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Once a poll decides which tier a title will be placed, who / how will it be determined where it's placed within the tier???

Good Question - Open to Suggestions; perhaps replies within the polling thread concerning placement should be reviewed and used to determine where within the winning tier it goes. For example if Tier 3 gets the most votes and only one person gives feedback as to where it belongs within tier 3 that'd be where I'd put it...
 

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Is it AustinSTI or Fetta wannabe?

How you gonna come along and make a comment like that? I found the FETT thread VERY useful as a new blu-rayer and I don't think it should die just because the guy left do you? The system worked pretty well from my standpoint and with a little democracy we can help others get feedback on movie PQ and add value.
 

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Is your TV calibrated ? I don't think it deserve to be any lower than Tier 2.

Yes, calibrated 112" screen being viewed from DLP projector, as well as watching it on a 61" LCOS rear projection set. This is Talladega Nights/The Fifth Element territory when it comes to picture quality at the worst parts. And it's not that it doesn't look good in parts, but it's completely inconsistent and the bad parts are really, really bad. And I think, if this Tier thread is still about picture quality, the picture has to be judged on it's worst images if there are this many of them or the quality varies so wildly so often. Just my opinion.
 

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Good Question - Open to Suggestions; perhaps replies within the polling thread concerning placement should be reviewed and used to determine where within the winning tier it goes. For example if Tier 3 gets the most votes and only one person gives feedback as to where it belongs within tier 3 that'd be where I'd put it...


Sounds good. However, your poll has a Tier 0-4, but there is a Tier 5. Is that a forum limitation? If so, will you be merging Tiers 4 and 5 in the thread?
 

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Is it AustinSTI or Fetta wannabe?

N/M. Taken to PM.
 

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Don't forget Weeds season 1. I vote for near the top of tier 3 or maybe mid tier 2. Its inconsistent. Still bought it and love the show though !
 

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BLack Hawk Down need to be top of tier 1 or bottom of tier 0.
 

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I am not sure how Apocalypto, and Casino Royale (Teir 2?!) were put so low on the list. Also Pirates CoTB should be in Tier 1. And how can MI:3 be well above Apocalypto and Casino Royale with the crushed blacks?
 

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I am not sure how Apocalypto, and Casino Royale (Teir 2?!) were put so low on the list. Also Pirates CoTB should be in Tier 1. And how can MI:3 be well above Apocalypto and Casino Royale with the crushed blacks?

I second that.
 

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I saw Sleepy Hollow on opening day and the BD looks EXACTLY like it did in the theaters and exactly how Tim Burton wanted it to look, grainy and bleached out. As a tranfer, I'd say it's above average. I understand if people don't dig the look but the transfer itself is pretty accurate IMHO.
 

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I saw Sleepy Hollow on opening day and the BD looks EXACTLY like it did in the theaters and exactly how Tim Burton wanted it to look, grainy and bleached out. As a tranfer, I'd say it's above average. I understand if people don't dig the look but the transfer itself is pretty accurate IMHO.

Same with Rattle & Hum and Traffic. However, I understand not recommending these for picture reference.
 

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I am not sure how Apocalypto, and Casino Royale (Teir 2?!) were put so low on the list. Also Pirates CoTB should be in Tier 1. And how can MI:3 be well above Apocalypto and Casino Royale with the crushed blacks?

I second that too. Apocalypto belongs in Tier 0.
 

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Video artifacts are a common result of the amount of damage the original master copy of the film has sustained over time; but they can also be a result of the process used to transfer a film into a digital media. A bobbed image is, simply put, the process of upconverting a picture with a resolution of 480-scan lines to 1080p, creating jaggies or stair-stepping.

I agree with the need for this thread, however there is some misinformation here.


1) Video artifacts are not a result of the original film elements. They result from the compression codec's attempt at rendering all of the film elements' detail accurately. For example, highly compressed high-contrast images can result in "mosquito noise" around the boarders of the different colors. This did not appear on the original film. Grain & dirt, which can hinder picture quality, are inherent in the film, and therefore are not video artifacts.


2) Bobbing is not up-converting from standard def. It is a method of creating a 1080p/24fps file from a 1080i/30fps original. If the image is not processed correctly, the resulting file interpolates the image to create new frames in-between the actual frames of the source master. This results in the indicated stair-stepping and so-forth. Stair-stepping and jaggies can also result from up-conversion, but "bobbing" is not SD to HD up-converting. With the exception of "Enron: Smartest Guys in the Room," I do not believe there are any titles that use original SD content up-converted to HD in the main feature (and that title, because of its archival footage/documentary style, is acceptable as such).


This isn't a rant. I just wanted to clarify. This is a good thread to have.
 

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Same with Rattle & Hum and Traffic. However, I understand not recommending these for picture reference.


agreed. I just got R+H and it actually looked a bit better than I was expecting after all the slams. No, it doesn't look great, but 1/2 was shot on 16mm which was then cropped and blown up to 35mm. The rest was shot using VERY fast film stock with the apertures probably wide open. I saw it in the theater and it looked pretty gritty there too.

It definitely could have looked better, I agree. There were some transfer gremlins but overall, for what it is, a gritty documentary, not THAT bad. The new DTS sound kicks all sorts of ass too....
 

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But remember, this has nothing to do with artistic intent (or does it now?), and everything to do with eye candy? That was at least the intent of the original thread. I mean, I love House of Flying Daggers, and the BD is the best that film is ever going to look, but it's definite Tier 5 material for the video quality.
 

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So ,another Tier thread where film that looked just as intended is given low marks because it looks like a pristine reproduction of the original.Another thread where the studio and compression engineers did a perfect job of transfer but they get low marks because it doesn't look like an XBox game.



Please call the thread the eye candy thread since PQ should be what it should look like not a nebulous ever changing concept of what we wish it were.


The movie 300 will be trashed here when it comes out if the studio does it's best and gives us a perfect transfer. Something wrong here.


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Considering it would be extremely difficult to determine precisely how close or far from the original the reproduction appears, I am happy to have a list that simply lists which discs have the most pristine/crystal clear/3d etc. image possible.


Posters can comment below the list to describe how accurate or faithful they feel the transfer is or is not. To find that information the search button will take care of the rest. No problem, I am just happy to have a tier list up again assuming it's the "eye candy list" :).


Thanks for reviving it.
 

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Apocolalypto to low

Xmen way to low

BHD to low


Fixed Apocalypto, BHD, and Casino to top of Tier 1. I took this from another forum since the original was deleted so it'll take some time to move around.


Apologies for the 4 tiers being available on the Blood Diamond thread; but its not tier 5 anyway.


Weeds Season 1 poll coming
 
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