According to Amazon.com the newest version was just released yesterday. I ordered it from them but they won't have it in stock until the 15th? I can let you know after that. 
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The new Digital Video Essentials
Has anybody tried it yet? Is it a worthwhile purchase? I have an X1.
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Does this DVD have Windows Media 9 versions on the disc for HDTV patterns?
I received mine yesterday. Not much that hasn't been covered in the VE. There is no WM9 content. The patterns are all 1080P derived, so they look better than VE or AVIA. There are also tests for DD-EX and the Montage of Images has optional DTS. Joe Kane is also in the background of a restaurant scene, shown a few times. There is a red, blue and green filter and a few new test patterns, including a much improved PLUGE pattern. The biggest improvement is a booklet with chapter and title locations of every frame!
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From what I've read, Joe is considering releasing an WM9 version. I would not expect to see it before the first of the year. The industry interest in WM9 could be an exciting development. A WM9 compatible DVD player could make HD DVDs available within the year.
| Originally posted by EHUFF Does this DVD have Windows Media 9 versions on the disc for HDTV patterns? |
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I think I remember reading that Samsung will have a dvd player that plays WM9 content this January. But, I'm not sure if it would output HD. Probably all would be downsampled to a 480p output. Interesting anyway.
| Originally posted by joewmaki A WM9 compatible DVD player could make HD DVDs available within the year. |
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Why do you think that? What would be the point?
| Originally posted by EHUFF I think I remember reading that Samsung will have a dvd player that plays WM9 content this January. But, I'm not sure if it would output HD. Probably all would be downsampled to a 480p output. Interesting anyway. |
There is very little HD content in WM9 now and the cost for the manufacturer to put the hardware/electronics in that would output 720p or 1080i/p would not seem to make sense at this point to keep costs down and retail price reasonable for a dvd player.
I would expect a standard dvd player with standard dvd electronics with the abilty to play WM9 content, but at the standard dvd 480p output. If it does output 720p or 1080i/p it will probably be expensive. I'm just speculating on all this of course. I hope I'm wrong and we get HD out for a reasonable price.
I would expect a standard dvd player with standard dvd electronics with the abilty to play WM9 content, but at the standard dvd 480p output. If it does output 720p or 1080i/p it will probably be expensive. I'm just speculating on all this of course. I hope I'm wrong and we get HD out for a reasonable price.
I think that if Samsung can make a DVD player that upsamples to 720p/1080i inexpensively (the HD931), then they certainly could make a WM9 HD DVD player for a reasonable price. HD is certainly more expensive to implement than 480p, but it's not prohibitive at this point. Without HD output, why would they even bother making WM9 DVD?
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Cool. I did not know about the HD931. Looks promising. So, it seems, depending on microsoft licensing costs the new dvd player could play wm9 at HD res and will probably street between $225 and $399 I'd say. Not bad. I like it.
Cool. I did not know about the HD931. Looks promising. So, it seems, depending on microsoft licensing costs the new dvd player could play wm9 at HD res and will probably street between $225 and $399 I'd say. Not bad. I like it.
Okay, so I can create another thread if people want this talk out of a VE thread, but how do we think a WM9 DVD player would handle registration and DRM? For instance the Terminator 2 DVD with a WM9 HD version? Would it even play in a stand alone dvd player like we're talking about?
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I don't think it would, but apparently Microsoft was angry that such a restrictive measure was placed in the DVD. So hopefully future WM9 titles will play without any type of registration.
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The expensive part wouldn't be the scaler it's the WM9 decoder. However, given how much computing power is available today it might not cost all that much. If it comes in under $400, has DVI output, and can scale regular DVDs to HD resolutions I'm all over it.
I really hope the chosen resolution is 720p. I'd rather have 9mb/s 720p than 9mb/s 1080p. I don't think the tradeoff of much more compression for higher resolution would be worth it.
| Originally posted by EHUFF Okay, so I can create another thread if people want this talk out of a VE thread, but how do we think a WM9 DVD player would handle registration and DRM? For instance the Terminator 2 DVD with a WM9 HD version? Would it even play in a stand alone dvd player like we're talking about? |
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I think that if Samsung can make a DVD player that upsamples to 720p/1080i inexpensively (the HD931), then they certainly could make a WM9 HD DVD player for a reasonable price. HD is certainly more expensive to implement than 480p, but it's not prohibitive at this point. Without HD output, why would they even bother making WM9 DVD? |
I really hope the chosen resolution is 720p. I'd rather have 9mb/s 720p than 9mb/s 1080p. I don't think the tradeoff of much more compression for higher resolution would be worth it.
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I talked to a guy from Microsoft on the plane while flying back from CEDIA. He said that he understood they had missed the goal of getting these player(s) out this Christmas, but they were also aiming for the $199 price target. He wasn't in the actual group that does this stuff, but was in the financial side for Microsoft and it could have just been speculation. I got the feeling he knew a little bit, but not everything.
I wouldn't expect them to be nearly as restrictive with a standalone player. One reason to be restrictive with a PC is that people can copy it to their hard drive, then loan the original to a friend, sell it on ebay, etc. With a standalone player they would basically have to copy the disk. There are things that make that more difficult and I think there are less people who would go to the extra effort of trying to steal things this way.
Once the WM9 players are out, I wouldn't be surprised to see WM9 movies that will only play in those, and not in PCs. Hopefully not, but I would rather see more WM9 content even if it required one of these players. And I would expect them to output at least 720p.
--Darin
| Originally posted by EHUFF Cool. I did not know about the HD931. Looks promising. So, it seems, depending on microsoft licensing costs the new dvd player could play wm9 at HD res and will probably street between $225 and $399 I'd say. Not bad. I like it. |
I wouldn't expect them to be nearly as restrictive with a standalone player. One reason to be restrictive with a PC is that people can copy it to their hard drive, then loan the original to a friend, sell it on ebay, etc. With a standalone player they would basically have to copy the disk. There are things that make that more difficult and I think there are less people who would go to the extra effort of trying to steal things this way.
Once the WM9 players are out, I wouldn't be surprised to see WM9 movies that will only play in those, and not in PCs. Hopefully not, but I would rather see more WM9 content even if it required one of these players. And I would expect them to output at least 720p.
--Darin
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Anyway, back to the original question: Considering it retails for $25 it's hard to imagine it not being a worthwhile purchase. In the past these calibration DVDs were double that price. I ordered a copy from Deep Discount DVD for $17. It would be worth it if it were just a more up to date version of the 6 year old Video Essentials, which from the reviews I've seen it's much more than that.
| Originally posted by ChaCha Has anybody tried it yet? Is it a worthwhile purchase? I have an X1. |
one question I have, which I had a problem with the original, was does it have more instruction or explanation on how to use all the patters? One thing in the original was that it had a bunch of extra patterns, but no explanation of how to use them...I'm sure professional calibrators understood them all, but I personally like to know every possible way of tweaking my image and felt there wasn't enough information beyond that of the standard calibration patters, etc...
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I think you meant 1080i. 720p would have no advantage over 1080p (except for lower resolution ).
| Originally posted by David777 II really hope the chosen resolution is 720p. I'd rather have 9mb/s 720p than 9mb/s 1080p. |
).Does Blockbuster rent the thing?
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