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Notable differences comparing the 2016 to 2015 S/X models

Note: The below does not list the difference between each model upgrade within the 2016 series (see post 2) but rather simply the difference from the 2015 model it is replacing.

X6300W vs. X6200W:


Is there any expectation, beyond wishing and hoping, the x6300W will be able to process 13 channels, for a 9.1.4 setup, with an external amp?
 

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volume/sound quality

Really interested in the s920w, but on another thread there were a couple of posts critical of the volume. Specifically, the poster said that while watching broadcast tv, he had the volume totally maxed out and it wasnt too loud. There was a similar post about the lack of volume as well.

The specs really look great on this machine, but I am wondering if these volume concerns are valid. Can anyone give me some guidance on this?

Thanks.
 

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Really interested in the s920w, but on another thread there were a couple of posts critical of the volume. Specifically, the poster said that while watching broadcast tv, he had the volume totally maxed out and it wasnt too loud. There was a similar post about the lack of volume as well.

The specs really look great on this machine, but I am wondering if these volume concerns are valid. Can anyone give me some guidance on this?

Thanks.
Different models of HDMI player devices (including different models of cable TV decoders and DVRs) often output different levels of audio signals. Denon receivers let you set a different amount of gain on each of their HDMI inputs which normally are enough to compensate for those differences.
 
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Different models of HDMI player devices (including different models of cable TV decoders and DVRs) often output different levels of audio signals. Denon receivers let you set a different amount of gain on each of their HDMI inputs which normally are enough to compensate for those differences.
I dont have any experience with any Denon recievers, so what you are telling me, is that I probably dont need to have any concerns about the volume settings as being an issue, since I can adjust each HDMI input to compensate
 

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I dont have any experience with any Denon recievers, so what you are telling me, is that I probably dont need to have any concerns about the volume settings as being an issue, since I can adjust each HDMI input to compensate
In principle, that's correct.

However, I'd suggest getting one from an authorized dealer which has a generous return policy, just in case you find its adjustments inadequate. In many cases, you can return equipment within a few weeks with no questions asked.
 

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Really interested in the s920w, but on another thread there were a couple of posts critical of the volume. Specifically, the poster said that while watching broadcast tv, he had the volume totally maxed out and it wasnt too loud. There was a similar post about the lack of volume as well.

The specs really look great on this machine, but I am wondering if these volume concerns are valid. Can anyone give me some guidance on this?

Thanks.
After running Audyssey, movie reference level is set to 0db/80 such that for most owners, average volume levels will be 50-70% of maximum as the Denon also uses a logarithmic volume scale so in most cases you'll be > 50% on the volume dial. Also, it depends on whether the owner has 8-ohm (easier to drive) or 4-ohm (harder to drive) speakers.
 

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In principle, that's correct.

However, I'd suggest getting one from an authorized dealer which has a generous return policy, just in case you find its adjustments inadequate. In many cases, you can return equipment within a few weeks with no questions asked.

I am headed for Best Buy shortly. Thanks for the help.

After running Audyssey, movie reference level is set to 0db/80 such that for most owners, average volume levels will be 50-70% of maximum. Also, it depends on whether the owner has 8-ohm (easier to drive) or 4-ohm (harder to drive) speakers.
Really great information. That is really helpful. Thank you.
 

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So do the 2016 models finally get an upgraded 18GHz 4K scaler chip? Do we finally get true 4:4:4 color w/ GUI overlay and HDR at 2160p60?
I was seriously considering cheaping out and grabbing a Denon X2200w ---until I read this. Are the standard 4K TV's capable of doing this? I wasn't really noting many differences between 2200 and 2300 as others have noted.
 

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So do the 2016 models finally get an upgraded 18GHz 4K scaler chip? Do we finally get true 4:4:4 color w/ GUI overlay and HDR at 2160p60?
Just as the X3200W and higher 2015 models can do this, so to shall the X3300W and higher 2016 models. However, in most cases the TV will likely do a much better job of actual upscaling.
 

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Just as the X3200W and higher 2015 models can do this, so to shall the X3300W and higher 2016 models. However, in most cases the TV will likely do a much better job of actual upscaling.
Except that the 2015 models can't. They can scale and have a GUI screen overlay at 2160p60, yes, but only with 4:2:0 color. You can get 4:4:4 color, but only at 24/30/50 FPS on the 2015 models. 4:4:4 color at 60 FPS is important for the gamers among us (4:2:0 ravages text).
 

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Just as the X3200W and higher 2015 models can do this, so to shall the X3300W and higher 2016 models. However, in most cases the TV will likely do a much better job of actual upscaling.
Except that the 2015 models can't. They can scale and have a GUI screen overlay at 2160p60, yes, but only with 4:2:0 color. You can get 4:4:4 color, but only at 24/30/50 FPS on the 2015 models. 4:4:4 color at 60 FPS is important for the gamers among us (4:2:0 ravages text).
Along those lines, can the 2016 920W and 2300W models pass full RGB (0-255) over HDMI and maintain it after upscaling to 1080p? Or do they only process limited RGB (16-235)?
 

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New S920W

Well, finally made a decision, and picked up my new S920W, yesterday, and installed it yesterday.

Paired the reciever up with a 65" 4k Samsung u8550, 4k Samsung UHD BR player, and an Apple TV. Everything paired up on the first try. I was really happy about that!

My set up is in a room about 12x15, so, the Denon has plenty of power, and I have been playing with the settings trying to adjust the gains on the volume. The adjustments are there, but i just need to continue to learn how to do it. I actually, found the remote easy to use, and a significant improvement over what I had previously (yamaha V663).

One question, has anyone posted any kind of a "standard" settings listing or chart? To this point, I have seen there are a number of combinations, and I am on a steep learning curve. Dont want to mess up a good thing.:)
 

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I have been playing with the settings trying to adjust the gains on the volume. The adjustments are there, but i just need to continue to learn how to do it.
Do not be surprised to find that the volume levels among different services (cable TV, Netflix, Hulu, etc), and even among programming on an individual service, are not consistent. There is an annoying difference in levels between Netflix, YouTube, and HBO GO all three on the same Roku streamer.
 

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Do not be surprised to find that the volume levels among different services (cable TV, Netflix, Hulu, etc), and even among programming on an individual service, are not consistent. There is an annoying difference in levels between Netflix, YouTube, and HBO GO all three on the same Roku streamer.
You are absolutely correct. I have already found that out switching out from Bluray to TV. The tv volume just about blew me out of the house.:eek: I need to fix that!
 

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Whoa! The X3300W is getting Audyssey MultEQ XT32? That's awesome.

Do we have any idea when in June it's coming? Does anyone have a compelling reason why I should consider the X4300W? On paper, the step-up features don't seem that great to me.
 

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Whoa! The X3300W is getting Audyssey MultEQ XT32? That's awesome.

Do we have any idea when in June it's coming? Does anyone have a compelling reason why I should consider the X4300W? On paper, the step-up features don't seem that great to me.
The reason to step up to the X4300W is primarily for the ability to expand to a 9ch setup (via external amp) -- if you're doing immersive audio then more speakers = more better, and the 4300 can run a 7.1.2 or 5.1.4 setup, whereas the 3300 is a 7ch unit, period.

There are quite a few other upgrades as well, such as the 3rd HDMI output (2 for main zone + the Zone 2 output), the 3rd zone capability, extra speaker posts / pre-outs for more flexibility, 32-bit DACs, etc. But the 9ch capability is the one that will get most people to jump up a level.
 
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