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Good afternoon. I tried to send d-nice this question via PM but got no responce as yet so maybe I can ask it here. Between these two sets what is your opinion how they might compare out of the box and how they might compare with pro calibration? Thank you

This is the 8G settings thread. You need to go to the 9G thread as the 6020 is a 9G model.


However, since this is a Pioneer thread (and most of us are Pioneer owners
) you will get the Pioneer is "better".


"Out of the box" no real judgements should be made on either panel until after break in (I did not believe that a "break in" made a difference and now with my 2 8Gs and installing several Panny's now am a "believer" in the process).


Post break in and any professional calibration, the Pioneer will be the hands down winner in PQ - no question. Doesn't mean the Panny will be "bad" by no means but won't compare to what the 9Gs can do.


I believe D-Nice is now doing calibrations professionally and bet he is very swamped.....
 

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Good afternoon. I tried to send d-nice this question via PM but got no responce as yet so maybe I can ask it here. Between these two sets what is your opinion how they might compare out of the box and how they might compare with pro calibration? Thank you

Do you have any doubt about which D-Nice would pick?



There are a ton of these comparisons around if you Google, but if you want to address it again on this forum, you'll probably get better results if you try the 9G thread. That's where the 6020 owners hang out.


Edit: While I was finding the link, I see that Duck05 gave a good answer.
 

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is this the first time you are setting up the guide?


if you had the guide before and it went away (showing "no listing"...don't panic.....yet. i have 3 devices with TVGOS and they all have expeienced loss of guides in the last one month; the worst is the 5080.


the guide comes back, but sometimes it takes upto 3 days.


if you never the guide before, what is your set up?

thanks for the reply. This isn't the first time, it was working fine for the past year or so. One day, channels were missing from the guide and the "no listing" appeared. So i tried to start from scratch, doing a rescan and re-run the setup. Now I am where I am. I guess I just need to wait? Also, I am scanning OTA not cable or sat. I wonder what is causing this?
 

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first question, is your OTA on input A or B?


so i don't think there is anything wrong with your panel. th guide on my 70 series pio for solid for 3 years only recently it has gone into the state of "no listing".


the reason is that (as you might know) the data for the guide has been till now sent over the VBI of analog channels, generally a pbs channel. as the broadcasters get ready for the digital transition. they may have discontinued supporting the guide on that channel.


per the company that makes TVGOS, the recent versions of the guide can get from digital channels if supported in your area


the best thing to right now is to restart the guide and wait. if after 3 day you don't get any listings, most likely the data is missing on the analog channels. and if you are not connected to input A (digital), or your OTA cannot pull the digital signals, you have to get a new antenna and try it on input A.



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thanks for the reply. This isn't the first time, it was working fine for the past year or so. One day, channels were missing from the guide and the "no listing" appeared. So i tried to start from scratch, doing a rescan and re-run the setup. Now I am where I am. I guess I just need to wait? Also, I am scanning OTA not cable or sat. I wonder what is causing this?
 

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HELP! last night I decided to calibrate my hdmi input on my 5080.after I exited the sm I rechecked my work as I always do and found that I did not keep my work;I went back in but when I checked it in sm it was right as it was.WHAT GIVES
 

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Make sure your doing your tweeks in the right table. A 1080p 24fps signal will get you into the 60vs table and a 1080i/720p signal will have you in the 50vs table.


There's another table for the VGA input as well. It's called the TBL4/60ps and it to can be calibrated seperatley, though the lower RGB part of the settings won't do anything to balance the colours or dial in the grey scale. They'll just be left at their default of 512.
 

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How do you install a cable card in the PDP-5010FD? I have Charter Cable in Long Beach, CA. The cable guy came by last night and when he inserted the card, a window popped up with an error code that says that something was preventing the set from scanning for channels. I have been using cable without a box with no problem, but the tech support said that I would need a box in June when the change to digital occurs even though I have a digital tuner that works fine in my tv and another one that works fine in my HTPC. I called them to order a box for my dad's house( I by passed it three months ago because three boxes in a row went bad) and asked about my situation also.
 

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How do you install a cable card in the PDP-5010FD? I have Charter Cable in Long Beach, CA. The cable guy came by last night and when he inserted the card, a window popped up with an error code that says that something was preventing the set from scanning for channels. I have been using cable without a box with no problem, but the tech support said that I would need a box in June when the change to digital occurs even though I have a digital tuner that works fine in my tv and another one that works fine in my HTPC. I called them to order a box for my dad's house( I by passed it three months ago because three boxes in a row went bad) and asked about my situation also.

That tech is a moron. The digital switch has nothing to do with cable, cable boxes or cable cards.


If you have a cable box it will continue to work. If you decide to cancel cable you will get OTA channels fine because the TV has a built in digital tuner.
 

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I have never used a cable box, so I did not think I needed one after the change. Right now all of my source tuners get duplicate channels. I should only lose the analog version of the channels. But will the cable card enable me to receive more channels than I already do? I am not interested in premium channels. My OTA comes in perfect with my Wineguard HD antennae, but of course no sports channels on it.
 

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I have never used a cable box, so I did not think I needed one after the change. Right now all of my source tuners get duplicate channels. I should only lose the analog version of the channels. But will the cable card enable me to receive more channels than I already do? I am not interested in premium channels. My OTA comes in perfect with my Wineguard HD antennae, but of course no sports channels on it.

If you have cable then you won't even lose the analog channels -- the switch is ONLY for analog over the air. Cable companies can continue their analog service for 100 years if they want to.
 

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i never had a cable box either but have 2 cablecards, one for over 2 yrs now. the reason is---


----without a cablecard (now or after the digital transition) you will get only a few basic channels like abs, nbs, cbs, fox which are generally available over-the-air. if you want the usual cable channels like espn, history, tbs nick, etc (most of them now available in high-def.) you need either a cable STB or a cablecard.


there is one more piece of the not so well publicized puzzle called SDV (switched digital video). many cable companies will be using this technology to increase available channels. this technology requires two-way multi-stream cable box or cablecard. while such a cablecard has been developed (called the type M card) i have not seen any confirmation that the 8G or 9G pios will work in the SDV environment using type M card.


add: many new tvs, including pio have discontinued the cablecard-slot anyway.

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I have never used a cable box, so I did not think I needed one after the change. Right now all of my source tuners get duplicate channels. I should only lose the analog version of the channels. But will the cable card enable me to receive more channels than I already do? I am not interested in premium channels. My OTA comes in perfect with my Wineguard HD antennae, but of course no sports channels on it.
 

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hi guys. i'm trying to access the service menu to make some adjustment listed, but there is no "DISPLAY" button in my remote ? i have pioneer pdp-508xg and the remote is AXD1554. is this right ?
 

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Updated 4/12/2008


Pioneer Elite 110FD/150FD Day Settings

Main Menu:

AV Selection: User

Contrast: 40

Brightness: +1

Color: +6

Tint: R1

Sharpness: -15



[Note:
  • Day mode is for daytime viewing (before 4PM) and/or high level of ambient lighting.
  • D55 mode is for old black and white movies that were mastered to this color temperature.

Hi Dnice, did you ever do any ISF for the 150? I am using Controlcalc.


Thanks in advance!


JJ
 

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hi guys. i'm trying to access the service menu to make some adjustment listed, but there is no "DISPLAY" button in my remote ? i have pioneer pdp-508xg and the remote is AXD1554. is this right ?

The various adjustments listed in this thread are for U.S.A. models only. Your 508XG is a South Asian/Australian/NZ model that is quite different from my U.S.A. 5080 version. We don't have any color management tools in the user menus of our displays, so if we want to make our grayscales more accurate, we have to go into the service menu to change our RGB High and Low settings.


Your 508XG, however, does have color management abilities in your user menu - so there's no need for you to go into the service menu to tweak your grayscale. On page 30, your owner's manual tells how to make RGB adjustments to Color Temp, and at page 31 gives you even more adjustability by allowing you to choose between Color Spaces 1 and 2, and to adjust all 6 primary and secondary colors.


So with all those abilities, you can forget about having to play the silly tricks to get the most out of your display that we American non-Elite Kuro owners do.
 

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The various adjustments listed in this thread are for U.S.A. models only. Your 508XG is a South Asian/Australian/NZ model that is quite different from my U.S.A. 5080 version. We don't have any color management tools in the user menus of our displays, so if we want to make our grayscales more accurate, we have to go into the service menu to change our RGB High and Low settings.


Your 508XG, however, does have color management abilities in your user menu - so there's no need for you to go into the service menu to tweak your grayscale. On page 30, your owner's manual tells how to make RGB adjustments to Color Temp, and at page 31 gives you even more adjustability by allowing you to choose between Color Spaces 1 and 2, and to adjust all 6 primary and secondary colors.


So with all those abilities, you can forget about having to play the silly tricks to get the most out of your display that we American non-Elite Kuro owners do.

ah i c. no wonder none of the adjustment looks right in my eyes. i have tried numerous of them. can you also pls advise if there is/are a/some settings available for my model ? i'm interested to fine tune the image.


appreciate the advice.


thanks.
 

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ah i c. no wonder none of the adjustment looks right in my eyes. i have tried numerous of them. can you also pls advise if there is/are a/some settings available for my model ? i'm interested to fine tune the image.


appreciate the advice.


thanks.

You won't find proper settings for your display on this forum. You might want to join these folks , who seem to focus on display models sold in your part of the world (the link will take you directly to someone's 508XG settings).
 

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I had my Pioneer PDP-5010 ISF calibrated last week by Mark Kaye. I live in Ottawa, Canada and have found it difficult to find ISF calibrators here. Mark operates in the Eastern Ontario/Western Quebec region. He was extremely knowledgeable in every aspect of his job. He was very pleasant and explained everything he was doing. He spent more than 4 hours at my home. His equipment was high quality and the results were very accurate. It was worth every cent!


It is absolutely amazing the difference calibration makes with Blu-ray movies and my HD Cable box. The colours look very natural and detail in dark scenes like in Batman and Hellboy II are astounding. The Kuro's black levels are amazing out of the box, but wait till you see what it looks like dialed in. All I can say is WOW!!



I had used D-Nices offsets and was very pleased with the results, but I knew that they weren't perfect because every TV that comes out of the factory is different. No two TV's are the same. Some one in this thread said that to buy a very expensive TV and then not spend the few hundred dollars to get it calibrated properly just doesn't make sense. I couldn't agree more. All you tweekers out there... you won't be satisfied till you get it set up professionally.
I spent the better part of a year messing around in the service menu and the user menu trying to get it right. Well I'm finally satisfied now. If I added up the cost of test pattern disc's and all my labour, it would be much more than the cost of calibration. I'm now going to sit back and enjoy my movies all over again.


Oh, by the way the attached pre/post Colorfacts file is done in Movie Mode. This is Mark's webpage for services offered. www.avfusion.ca


Thanks Mark, D-Nice and htwaits. You guys provide an invaluable service.


I too was able to have Mark Kaye in to calibrate my 5080 after about a year of trying different settings the folks here have recommended. All gave good results but none floored me. Mark spent last Friday afternoon calibrating and answering all my questions. We tried different modes and settings to see if anything would change the colorspace( none did). We settled on the colorspace that looks exactly like Brock1's.

I spent pretty much the entire weekend watching different movies I had to appreciate the difference Mark had made. I honestly can't say I was "wowed" immediately afterwords, mostly because my 5080 was pretty good before, and my expectations could only be met by buying a 111. That being said, I eventually found myself enjoying the movies more because I was not constantly looking at the picture quality instead of the movie. The best compliment came from my wife who said "the picture has more depth to it".

I would say it was money well spent and would have Mark back again to calibrate any future TV purchases.
 

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Sorry if this has already been asked, but can a 5080HD display at a 120hz refresh rate? I'm wondering if it's possible so I could try out some of the 3D display software that is available for PC's.


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Sorry if this has already been asked, but can a 5080HD display at a 120hz refresh rate? I'm wondering if it's possible so I could try out some of the 3D display software that is available for PC's.


Thanks.


I don't think so, 72hz is the highest.
 

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I have a retarded question. When calibrating a tv, you are using a dvd which can be played with an HTPC, laptop, or stand alone player. In the case of an HTPC or a laptop you are using the video card settings as the source. In the case of a stand alone player, you are using the video settings. How can you calibrate the tv for a regular cable, dish, or OTA source? Using a dvd to calibrate will be a setting for playing regular dvd's. If using a Blu Ray player, wouldn't you need a Blu Ray calibration disc? I realize you use the settings on the display to do the calibrating, but how do you determine what settings to use for the source?
 
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