post/20948519






No specs yet, but I live in hope!

This is the only RR film with no extras, it really needs something and if Mimic ends up with the goods there is no reason his should not!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Faculty-Blu-...6012357&sr=8-1

I have the Canadian (or is it Australian) blu-ray of this - no extras. I'd heard years ago that Rodriguez was preparing extras for all his films.


Of course, if they were doing extensive extras they might want to chat with the fellows who actually wrote the original version of the script (and who receive story credit) - but I happen to know they haven't
 

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Originally Posted by haineshisway /forum/post/20948748


I have the Canadian (or is it Australian) blu-ray of this - no extras. I'd heard years ago that Rodriguez was preparing extras for all his films.


Of course, if they were doing extensive extras they might want to chat with the fellows who actually wrote the original version of the script (and who receive story credit) - but I happen to know they haven't

I have the Canadian version too and it does not look very good.
 

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Originally Posted by haineshisway /forum/post/20950956


It looks a lot better than the non-anamorphic DVD release.

To be fair to it, it was not a bad DVD, anamorphic or not
 

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Well it was anamorphic in some countries



The film was worth an upgrade onto Ausie anamorphic dvd, so I may go for HD as well.
 

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1. Alliance (CAN)


release is very well known, so just some short details

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2. German

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3. Spanish

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now, some lyrics.

canadian bd is the only one that starts without miramax intro, right away with dimension.

their transfer is the worst, between other stuff, it's just reddish.

ger/esp are close, spanish is generally better, just take a look at the left upper corner is german ss #3

spanish variant lacks a few seconds in the middle of the movie, when patrick open the door to the teacher's lounge, right after frodo/jordana sequence in the toilet. in normal variant door is initially almost closed, in spanish variant - already half-open


audio - can have a 24bit, probably fake/ineffective, capped at -3db. german is 16bit, properly normalised. they're both moderately clipped

track on spanish bd looks just like a dynamically compressed 384kbit ac3.

all of them have a 15khz narrowband interference
 

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Originally Posted by [email protected] /forum/post/21118663


audio - can have a 24bit, probably fake/ineffective, capped at -3db. german is 16bit, properly normalised. they're both moderately clipped

track on spanish bd looks just like a dynamically compressed 384kbit ac3.

all of them have a 15khz narrowband interference

The Canadian BD's master looks like an older scan made on a telecine for HD broadcast, with something done to the color timing. That is interesting you think the DTS-HD MA soundtrack is in fact just upsampled from lossy audio. The spectral analysis would likely confirm it.


I have had a hunch for awhile that many of the foreign distributors and secondary owners issuing Blu-rays have been putting fake lossless soundtracks on releases, using the original soundtracks taken from their DVD releases. It would be cheaper for them than trying to acquire the authentic, lossless soundtrack from the original production. Foreign rights can change hands many times over the years on these type of productions and access to the DVD soundtrack elements might be all they feel is necessary.


Someone might need to start testing these foreign releases of American productions for this problem.
 

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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger /forum/post/21120523


The Canadian BD's master looks like an older scan made on a telecine for HD broadcast, with something done to the color timing. That is interesting you think the DTS-HD MA soundtrack is in fact just upsampled from lossy audio. The spectral analysis would likely confirm it.


I have had a hunch for awhile that many of the foreign distributors and secondary owners issuing Blu-rays have been putting fake lossless soundtracks on releases, using the original soundtracks taken from their DVD releases. It would be cheaper for them than trying to acquire the authentic, lossless soundtrack from the original production. Foreign rights can change hands many times over the years on these type of productions and access to the DVD soundtrack elements might be all they feel is necessary.


Someone might need to start testing these foreign releases of American productions for this problem.

I've wondered about this too. Is there a method/software you can point me to, to test this? I have had my suspicions with foreign distributors as well as some US bargain bin titles.
 

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I've wondered about this too. Is there a method/software you can point me to, to test this? I have had my suspicions with foreign distributors as well as some US bargain bin titles.

If you are capable of ripping the soundtrack from the Blu-ray and decoding it to PCM, the audio's spectrum can then be analyzed using free software like Audacity. PCM is easiest to work with, I am not sure if there are tools for directly analyzing DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD.


It's possible to determine the original bit depth of the source used for the soundtrack and other things that would be strong indicators the source is lossy like a Dolby Digital track. Sony has admitted to upsampling soundtracks to 24-bit/48 kHz, even when the masters were not at that resolution.
 

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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger /forum/post/21120523


That is interesting you think the DTS-HD MA soundtrack is in fact just upsampled from lossy audio. The spectral analysis would likely confirm it.

spectrals/amplitude graphs for central chan of all 3 releases are posted in case it wasn't noticed.. actually, the cutoff is at 17khz which make the original track most likely 320kbps hehehe.


...this is the first time that i see this thing happening (dynamic compression along with ac3 like cutoff), usually it's just different mastering errors and errors made while trying to get rid of previous errors (like using parametric eq to erase this 15khz narrowband along with all neighbour frequencies in "the golden compass")


and the worst "authentic" audio transfer that i saw was at US "my boss's daughter" (from duplex/mbd disc) - 10-13khz frequencies were just washed out not mentioning that it was stereo. ac3 from r1 dvd is way better
 

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spectrals/amplitude graphs for central chan of all 3 releases are posted in case it wasn't noticed.. actually, the cutoff is at 17khz which make the original track most likely 320kbps hehehe.

More like DTS @768. It starts filtering the frequencies at 15kHz. While Dolby's lower bitrates @384 and 448kbps use more aggressive bit coupling they remain flat to 20kHz.
 

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and here's bdinfo from australian release. obviously, video & audio are taken from alliance transfer

Code:
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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     THE_FACULTY
Disc Size:      21,055,300,004 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00004.MPLS
Length:                 1:44:11 (h:m:s)
Size:                   20,328,665,088 bytes
Total Bitrate:          26.02 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        20000 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4123 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4123 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         46.525 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00004.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:44:11.161     20,328,665,088  26,016          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:07:48.634     21,170 kbps     32,595 kbps     00:00:13.346    29,548 kbps     00:00:09.300    27,609 kbps     00:00:08.591    110,359 bytes   408,996 bytes   00:05:12.562    
2               0:07:48.634     0:08:03.065     20,908 kbps     30,940 kbps     00:07:51.554    26,999 kbps     00:11:35.403    25,841 kbps     00:07:48.634    109,007 bytes   455,061 bytes   00:07:48.801    
3               0:15:51.700     0:07:48.342     21,397 kbps     31,013 kbps     00:23:14.351    27,816 kbps     00:16:38.998    27,012 kbps     00:16:37.913    111,556 bytes   455,001 bytes   00:16:43.252    
4               0:23:40.043     0:05:31.289     21,852 kbps     31,905 kbps     00:23:41.920    27,817 kbps     00:23:48.760    27,157 kbps     00:23:47.259    113,924 bytes   450,493 bytes   00:23:53.390    
5               0:29:11.332     0:08:30.009     20,688 kbps     29,751 kbps     00:33:09.153    26,836 kbps     00:33:08.069    25,371 kbps     00:33:02.981    107,855 bytes   404,482 bytes   00:34:21.642    
6               0:37:41.342     0:05:23.197     21,312 kbps     34,122 kbps     00:40:18.082    29,633 kbps     00:40:14.578    27,384 kbps     00:40:11.492    111,109 bytes   453,846 bytes   00:40:13.869    
7               0:43:04.540     0:08:48.319     22,165 kbps     35,671 kbps     00:47:05.572    30,730 kbps     00:47:04.822    27,517 kbps     00:47:04.822    115,557 bytes   448,955 bytes   00:47:05.614    
8               0:51:52.859     0:08:18.956     21,754 kbps     31,771 kbps     00:58:25.752    28,168 kbps     00:58:22.540    26,967 kbps     00:55:59.356    113,415 bytes   444,732 bytes   01:00:02.056    
9               1:00:11.816     0:06:02.195     18,048 kbps     25,797 kbps     01:00:14.861    24,124 kbps     01:00:13.359    23,577 kbps     01:00:13.985    94,094 bytes    317,655 bytes   01:04:42.670    
10              1:06:14.011     0:05:45.678     19,271 kbps     30,346 kbps     01:10:57.253    27,181 kbps     01:10:45.074    26,039 kbps     01:10:43.072    100,471 bytes   293,667 bytes   01:10:56.543    
11              1:11:59.690     0:08:43.773     18,495 kbps     30,623 kbps     01:12:09.616    27,113 kbps     01:12:05.821    25,960 kbps     01:12:00.482    96,427 bytes    427,518 bytes   01:12:04.361    
12              1:20:43.463     0:05:06.723     21,758 kbps     34,324 kbps     01:24:11.588    29,529 kbps     01:24:10.378    27,273 kbps     01:21:22.210    113,435 bytes   455,671 bytes   01:24:12.547    
13              1:25:50.186     0:06:23.341     19,926 kbps     33,872 kbps     01:27:51.099    29,740 kbps     01:30:42.979    26,846 kbps     01:30:40.017    103,883 bytes   418,475 bytes   01:27:53.184    
14              1:32:13.528     0:04:48.329     17,259 kbps     30,160 kbps     01:34:40.925    24,011 kbps     01:34:56.524    22,970 kbps     01:34:53.270    89,979 bytes    399,895 bytes   01:36:41.420    
15              1:37:01.857     0:02:02.872     23,454 kbps     33,390 kbps     01:37:04.193    30,192 kbps     01:37:03.859    27,407 kbps     01:37:04.109    122,279 bytes   382,669 bytes   01:39:02.686    
16              1:39:04.730     0:05:06.431     8,754 kbps      30,624 kbps     01:39:31.090    24,695 kbps     01:39:29.338    22,210 kbps     01:39:29.463    45,645 bytes    448,901 bytes   01:39:29.713    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00004.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     6251.078                20,000                  15,627,854,585  85,021,709      
00004.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           6251.078                4,123                   3,221,388,996   18,483,664      
00004.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6251.078                448                     350,068,992     1,953,510       
00004.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6251.078                47                      36,354,079      210,138
so i guess that's it for the moment with possible variants
 
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