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How does this works?
Can people hear a difference, and how will this be against a Marantz 7704 or 8805?
This isn't really a new feature, as it was available on previous models like the X7200W and 4520CI. To be honest, I consider it essentially a marketing gimmick with dubious real world benefits. The amps are disconnected from the signal input but they aren't "turned off", they just sit there idling with no signal. So maybe there's some tiny incremental benefit in from disconnecting them. But I wouldn't make my decision based on this feature.

Personally, if you're looking for a cheaper inroad into separates, I'd rather use the "free amps" in the unit to power the less important channels (e.g. overheads, back surrounds) and get better amps for the more important channels. This hybrid approach where you use some receiver amps + some separate amps is a lot better value.
 

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My first step is to wire up a pair of extra Triad speakers I have sitting around in a Front Wide position. A couple of things I will be looking to test right away are:

1. Confirming that DSU will upmix to Front Wide speakers for full 9.1.4 output with legacy content
2. Confirming that DTS:X / Neural:X are indeed limited to 11ch output max, and which speakers are active in which situations
Up and running yet?

Us internet buddies are dying for pics and info ;)
 
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This isn't really a new feature, as it was available on previous models like the X7200W and 4520CI. To be honest, I consider it essentially a marketing gimmick with dubious real world benefits. The amps are disconnected from the signal input but they aren't "turned off", they just sit there idling with no signal. So maybe there's some tiny incremental benefit in from disconnecting them. But I wouldn't make my decision based on this feature.

Personally, if you're looking for a cheaper inroad into separates, I'd rather use the "free amps" in the unit to power the less important channels (e.g. overheads, back surrounds) and get better amps for the more important channels. This hybrid approach where you use some receiver amps + some separate amps is a lot better value.
So does this give more power to the other amps...?
 

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Geez, you guys are impatient! :p

Unfortunately, didn't have time/energy to set up last night after a long day of work and then getting the kiddos to bed. I'm going to hook up and play around this weekend though, so stay tuned!
 

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Geez, you guys are impatient! :p

Unfortunately, didn't have time/energy to set up last night after a long day of work and then getting the kiddos to bed. I'm going to hook up and play around this weekend though, so stay tuned!
OMG, and you call yourself an enthusiast! :D Kidding of course...looking forward to the updates this weekend.
 
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Yes. The fewer internal amps that are used provides more available power to speakers connected to the speaker posts. :)
Well, right - isn't that how all receivers work? :)

What does this Denon "feature" actually do that is different?
 

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Does Denon have different front fascias for different markets?

Various pictures of the 8500 look different - one shows it with silver badging - others show it with gold badging and that INCommand badge.




 

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Does Denon have different front fascias for different markets?

Various pictures of the 8500 look different - one shows it with silver badging - others show it with gold badging and that INCommand badge.
Correct. Although all of the Denon USA "X" series models show the "InCommand" badge, in other regions (eg. UK, AU) they don't display it.
 

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This isn't really a new feature, as it was available on previous models like the X7200W and 4520CI. To be honest, I consider it essentially a marketing gimmick with dubious real world benefits. The amps are disconnected from the signal input but they aren't "turned off", they just sit there idling with no signal. So maybe there's some tiny incremental benefit in from disconnecting them. But I wouldn't make my decision based on this feature.

Personally, if you're looking for a cheaper inroad into separates, I'd rather use the "free amps" in the unit to power the less important channels (e.g. overheads, back surrounds) and get better amps for the more important channels. This hybrid approach where you use some receiver amps + some separate amps is a lot better value.
Thank you for the answer.

I have a Nad M25 for power in my 5.1.2 system.
For the moment I use a Denon 3400 as "pre", earlier I had the Emotiva Xmc-1 but wanted to use my Atmos and 4k HDR system.

Going to upgrade but Emotiva are slow so looking to Denon 8500 maybe. Perhaps Marantz 8012, 7704 or 8805.
But I need to be sure so I can keep it for some time. :)
 

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from x6300 to x8500 is it worth it ?

i just place order x8500h upgraded from 6300 . is it worth it ? i order 2 xtra pair svs high sp . from 7.4 to 15.1 .
 

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Here's a nice little tidbit for those of you not using a RS-232 controller. To add and be able to access these additional source labels to your unit using either the Denon or Harmony remote, simply press/hold the DOWN arrow and BACK buttons while powering on the AVR, Enjoy!






Will the above work to get Aux3-Aux7 on the 8500H?
 

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As pr JD request i am moving it to this thread:


Thank you Nalleh, I guess I just need someone to teach me exactly what config & total speakers etc. I must do as it is kinda confusing for this old man. IOW using only the 8500H with 13 ch & AMPS for a 7.1.6 Atmos & Auro 3D config you do in the page diagram JD listed in his post but...

Now JD did this but showed a "15.1" config so I am unsure if another AVR would be needed for the 15.1 since the 8500 only is 13.2 capable. The VOG I assume would not run off of the 2nd sub out like the current 6300H. Either I am plain dumb or I am not asking my question specific enough or maybe I am not making myself clear enough. I currently have a 7.1.4 + a VOG on sub #2 out now on the 6300H.

To power the 6300H 2nd sub out for the VOG I am forced to use another AVR. So would I still need to use this 2nd AVR or will the 8500H be enough for a 7.1.6 Atmos & Auro 3D 13.1? Where I get confused is when JD mentioned the 15.1, but I only have 12 speakers total now, 7 on the floor + 4 ceiling + the VOG. Would I need more speakers or another AVR to do 15.1? :rolleyes:
If you want 7.1.5 as you have today, the 8500 is MORE than capable of doing that all alone, and no need for Sub2 pre-out either, as JD’s diagram shows.

Since the diagram shows both a 7.1.6 Atmos setup and a Auro 13.1 setup where they use slightly different ceiling speakers, that is where the 15.1 config comes from. Atmos uses 13 of the 15 speakers connected(7.1+FH+TM+RH), and Auro uses 13 of those 15(7.1+FH+RH+TS+CH), and the AVR switches automatically.


Your setup would be the bottom pne on this page:

http://manuals.denon.com/avrx8500h/na/en/DRDZSYzojpzxwn.php
 
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I just added an update to the above as I was working on it. Thanks for moving the info btw. We are getting closer to full clarity:

Currently I have a total of 12 speakers + 1 sub. From what I understand then is I can add the 2 TM speakers = TML & TMR & connections and the 1 CH speaker & connection & that would equate the full 13 ch & the full 13 8500H amped channels playable by the 8500. The current VOG would be used by both formats as needed. Finally! This is what I needed to understand! lol TY!

I apologize for not understanding this sooner. If they updated the 8500H manual to add the above sentence...

:)
Correct. Exept VOG is not active in Atmos. Let me put it this way: the Atmos and Auro setup we speak of here, use the same 11 speakers, and the difference is in Atmos the Top Middle is active(2 speakers) while in Auro the Top Surround+Center Height is active(2 speakers)= 13 on both.
 
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I just added an update to the above as I was working on it. Thanks for moving the info btw. We are getting closer to full clarity:

Currently I have a total of 12 speakers + 1 sub. From what I understand then is I can add the 2 TM speakers = TML & TMR & connections and the 1 CH speaker & connection & that would equate the full 13 ch & the full 13 8500H amped channels playable by the 8500. The current VOG would be used by both formats as needed & be called the TS or CH.

I think in the diagram which I will post again below is the issue by not being clear. As it states "OR" for the CH & TS meaning not them both for Auro 3D config which would equate only 12 amped channels.
Correct. Exept VOG is not active in Atmos. Let me put it this way: the Atmos and Auro setup we speak of here, use the same 11 speakers, and the difference is in Atmos the Top Middle is active(2 speakers) while in Auro the Top Surround+Center Height is active(2 speakers)= 13 on both.
Thanks Nalleh. I added to my prior post as I was in update mode. The manual confused me & possibly others with the "OR" part. Hopefully going forward we saved others from this potential headache.

Looks like I will need to buy 3 more speakers the TML & TMR & CH. lol

:)
 

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I think in the diagram which I will post again below is the issue by not being clear. As it states "OR" for the CH & TS meaning not them both for Auro 3D config which would equate only 12 amped channels.
I agree, the «or» can be misleading, but just think of is «optional». You can pretty much do whatever Auro setup you want with this unit, from 9.1 up to 13.1.
 
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I agree, the «or» can be misleading, but just think of is «optional». You can pretty much do whatever Auro setup you want with this unit, from 9.1 up to 13.1.
You my friend are awesome.

I have been taking notes on a few major things I will need to do like:

1) turning the auto update to "ON" as it is defaulted to off for some odd reason. :rolleyes:

2) The 4K signal format must be set to "enhanced" for 4K @ 60Hz. Yup it is defaulted to off.

3) In the audyssey setup and config make sure you set the fronts & backs to "floor layout" 5ch + SB and height SP to 8ch as the below diagram shows.

4) Make sure all your HDMI's are certified full spec & beware of equipment placement as certain things like cordless phones & gateways can cause hum or hiss interferences in your speakers especially if you have self powered subs in them like my 2 main front Definitive BP7001SC do. A few years ago I found out a gateway was creating a feedback loop in 1 of them as the gateway was too close. Took forever to figure that one out...

4) Plus a few other things I can't remember just now...

Do we really have to be rocket scientists to go through this full process & I wonder if TPTB realize this? Thank goodness for these threads and the owners because the techs at any place at times know very little, we all know this.

Does anyone else see the contradiction in wording and meaning of the asterisk paragraph on the bottom right of the diagram in the pictorial below? lol "Use surround heights" initially...but then it says "install rear heights instead of surround heights"!!! :rolleyes: & screams...

:)
 

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OK...

I am torn between the Denon 8500 and the Marantz 8012.

If you take away the price difference - and the fact that one is 13.2 and one is 11.2...

Which is the "better" option for 70% music 30% movies?

What are the other differences - just the toroidal transformer?

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