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Don't believe for a second that Pioneer BD players are designed in-house. In order to do so, they will need to have an in-house R&D team... which they don't have. It's still TCL based that are used by various manufacturers. Don't get me wrong, I love my BDP-53. But at this day an age, not including wifi dongle for their asking price of $499 MSRP (and this goes to other brands too) is pathetic.


The new BDP-62 is identical to the current BDP-53 with the exception of Sound Retriever Link which is essentially an HDMI CEC command to tell your 6-series receiver to turn on Sound Retriever when a lossy codec is being played


PS: based on Pioneer Japan site, the new BD players can no longer play PAL and 1989/50i discs
 

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Originally Posted by David Susilo  /t/1390589/the-pioneer-bdp-61fd-63fd-150-450-lx56-2012-blu-ray-player-thread/30#post_22467761


The new BDP-62 is identical to the current BDP-53 with the exception of Sound Retriever Link

No more 480i/576i support.

Added 3GP and FLV file support.


Also it now says in the US 62FD manual that digital output can output 2CH PCM from SACD(DSD). My 140 can and I think the Elites from last year too but no mention in the manuals so this is the first time it is official in writing.
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PS: based on Pioneer Japan site, the new BD players can no longer play PAL and 1989/50i discs

But the US 62FD manual says there is a 50Hz indicator on the front panel and you can select 576p output resolution.
 

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According to the manual, separately sold. The 62FD at USD399 is $100 cheaper than the 53FD so think of it as an allowance towards the dongle.
 

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Here is a review of the 450
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2012/pioneer_bdp450.shtml


I think we have a winner...

One negative thing that I only saw after I read the review. This player cuts from the past, no analog outputs!!! It's the right way but still I would love to see some good old analogue outputs...
 

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Originally Posted by Rschissler  /t/1390589/the-pioneer-bdp-61fd-63fd-150-450-lx56-2012-blu-ray-player-thread/30#post_22498090


The link doesn't work for me.
Works for me fine... from my several PCs, w/firefox, and android mobile...


Guys I saw a bargain on the LX55, same price of the 450, what you Guys think between the 450 and the LX55??? From what model u choose??

I think that LX55 was with several problems, are those already iron out with the latest firmware???
 

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I watched a movie on my new BDP-150 (latest firmware) for the very first time last night. Halfway through the movie I paused it to get a drink and a snack. When I came back I pressed play again and the thing got totally stuck and didn't respond to the remote anymore. All I could do was turn it off and on again.

Not a great experience when using it for the very first time. Anyone else tried pausing it for a longer period of time and resuming play after that?

Also, the display is located so deep inside the player that it's of no use when you look at it from a vertical angle.
 

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Originally Posted by Nisei  /t/1390589/the-pioneer-bdp-61fd-63fd-150-450-lx56-2012-blu-ray-player-thread/30#post_22599812


I watched a movie on my new BDP-150 (latest firmware) for the very first time last night. Halfway through the movie I paused it to get a drink and a snack. When I came back I pressed play again and the thing got totally stuck and didn't respond to the remote anymore. All I could do was turn it off and on again.

Not a great experience when using it for the very first time. Anyone else tried pausing it for a longer period of time and resuming play after that?

Also, the display is located so deep inside the player that it's of no use when you look at it from a vertical angle.

FWIW, I had the same problem with a Sony BDP-S590 w/ a particular BD that had a Java-based screen saver that crashed after a lengthy pause. I'm just saying that the problem may not be the player.
 

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Yeah you could be right. I hate those discs which come with their own screensavers. I want to decide for myself if I use one or not.
 

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FYI - if you are talking about Universal Studios movies, that screensaver is the same they had used with the failed HD DVD movies. Pressing play will do nothing. On my Harmony One remote, I start it back playing again by pressing the up arrow key. That will wake up the player, turn off the screensaver, and begin the playback. Hope this helps.
 

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Originally Posted by WRX_Rocky  /t/1390589/the-pioneer-bdp-61fd-63fd-150-450-lx56-2012-blu-ray-player-thread/30#post_22620493


FYI - if you are talking about Universal Studios movies, that screensaver is the same they had used with the failed HD DVD movies. Pressing play will do nothing. On my Harmony One remote, I start it back playing again by pressing the up arrow key. That will wake up the player, turn off the screensaver, and begin the playback. Hope this helps.

Thanks for that... it was as you suggest and when it happened again I started playing with the remote, but I couldn't recall which key brought the player back to life. Up arrow it is...
 

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A while back there was a review of a great combo of a universal player (prior to the full proliferation of blu-rays and their players being well under $1K+) and pre-amp: Oppo DV-980HD and Integra DTC-9.8 (aka Onkyo PR-SC885p).

In fact, for multichannel SACD and DVD-A playback, I would take the Integra-Oppo combo over anything else I've had in this system. I'd been waiting years to experience SACD and DVD-A with decent room EQ and competent bass and channel management without redundant A/D/A conversions, and the experience came up to my expectations.


I still have the Onkyo version of that receiver (PR-SC885p) and I'm trying to ween myself off that Oppo DV-980HD that's been so faithful. I recently purchased for $129 on Cyber Monday the Pioneer BDP-150, and was so upset that DVD-A was not supported, nor was network drive FLAC. The trade-off was being able to play more of the content I've amassed that the 980 couldn't, without having to pay the $500+ premium their new line carries.


Is there anything in the $200 transport range that can do everything the Oppo could, plus Bluray, network file browsing, and has a decent DAC? I thought the Pioneer BDP-52FD, on clearance at Best Buy for $150, could be it, but in gaining DVD-A with a 2011 model, you lose FLAC. This is getting ridiculous on all the variant versions of mutual exclusivity Pioneer, Panasonic, and others throw out there for us to sift through.


Thanks a million,

///Arash
 

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Originally Posted by Arashjahn  /t/1390589/the-pioneer-bdp-61fd-63fd-150-450-lx56-2012-blu-ray-player-thread/30#post_22653712


A while back there was a review of a great combo of a universal player (prior to the full proliferation of blu-rays and their players being well under $1K+) and pre-amp: Oppo DV-980HD and Integra DTC-9.8 (aka Onkyo PR-SC885p).
In fact, for multichannel SACD and DVD-A playback, I would take the Integra-Oppo combo over anything else I've had in this system. I'd been waiting years to experience SACD and DVD-A with decent room EQ and competent bass and channel management without redundant A/D/A conversions, and the experience came up to my expectations.

I still have the Onkyo version of that receiver (PR-SC885p) and I'm trying to ween myself off that Oppo DV-980HD that's been so faithful. I recently purchased for $129 on Cyber Monday the Pioneer BDP-150, and was so upset that DVD-A was not supported, nor was network drive FLAC. The trade-off was being able to play more of the content I've amassed that the 980 couldn't, without having to pay the $500+ premium their new line carries.

Is there anything in the $200 transport range that can do everything the Oppo could, plus Bluray, network file browsing, and has a decent DAC? I thought the Pioneer BDP-52FD, on clearance at Best Buy for $150, could be it, but in gaining DVD-A with a 2011 model, you lose FLAC. This is getting ridiculous on all the variant versions of mutual exclusivity Pioneer, Panasonic, and others throw out there for us to sift through.

Thanks a million,

///Arash

Update...


I cracked open the Pioneer BDP-150 and found the following DAC: AK4430ET by AKM ( http://www.akm.com/datasheets/ak4430_f00e.pdf )

Apparently, it is also used in the ROKU 2 XS 3100R ( http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Roku_2_XS_3100R_Streaming_Media_Adapter-whatsinside-120.aspx )


So, it seems that Oppo's old unit still wins on sound quality when going from bit-stream to analog. I assume this only matters when you are playing MP3, FLAC, and CDs?


Here are the specs:

FEATURES

􀂆 Sampling Rate Ranging from 8kHz to 192kHz

􀂆 128 times Oversampling (Normal Speed Mode)

􀂆 64 times Oversampling (Double Speed Mode)

􀂆 32 times Oversampling (Quad Speed Mode)

􀂆 24-Bit 8 times FIR Digital Filter

􀂆 Switched-Capacitor Filter with High Tolerance to Clock Jitter

􀂆 Single Ended 2Vrms Output Buffer

􀂆 Soft mute

􀂆 I/F format: 24-bit MSB justified, I2S

􀂆 Master clock: 512fs, 768fs or 1152fs (Normal Speed Mode)

256fs or 384fs (Double Speed Mode)

128fs or 192fs (Quad Speed Mode)
􀂆 THD+N: -91dB

􀂆 Dynamic Range: 104dB


􀂆 Automatic Power-on Reset Circuit

􀂆 Power supply: +3.0 ∼ +3.6V

􀂆 Ta = -20 to 85°C

􀂆 Small Package: 16pin TSSOP (6.4mm x 5.0mm)


The Oppo comes with a Cirrus Logic CS4361. It's specs are ( http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/cs4361.html ):



Advanced multibit Delta-Sigma architecture

24-bit conversion
105 dB dynamic range

-95 dB THD+N


Up to 192 kHz sample rates for DVD-Audio equipment

5 V power supply

1.8 V to 5 V interface power

Single-ended outputs

Mute control output

Filtered line-level outputs

On-chip digital de-emphasis

Popguard® technology for control of clicks and pops

Low-clock-jitter sensitivity

Consumer and automotive grades

Available in a 20-pin TSSOP; lead-free assembly
 

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Update...

I cracked open the Pioneer BDP-150 and found the following DAC: AK4430ET by AKM ( http://www.akm.com/datasheets/ak4430_f00e.pdf )

Right, but since you want to play multi-channel SACDs (as mentioned in your post), you shouldn't care about the DAC - you will be bitstreaming via HDMI to your AVR, which will handle the decoding and conversion.


Also, are you sure the BDP-150 won't play FLAC via DLNA streaming? I just bought a BDP-62FD which states the same restriction in the user manual, but I am able to stream even 24/192 FLAC files without any difficulties.
 

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Right, but since you want to play multi-channel SACDs (as mentioned in your post), you shouldn't care about the DAC - you will be bitstreaming via HDMI to your AVR, which will handle the decoding and conversion.

Also, are you sure the BDP-150 won't play FLAC via DLNA streaming? I just bought a BDP-62FD which states the same restriction in the user manual, but I am able to stream even 24/192 FLAC files without any difficulties.
I have two hard drives connected


I have Burr Brown PCM 1796 DAC in my pre/pro Onkyo 885p, so you are right on the bitstream point. But Flacs are not output bitstream, I thought irregardless of your settings in this unit. They are converted to PCM and sent over to the receiver/preamp?

Also, I can't seem to get this unit to understand DLNA correctly. Maybe there is a link out there that I have not read correctly. I have an Asus RT-n16 with Media Server activated on the USB hard drive connected. The Buffalo Linkstation seems to be recognized, but browsing for the FLAC files in with the MP3 files is a disaster with this bluray player, as the folder structure is not displaying as identical to Windows. Any suggestions are appreciated on both topics.


Thanks,

///Arash
 

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I have two hard drives connected

I have Burr Brown PCM 1796 DAC in my pre/pro Onkyo 885p, so you are right on the bitstream point. But Flacs are not output bitstream, I thought irregardless of your settings in this unit. They are converted to PCM and sent over to the receiver/preamp?

Also, I can't seem to get this unit to understand DLNA correctly. Maybe there is a link out there that I have not read correctly. I have an Asus RT-n16 with Media Server activated on the USB hard drive connected. The Buffalo Linkstation seems to be recognized, but browsing for the FLAC files in with the MP3 files is a disaster with this bluray player, as the folder structure is not displaying as identical to Windows. Any suggestions are appreciated on both topics.

Thanks,

///Arash

Two separate issues on this topic:


- Bitstream versus LPCM - Linear pulse-code modulation (LPCM) is a method of encoding audio information digitally; it represents an audio waveform as a sequence of amplitude values recorded at a sequence of times, which is what differentiates it from bitstream.


LPCM is simply a decoding of the bits within the audio data file; it's not the same as converting from the digital to the analog domain, which is what your DAC does. My Pioneer player (BDP-62FD) doesn't even have a DAC built into it - it outputs only digital audio. The BDP-150 does have a DAC, but it's only used with the analog outputs (the white and red RCA connectors on the back of your player). So, even if you stream a FLAC audio file from a USB stick or a DLNA server and output LPCM from the HDMI or digital out (the 150 has only coaxial S/PDIF), the receiver is doing the digital to analog conversion (which is what you likely want for the best sound quality). BTW, this where jitter can become a problem - transmitting LPCM from your BD player to the AVR w/ LPCM because of the timing dependencies noted above in bold.


But I digress... and just don't worry about it; use the connector that works best for you (which will likely be the HDMI cable) and enjoy great sound and video from your new BDP-150.


- DLNA servers and folder structures. This is a very long topic and it would be hard for me to really help, since I don't use a Buffalo link station (and I don't even know which third-party DLNA server Buffalo uses). However, the two servers I use (Serviio for video and Twonky for music) each present their own folder structures based on metadata and their own configurations. It's not just a mirror of the physical file system, although it's usually possible to browse by folder. Look in your Buffalo setup and see if there are options that change the presentation of media to your liking. Be prepared, however; using DLNA to stream media is a learning curve and it will take some time for you to get things setup they way you want it.
 
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