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So Mr. Tux should have all that the components by X-Mas to start doing his thing and creating a x-over.
Plan is open to passive or active x-over or a mix of both and Ryan will choose what he thinks is best.
Long term project and no rush to get this done.

The key words that I have told Ryan to describe what I am looking for are:
Power
Clarity
Attack
Airy

Components for each of the front 3:

2 x JBL 2226h
1 x 2446h 2" compression driver with Be diaphragm
1 x Iwata 300
***may add an AMT or a Beyma 150d or the new 200 if we can't get the high's sounding where I want them to.
I think we are shooting for somewhere between 40-45hz on the low end.

Front 3 will get 1000watts per side from my Powersoft 4 channel amp.

Each 2226 will have it's own cabinet and be ported. They will be stacked on top of each other.
Each driver is recessed in the baffle by 1/4 - 1/2" and will have a large roundover on the front edge of the opening.
Each side of the port will be flared or have a roundover.
Subs will be 2 - FTW 21's powered by their own Ashly KLR3200 bridged to 3200watts.

[there will be bracing inside not shown in the image. 1.5" thick front baffle and 3/4" walls elsewhere most likely baltic birch then painted high gloss white]





Ryan will be taking measurements of everything and posting them here if I'm not wrong.
Maybe the differences between the stock diaphragm and the Be in the 2446 also.

I also want to thank jbrown for helping us get the iwata's over here and Erich for putting up with my badgering. Also Scott Simonian for pushing me to spend money and Mr. Carl Huff for his help about the Be diaphragms and where to get them.
 

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YAY!!!! Looking forward to this build. Always wanted to try the IWATA300 but just dont have the room. That being said I will have settle with the SEOS18 1.4" coming in January. And live through your build thread. :D
 

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What led you to choose the iwata over other horn options?
First was looks. I though it would be drop dead sexy on a FOH system.
After doing some research about them and reading Penngray's thread and this quote from Carl Huff I was sold.

I too hear a difference with the IWATAs. For me the IWATAs sound 'bigger' than do other horn systems that I have had. All too often with my previous horn systems I could close my eyes and with my ears successfully point to the horn as the source of the music. With the IWATAs it is a different story. I find the music much more engulfing and I can no longer close my eyes and see the horn as the source of the music. It is a much different presentation than what I had expected. Does that sound like a reasonable description?? I am not satisfied with my own words but lack a better ones to share.
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Anything over a few watts to those channels is going to induce pain ;) Looks good.
So you think it would be overkill in an 8x10 foot room? :D
 

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So you think it would be overkill in an 8x10 foot room? :D
See, that's about how big my third bedroom (movie room) is. I can barely sit far enough back from my 8s, and they're not in big cabinets. I can't imagine six 15s and three huge horns that close to me.
 

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Alright so like I mentioned this is gonna be in the works for a while.
I just arrived in my new Hometown of Saskatoon from Toronto(3100 kms away) the first week of January.
I will be staying with a friend until the new business gets under way.
The only update I have is the iwata's that came in just before Xmas.
Thanks to Erich for getting them out so quick, jbrown for picking them up from his depot in the US and Tux for picking them up from Joe's. LOL
Oh and thanks to Joe's kids for saving us all a few dollars. ;)

Here are a couple pics of the iwata 300's.




I was hoping for a more deeper candy red but I will decide after I see them sometime n the summer hopefully, if I will get them painted or not.
Should look pretty slick over a pearl white bottom end.
 

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Tux even if it takes longer is there any way you can take measurements and let us know the difference between the original diaphragm and the Be?
Since you have 3 of everything there an opinion on any difference you hear, like's dislikes would be cool also.


I hate doing doors and windows. Too precise for my liking.
 

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Ya I'll try for measurements on those sometime this week perhaps. Handling those waveguides scares me :D
Don't worry too much bro. If something happens it happens. :)
 

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Easier to move then the Iwata 200:D



Cant wait. If I could house the Iwata big horns in a cabinet then I would build these and pull them out when listening by myself. :)
 

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Easier to move then the Iwata 200:D



Cant wait. If I could house the Iwata big horns in a cabinet then I would build these and pull them out when listening by myself. :)
It's funny how much of a patient person I have become the past couple years.
I have a brand new 64" Samsung Plasma still in the box for the past few months I've never even opened. It was only opened in store to test out. I have 2 amps, and Tux has most of my speaker components and I don't feel rushed at all to open everything or get things done.

When it happens it happens.
 

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It's funny how much of a patient person I have become the past couple years.
I have a brand new 64" Samsung Plasma still in the box for the past few months I've never even opened. It was only opened in store to test out. I have 2 amps, and Tux has most of my speaker components and I don't feel rushed at all to open everything or get things done.

When it happens it happens.
Well thats sounds familiar. I have been waiting on building my subwoofers for quite a while now. I have a few projects that I still need to finish/start also. And this has been over a 1.5 year time frame. I figure my subs will be done around November and my front speakers maybe the same but lots of variables.

But hopefully when your ready I will be able to buy the IWATA horns. :)
 

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This is similar to a build that I plan on doing in the coming summer, only difference is that I will be using Seos24's instead of the iWatta's. Will be using the same 2446 compression drivers, that is, assuming that I can find a pair for a reasonable price, and will also be using the Be diaphragms. It has been my understanding that if you are using the Be diaphragms on a 2446 or 2447 that it will push the breakup frequency higher up in frequency and add a good bit of clarity and detail to the top end. I am also open to the idea of using a (super?) tweeter such as the TPL-200 or...?

Speaking of which, I wonder what would be a good option for the extended high frequencies assuming that the 2446/Be combo doesn't cut it? I know that the Beyma is a great option. But what else is out there that would have the sensitivity to keep up and give the best top end possible regardless of price? Would something like a Raal work if crossed over actively?
 

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This is similar to a build that I plan on doing in the coming summer, only difference is that I will be using Seos24's instead of the iWatta's. Will be using the same 2446 compression drivers, that is, assuming that I can find a pair for a reasonable price, and will also be using the Be diaphragms. It has been my understanding that if you are using the Be diaphragms on a 2446 or 2447 that it will push the breakup frequency higher up in frequency and add a good bit of clarity and detail to the top end. I am also open to the idea of using a (super?) tweeter such as the TPL-200 or...?

Speaking of which, I wonder what would be a good option for the extended high frequencies assuming that the 2446/Be combo doesn't cut it? I know that the Beyma is a great option. But what else is out there that would have the sensitivity to keep up and give the best top end possible regardless of price? Would something like a Raal work if crossed over actively?
I've discussed the idea of using something like the RAAL pro, TPL or an AMT with Ryan. He knows my opinion on the whole thing and what I am trying to achieve on the top end. I'm not so sure we will be able to get that from the 2446's with the Be's.
I have no problem adding to the design if need be with the above mentioned units if need be.
I really want that top end nice and airy.
 
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