The importance of Catalogue Titles

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ssjLancer

Discussion Starter · Jan 18, 2008

Am I the only person that doesnt care?

I bought Dracula recently and Ill probably get Rambo soon, apart from those there are only a few movies I wanna get in HD. After spending hundreds of dollars on the LotR EE trilogy, all of 007, Indiana Jones, all star wars etc. on DVD.. theres absolutely no way Im gonna buy them again.

Just wondering cause I see alot of focus and pressure put on the studios to release older movies. Id rather have them focus on matching DVD's NEW releases but maybe thats just me.. I intend to keep my DVD collection instead of packing away everything in the garage with my VHS collection.

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Everdog

· #2 · Jan 18, 2008

Many catalog titles have sold in the hundreds. Its not worth it to the studios.

wormraper

· #3 · Jan 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by ssjLancer /forum/post/12859566

Am I the only person that doesnt care?

I bought Dracula recently and Ill probably get Rambo soon, apart from those there are only a few movies I wanna get in HD. After spending hundreds of dollars on the LotR EE trilogy, all of 007, Indiana Jones, all star wars etc. on DVD.. theres absolutely no way Im gonna buy them again.

Just wondering cause I see alot of focus and pressure put on the studios to release older movies. Id rather have them focus on matching DVD's NEW releases but maybe thats just me.. I intend to keep my DVD collection instead of packing away everything in the garage with my VHS collection.

I enjoy my DVD's that aren't in HD, but when one comes out on HD that I already own it makes it pretty much unwatchable after seeing the HD version. If I didn't watch any HD DVD's or Blu Rays at all I'd probably be satisfied, but I'm the guy who has multiple copies of many of my DVD's cuz I had to have the "best" version that came out. More extras, kick ass packaging, DTS audio, improved PQ etc...

MovieSwede

· #4 · Jan 18, 2008

Cataogue titles are important since 90% of everything newly produced is s**t.

Some times real gems are created

(as Gladiator, Alien, Aliens, Black Hawk down etc)

and thats really why im into hometheater, because i want to watch old movies as cinematic as possible.

jkcheng122

· #5 · Jan 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by MovieSwede /forum/post/12859640

Cataogue titles are important since 90% of everything newly produced is s**t.

Some times real gems are created

(as Gladiator, Alien, Aliens, Black Hawk down etc)

and thats really why im into hometheater, because i want to watch old movies as cinematic as possible.

you also have catalog releases like Armageddon that still doesnt have a anamorphic transfer (at least not a good one) and are dying for a hd treatment. some movies i already own on dvd i won't upgrade should a hd version come out. but most of the dvd's in my collection i'm eagerly waiting for hd versions to upgrade to. Blade, Austin Powers, Star Wars, LoTR are just a few that comes to mind.

JAC6

· #6 · Jan 18, 2008

Good catalog titles will sell decently. But the existence of broad catalogs will convey a sense of replacing DVD over time and will give people confidence to buy Blu-Ray. And, as has been pointed out, there are fabulous catalog titles and much of the new stuff is truly dreadful. Catalogs are important but day-and-date new releases are critical.

MovieSwede

· #7 · Jan 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 /forum/post/12859695

you also have catalog releases like Armageddon that still doesnt have a anamorphic transfer (at least not a good one) and are dying for a hd treatment.

http://www.discshop.se/shop/ds_produ...=movies&&ref=#

anamorphic transfer

But the movie aint what i call a golden gem.

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crussader

· #8 · Jan 18, 2008

From the studios perspective the whole point of a new format was to sell the catalogue titles again. New releases sell just fine on DVD. They don't need a new format to make money on a new release.

griffon2k

· #9 · Jan 18, 2008

Until catalog titles sell with decent numbers, studios will be hesitant to put them out because of the little if any return on investment.

It's difficult to convince someone to buy a title they already own, especially if the only advantage of doing so is better picture and audio quality. The movie is still the same.

For some of my favorites, sure I'd double dip on catalog HD, but I wouldn't think of replacing my entire DVD library.

Everdog

· #10 · Jan 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by MovieSwede /forum/post/12859767

http://www.discshop.se/shop/ds_produ...=movies&&ref=#

anamorphic transfer

But the movie aint what i call a golden gem.

Sure it is. Some how they fit every silly movie cliche' in to that steaming pile of film.

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MovieSwede

· #11 · Jan 18, 2008

If the studios think people gonna rebuy every classic on HDM, they are gonna make a hard discovery.

With VHS it was no question, rebuy everything, never play tape again.

But no need to rush this time.

I have my list of must buys.

jvillain

· #12 · Jan 18, 2008

Some thing like Blade Runner may not sell monster numbers right now but the studio knows that it will sell some this week and every week to come. The collectors will constantly drive the numbers up and they are definitely going to want an HDM version. Especially which 5 seperate cuts and a boat load of extras. There are movies that don't have the same collectability though.

My self 95% of my collection is catalog titles and I have only 2 DVDs left to replace.

ssjLancer

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by Everdog /forum/post/12859803

Sure it is. Some how they fit every silly movie cliche' in to that steaming pile of film.

Movie cliches can be fun.

I found Armaggeddon to be more entertaining than Sunshine(what a depressing movie)

Timothy Ramzyk

· #14 · Jan 18, 2008

If HDM doesn't release catalog titles eventually, I don't care if it ever takes off. New films I want to own are few, and if HD leaves the "Criterion, cult and classics" crowd out in the cold I'm not going to keep buying crap just to feed the players.

As far as studios being unwilling, I'm frankly sick of hearing it. You have to spend money to make money and it's not like a catalog title "goes bad" if you don't sell out in the first week. I know many people who's main reason for not going Hi-def is that all that's out their is a retread of the last two-three years of box-office dreck.

SirDrexl

· #15 · Jan 19, 2008

If DVD was good enough for my favorite movies, I wouldn't bother with HDM at all.

Faceless Rebel

· #16 · Jan 19, 2008

For the record, Lord of the Rings is considered a catalog title.

So, how important do you think catalog titles are now?

Danny_N

· #17 · Jan 19, 2008

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Originally Posted by Timothy Ramzyk /forum/post/12861212

If HDM doesn't release catalog titles eventually, I don't care if it ever takes off. New films I want to own are few, and if HD leaves the "Criterion, cult and classics" crowd out in the cold I not going to keep buying crap just to feed the players.

As far as studios being unwilling, I'm frankly sick of hearing it. You have to spend money to make money and it's not like a catalog title "goes bad" if you don't sell out in the first week. I know many people who's main reason for not going Hi-def is that all that's out their is a retread of the last two-three years of box-office dreck.

Totally agree with the above.

I used to buy about a hundred DVDs a year but I have stopped buying SD because after experiencing the quality of HD it's too hard to go back for me. So I buy HD only now but there's hardly anything coming out that interests me. Out of the 50 or so HD and BD titles that have been announced so far for Q1, I will only buy 1 (Bonnie and Clyde). The rest does not interest me at all as it is mostly modern Hollywood crap. I want more classics.

The only positive is that I save a lot of money at the moment.

Zoo

· #18 · Jan 19, 2008

Well, call me one of the weirdos who salivates over catalogue stuff. I have been working my way through the AFI top 100 and top 400 via my video store, local library and selected purchases. So many great movies going back to the 1910s and beyond. Many things from the 30s,40s,50s,60,s and 70s not including lots of stuff from the 1980s that is special already to me as I was a teenager at this time.

While new classics are being made there sure is a lot of "filler" out there and sadly a lot of day/date releases are not -and never will be- great movies. Hopefully as the user base grows we will see the Citizen Canes of the world find their way onto HDM and do well enough to satisfy the studios. Hopefully Criterion will see fit to do BLu-Ray at some point so that things like Ace In The Hole can get a nice HDM release.

So many great films out there before the millenium. Hopefully some of the gamers checking out HDM will try out older flicks. So many great films out there "before your time". I am a circa 1970 human being; yet enjoy many great films that predate me.

Viva the classics!

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Timothy Ramzyk

· #19 · Jan 19, 2008

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Originally Posted by Danny_N /forum/post/12864430

Out of the 50 or so HD and BD titles that have been announced so far for Q1, I will only buy 1 (Bonnie and Clyde).

Me too, it just strikes me as odd that two "connoisseur" formats are introduced so that we can get a stunning disk of NORBIT or SAW 4. IMO studios are making too little effort to build a market. People aren't as dumb as we take them for, many know Warner put out ROBBIN HOOD, CASABLANCA SEARCHERS, FORBIDDEN PLANET, but has kinked the hose to a trickle for this kind of title.

miata

· #20 · Jan 19, 2008

The simple fact is that there will be many more people buying HDM in 2 years than there are right now. The cost of producing a movie is only going to go down over time. The cost of manufacturing HDM is also only going down over time. So, what business logic would motivate a studio to release a bunch of catalog titles now rather than waiting until the market is much larger and more profitable?

We just need to have a little patience.

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