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Does anyone else see the contradiction in wording and meaning of the asterisk paragraph on the bottom right of the diagram in the pictorial below? lol "Use surround heights" initially...but then it says "install rear heights instead of surround heights"!!! :rolleyes: & screams...:)
That caveat is explaining that you can designate that pair as either surround height or rear height for Auro, but if you want that same speaker pair to be recognized with an Atmos source signal you must use the latter labelling since Dolby Atmos/DSU does not recognize the surround height designation.
 
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That caveat is explaining that you can designate that pair as either surround height or rear height for Auro, but if you want that same speaker pair to be recognized with an Atmos source signal you must use the latter labelling since Dolby Atmos/DSU does not recognize the surround height designation.
Good caveat chi_guy50. I spect the notion to use the surround height designate is for lesser than the 13.1 config I am shooting for.

BTW I just got an email from D & M tech and I agreed to their offer for my 6300H for trade in on the 8500H. He said he will now forward the info to corporate to send me the finer details of the 6300H return shipment and receiving of the 8500H.

Not really looking forward to pulling out my big Tv & stand with all those wires but this is the caveat in upgrading. What takes a normal person 2 hours to complete sadly takes me 2 days...but in the end I can do it at least. Which is > :cool:
 

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Since the diagram shows both a 7.1.6 Atmos setup and a Auro 13.1 setup where they use slightly different ceiling speakers, that is where the 15.1 config comes from. Atmos uses 13 of the 15 speakers connected(7.1+FH+TM+RH), and Auro uses 13 of those 15(7.1+FH+RH+TS+CH), and the AVR switches automatically.


Your setup would be the bottom pne on this page:

http://manuals.denon.com/avrx8500h/na/en/DRDZSYzojpzxwn.php
And, taking advantage of the X8500H's 15.2 speaker calibration capability, I assume that one can substitute FW speakers in lieu of TM and still enjoy automatic switching between Dolby Atmos (or DTS:X/Neural:X) 9.1.4 and Auro 13.1 (7.1+FH+RH+TS+CH).

If I am suitably impressed with my first exposure to Auro, I might be tempted to install my spare set of 80F/X-RT's in the above configuration, recognizing that the FH/RH pairing might entail a slight compromise over TF/TR for Atmos. Otherwise, since I would rather enjoy Atmos 9.1.4 over 7.1.6, there is not much chance at present that I would want to go to the trouble of mounting a third set of overhead speakers in my rather small space.

I am hopeful that batpig, and/or JD, will be able to provide us with some feedback on this score once they get their new X8500H's up and running.
 
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And, taking advantage of the X8500H's 15.2 speaker calibration capability, I assume that one can substitute FW speakers in lieu of TM and still enjoy automatic switching between Dolby Atmos (or DTS:X/Neural:X) 9.1.4 and Auro 13.1 (7.1+FH+RH+TS+CH).
Correct.

However DTS still has a 11.1 limit, so 7.1.4 only on that format.
 
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Correct.

However DTS still has a 11.1 limit, so 7.1.4 only on that format.
I have no personal experience with DTS:X, but I believe I have read that one can overlay Neural:X on DTS:X. Would that not provide matrixed FW?
 

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I have no personal experience with DTS:X, but I believe I have read that one can overlay Neural:X on DTS:X. Would that not provide matrixed FW?
Yes, if you disable another set of speakers, like height2 or surround backs. Otherwise it would result in more than the 11.1 limit, agreed?
 

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Yes, if you disable another set of speakers, like height2 or surround backs. Otherwise it would result in more than the 11.1 limit, agreed?
Yes, that would appear to be the case (see footnote *2 on p. 320 of the Owner's Manual) although I was hoping that this processor would provide the same 13ch output for DTS:X as for Atmos even if it entailed matrixing.
 
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For anyone who might be interested in the silver X8500H, I see that trusted retailer abt.com is showing it available for special order along with the traditional (for the North American market) black model.
 
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Hi
Just went into best buy and ask them about x8500h
Unless you take the extra Bust Buy extended warranty for $$$$ with them if something go wrong with it you have to deal with Denon direct !!!
So what is the point buying other than online
My order is going in to av JD as soon as my friend conferm he will have my old 6200
 

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Unboxing porn requested, and the Dude abides.

Some comparison shots showing how much the 8500 dwarfs the 6300!

Also a comparison of the remotes, not the small LCD screen and ?macro? buttons at the bottom.
 

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Unboxing porn requested, and the Dude abides.

Some comparison shots showing how much the 8500 dwarfs the 6300!

Also a comparison of the remotes, not the small LCD screen and ?macro? buttons at the bottom.
WOW! That really brings it home!
 

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It?s LITERALLY in my home!
 

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As pr JD request i am moving it to this thread:




If you want 7.1.5 as you have today, the 8500 is MORE than capable of doing that all alone, and no need for Sub2 pre-out either, as JD’s diagram shows.

Since the diagram shows both a 7.1.6 Atmos setup and a Auro 13.1 setup where they use slightly different ceiling speakers, that is where the 15.1 config comes from. Atmos uses 13 of the 15 speakers connected(7.1+FH+TM+RH), and Auro uses 13 of those 15(7.1+FH+RH+TS+CH), and the AVR switches automatically.


Your setup would be the bottom pne on this page:

http://manuals.denon.com/avrx8500h/na/en/DRDZSYzojpzxwn.php
Is there a diagram for wiring 5.1 plus FW plus Top Rear, Top Middle, and Top Front (ceiling speakers, not wall height speakers)? Rear Surround base speakers tend to get blocked by headrests.
 

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A bit of sad news from early testing. It appears the unprecedented DSU capability of upmixing to the front wide speakers is a typo in the manual :(
 
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A bit of sad news from early testing. It appears the unprecedented DSU capability of upmixing to the front wide speakers is a typo in the manual :(
Wow, sorry to hear that for those that were going that route. For me it is moot though.

I seen on the USA Denon site in the specs for the 8500H TPTB also had the weight off quite a bit. I emailed em' so hopefully they will correct it.

Looking forward to your deeper review of all other aspects BP. I have the 6300H and dwarfed it was! lol

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A bit of sad news from early testing. It appears the unprecedented DSU capability of upmixing to the front wide speakers is a typo in the manual :(
Wow, how did that happen?!?
So when you press info, they are not shown as active either?
 

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It's the same diagram, rather simply, the SBL/SBR speakers are not connected and the FWL/FWR are connected to the Height 4/Front Wide speaker posts. :)
Ehhh, didn’t we discuss this earlier: you can not have wides and 6 heights in Atmos ?
 

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A bit of sad news from early testing. It appears the unprecedented DSU capability of upmixing to the front wide speakers is a typo in the manual :(

If this really proves to be the case, I for one am hugely disappointed- particularly as DTS-Neural X is also limited to just 11 channels. While I’m looking at the Marantz equivalent pre-pro, the Denon and Marantz are so similar in their operation that I can assume the same limitation will apply.

Having wired for 9.1.4 in the full expectation of being able to use all 9 base level speakers at all times, this is a massive blow. So much so that I may even reconsider buying the 8805, and pick up an end of line 8802A, which are selling for pretty much half-price here in the UK. I’m now struggling to see the benefit in having 9 base level speakers when the vast majority of my movie collection doesn’t have Atmos encoded sound tracks.

Seriously (re)considering my options now.:(
 
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