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The Review at a Glance: (max score: 5 )

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76






Studio and Year: MGM – 1987, 1990, 1993
MPAA Rating: Unrated, R, PG-13
Feature running time: 103 minutes, 117 minutes, 105 minutes
Genre: Sci-Fi/Action

Disc Format: BD-25, BD-50
Encoding: MPEG-2, AVC
Video Aspect: 1.85:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio, French/Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1, French 5.1 DTS, English 4.0 Dolby,
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Starring: Peter Weller, Nancy Allen, Ronny Cox, Miguel Ferrer, Tom Noonan, Dan O'Herlihy, Robert John Burke
Directed by: Paul Verhoeven, Irvin Kirshner, Fred Dekker
Music by: Basil Poledouris, Leonard Rosenman
Written by: Edward Neumeier, Michael Miner, Frank Miller, Walon Green, Fred Dekker
Region Code: A

Blu-ray Disc release Date: October 3, 2010







"Part man. Part machine. All cop. The future of law enforcement"

"He's back to protect the innocents"

"Back on line, Back on duty"




Film Synopsis:


'Robocop'--When a good cop (Peter Weller) gets blown away by some ruthless criminals, innovative scientists and doctors are able to piece him back together as an unstoppable crime-fighting cyborg called "Robocop."

'Robocop 2'--When Detroit's descent into chaos is further compounded by a police department strike and a new designer drug called Nuke, only Robocop can stop the mayhem. But in his way are an evil corporation that profits from Motor City crime and a bigger and tougher cyborg with a deadly directive: Take out Robocop!

'Robocop 3'--It's Megacop vs. Megacop when Detroit's cyborg crime-fighter hits the streets to protect the innocent. When the ruthless corporation that runs Motor City begins kicking families out of their homes to clear space for a profitable new real estate project, Robocop joins forces with a renegade band of freedom fighters to save them.



My Take:


Detroit is famous for crime, car manufacturing, Motown, 8 Mile Road, Axel Foley and umm...Robocop. I guess if any city would become the beacon for rampant criminal activity and corruption, with a need the first ever human/robot hybrid police officer, it would be Detroit.



When fallen officer Alex J. Murphy (Peter Weller) is used as a test subject and brought back to life as a 'Robocop', he becomes more than anyone bargained for. Not only does he carry out his mission to protect and serve the city, he is on a personal crusade to get the men who shot and killed his human-self and take down the corruption of the OCP Corp. who created him.

'Robocop' was a bloodbath. I remember reading about it in Fangoria magazine when it came out, and how it was supposedly so gory that it got an X rating. Even today it one of the bloodiest action flicks I have ever seen. Not is sheer volume of blood like the new Rambo per say, but in the gruesomeness of kills. When the bad guys off Murphy (Peter Weller), it is so unforgiving it is hard to watch as they blow his hand off, load him with bullets then the last shot in his head; all with a smile on their faces. A comic edge delivered by way of satire on the American lifestyle of greed, excess and commercialism added laughs, added to making the movie a fun ride. Director Paul Verhoeven was in control, cleverly delivering a rocking mix of action, social commentary and humor.


I know I am against the grain here BUT I thought Director Irvin Kirshner's (Empire Strikes Back) 'Robocop 2' was the most fun. It kept the feel of the first but the addition of the always superb Tom Noonan (Manhunter) as the main villain was perfect. It was not structured as well as it could have been, going through a few rewrites off of a script by Frank Miller (300, Sin City). In all its goofiness and slightly disjointed plot, I felt this captured a real comic book feel. I have to give it credit for the coolest gunshot/baby save I have seen in a long time-- off a metal door into a guys head who is holding a baby--it was right up there with the Andy Garcia slide save of the baby carriage in The Untouchables. It was not as good a movie as part 1, but I just had a blast with it.

'Robocop 3' was the worst...Just terrible. When OPC Corp. wants to take over Detroit and make it "Delta City", the evicted residents start to fight back, going underground and Robocop joins their team. Besides its awesome list of character actors (Rip Torn, Bradley Whitford, Jill Hennessy, Stephen Root) it was a complete failure. If the 22 min opening scene with no plot wasn't a sign, its loss of social satire and Verhoeven influence sure put the nail in the coffin. Peter Weller sure had a good idea not reprising his roll, and Robocop was played by Robert John Burke. Robocop lost whatever emotion Peter Well gave the human side in this one. Director Fred Dekker (Night of the Creeps) must have lost the road map left for him and took a series that pushed the envelope of gore in this genre, and it tamed it down to PG-13. It just lost its way... Don't even bother people, really.

'The Robocop Trilogy' didn't age too well. Back in 1988 I could see it being awesome and advanced, but so was Max Headroom. Even Robocop himself, Peter Weller, knew after Robocop 2 that it was time to hang up the armor. The first Robocop was super-cool in it's time with a sharp wit, some gore and a great bit of satire on corruption and the corporate mentality. Part 2 didn't do too well and was considered a disappointment. Part 3 was a complete failure and had a new actor in the suite. I think the first two are totally worth a spin.


Robocop =3.5/5 - Robocop 2 =3/5 - Robocop 3 =1.5/5




Parental Guide:


The rating for theses films is for thematic material.





AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)


Audio: 78


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Video: 74


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Robocop comes to Blu-ray disc from 20th Centry Fox featuring 1080p MPEG-2 encoded video that has an average bitrate of 21 Mbps and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 3.5 Mbps.

Robocop 2 comes to Blu-ray disc from 20th Centry Fox featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 30 Mbps and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 4.3 Mbps.

Robocop 3 comes to Blu-ray disc from 20th Centry Fox featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 30 Mbps and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 4 Mbps.


The old MPEG-2 encode of the original Robocop's 2007 BD-25 Blu-ray release is what was included in this package. Why? Production costs, I assume. Too bad as it's pretty dull with no real pop and depth to the image. There are times where the video noise and lack of resolution is clearly apparent, especially on effects shots. If any has a reason why these shots look much worse then the rest of the film please let me know! Black levels went from crushed to washed--this was inconsistent all over the board. There were times it was sharp and detailed, if only they threw this on a BD-50 with more bitrate, it might just have looked pretty good. The audio was disappointing as well. It was slightly boxy. Explosions and the many many gunshots never took use the dynamics a lossless audio track can offer. Surrounds are generlly weak but do come to life nicely during the interview and new report scenes. The theme music was the best part of the track, never needing the low end that was obviously lacking in the rest of the mix.

Robocop 2 and 3 were more like it. The main difference between the two films was color saturation; I preferred the over-saturated look of part 2's colors scheme, it added pop. Over-all colors are more natural and fine details on Peter Weller's face as well as the sheen and blue hue in the silver of Robocop's armor were discernible, unlike the Robocop disc. Effect shots did tend to look a bit more noisy and there was a decent amount of grain to keeping the image looking tinker free. The black levels faired much better on these two as well, though the darker scenes did look a bit more noisy than daylight scenes. The audio was a step above the Robocop disc as well. It was more open and had some decent imaging. Low end was a bit underwhelming, considering the amount of gunfire, I did anticipate a bit more depth and dynamics. Vocals were always paramount in both mixes and surround were used nicely, flinging gunfire in and out of the sound-stage, car screeches and ambiance used just as needed. Not bad for its age, but there is room for improvement on their mixes.

Robocop =Video 64 / Audio 72 - Robocop 2 =Video 80 / Audio 80 - Robocop 3 =Video 80 / Audio 80



Bonus Features:


  • Robocop:

  • (HD) Trailers: Robocop, The Usual Suspects, to Live and Die in L.A., Bulletproof Monk


  • Robocop 2:

  • (HD) Two Robocop 2 Trailers


  • Robocop 3:

  • (HD)Trailer




Final Thoughts:


There were talks of a Robocop remake by Darren Aronofsky (The Wrestler). That did sound promising, but it failed to happen. I suggest a better idea. Take Detroit finest from the 80's and create the ultimate popcorn flick, 'Beverly Hills Robocop'. Axel Foley and Robocop take on the world of bad film-making. Yes, no?? Thoughts??



I found Robocop 1 and 2 to be fun, a bit insane, over-the-top and original--Worth a viewing, but definitely aged. I am not sure who Fox aimed 'The Robocop Trilogy' at, but its lack of any extras feels like a slap in the face to fans. They will be disappointed with its complete lack of extra features and double-dip of 2007's MPEG-2 encode of the first Robocop movie. I for one really wanted to hear a commentary by Director Paul Verhoeven, and see some making of. Too bad. For anyone who has yet to see 'The Robocop Trilogy', I suggest a rental and not to wast your time on part 3. Fans, for its low MSRP it might be worth it to have part 2 and 3 looking the best you might see it for a long time.














Lee Weber
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Beverly Hills Robocop? Are you kidding me? That's a fantastic idea! LOL!
Or how about Robocop vs The Terminator?
lol


But you have to admit this movie is a guilty pleasure! I pretty much grew up on Robocop. Used to be one of my favorite high school rap songs. lol!



I've seen this movie numerous times and never get tired of it. The first one is my favorite. Too bad this only scored 76 but nonetheless it's still a good clip.


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Robocop 1 was/is a fantastic movie. Robocop 2 is "ok", but it's quite a bit darker and begins to get extremely weird (that one kid is just kinda strange). I'm surprised to see Lee give Robocop 2 the same film score as Robocop 1.


As for Robocop 3, agreed. Terrible. Jetpack!
 

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Lee, are you certain that the first film is the unrated edition? I've heard it was the R-Rated one, but haven't seen it, so I can't be sure.
 

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Robocop 1 was/is a fantastic movie. Robocop 2 is "ok", but it's quite a bit darker and begins to get extremely weird (that one kid is just kinda strange). I'm surprised to see Lee give Robocop 2 the same film score as Robocop 1.


As for Robocop 3, agreed. Terrible. Jetpack!

I knew it was against the grain..I watched it right after part 1 and enjoyed it more
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Lee, are you certain that the first film is the unrated edition? I've heard it was the R-Rated one, but haven't seen it, so I can't be sure.

The packaging says Unrated.
 

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The packaging says Unrated.

Thanks Lee. A shame they didn't use the OAR of 1.66:1 (as the Criterion laserdisc did). But we take what we can get!
 

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Nice review Lee. I also like Robocop 2 ... the first two films make a great 1-2 punch (similar to how I feel about Alien/Aliens). Even though I already own this collection on DVD, I had never watched Robocop 3. I had caught the ending on TV years ago and just seeing that (including the jetpack) was enough to turn me off (as well as the PG-13 rating).


However I decided to watch Robocop 3 on Blu-ray and while I still don't think it's good, I actually got a few laughs out of it. I was also surprised that the production design and some action sequences (except for the jetpack sequence) were pretty well done. And as you mentioned, the character actor list in this movie is very good ... perhaps topping the first two.


I would add to your Robocop 3 character list: the return of Nancy Allen as "Lewis", the return of Felton Perry as "Johnson", the return of Robert DoQui as "Sergeant Reed", as well as Mako, CCH Pounder, and Daniel von Bargen. However Rip Torn's performance annoyed me to no end, and nobody could replace Peter Weller.


I will probably never watch it again, but I didn't find it as bad as I expected. The plot is absurd, there's some occasional bad dialog/acting, but the supporting cast and a few chuckles got me through it ... as shameful as it is to have a kid-friendly Robocop movie.
 

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I wasn't a big fan of 2 and 3 was horrible but the original Robocop is a bonafide classic and one of the best movies of the 80's. The writing is brilliant and is endlessly quotable and it's style and satire has been endlessly copied by movies of all genres, not just sci-fi. The father from the 70's show, (can't remember his real name) is one of the great all time villians who delivers one of the best lines in movie history.


3 stars for this movie is a bit of a insult. It's one of the few movies from the 80's that actually hasn't aged and it's social commenatry is just as relevant today as it was back then.
 

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The father from the 70's show, (can't remember his real name) is one of the great all time villians who delivers one of the best lines in movie history.


3 stars for this movie is a bit of a insult. It's one of the few movies from the 80's that actually hasn't aged and it's social commenatry is just as relevant today as it was back then.

What quote do you reference?


Also who is insulted
Will Robocop come get me?

I always get a kick out of that statement!


Oh thanks for pointing that out!

I meant Robocop 3.5, part 2 = 3 and 3= 1.5 and its a 3of5 for the trilogy....
 

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What quote do you reference?


Also who is insulted
Will Robocop come get me?

I always get a kick out of that statement!


Oh thanks for pointing that out!

I meant Robocop 3.5, part 2 = 3 and 3= 1.5 and its a 3of5 for the trilogy....

"bitches leave"


Clarence Boddicker's perfect delivery of that line and that scene as a whole should give the movie another half star right there. The guy was 100% badass but in a cool way and was one of the first real charismatic villians that has become copied ad nauseum since then for action movie villians. Remember this movie came out about 18 months before Die Hard and Alan Rickman's turn as the villian which was always thought of as the birth of the charming and funny bad guy.
 

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"bitches leave"


Clarence Boddicker's perfect delivery of that line and that scene as a whole should give the movie another half star right there. The guy was 100% badass but in a cool way and was one of the first real charismatic villians that has become copied ad nauseum since then for action movie villians. Remember this movie came out about 18 months before Die Hard and Alan Rickman's turn as the villian which was always thought of as the birth of the charming and funny bad guy.

Ha! I have been using that for the last 3 days, my wife is so annoyed.

You hit the nail on the head with that one!
 

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I knew it was against the grain..I watched it right after part 1 and enjoyed it more
Oh well...



The packaging says Unrated.

Great review, Lee!


The main difference between the rated and unrated versions is the scene when ED 209 kills Kinney is longer (drops a ton of lead into Kinney). Also, the scene in the factory when Murphy is killed shows his entire right arm being blown off by a single shotgun shot before cutting to Weller screaming while the whole gang unloads on him. IIRC, the unrated version is less then a minute longer than the rated version.


Agreed on enjoying part 2 more. Part 1 is great and one of my favorite movies, but part 2 with the Robocop 2 (Cain) cyborg and seeing Cain's brain, eyes and spine in the cylinder of liquid with bubbles was awesome. The Robocop 2 prototypes scene was great too.

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"bitches leave"

Yeah, best line, but also:


"Can you fly, Bobby"


and


"Well give the man a hand."
 

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What quote do you reference?


Also who is insulted
Will Robocop come get me?

I always get a kick out of that statement!


Oh thanks for pointing that out!

I meant Robocop 3.5, part 2 = 3 and 3= 1.5 and its a 3of5 for the trilogy....

Yeah Lee, this is what I was originally getting at. Part 2 is definitely worth checking out, but I was kinda shocked to see you rate it the same as Part 1 before



Part 2 is interesting, but I must admit that I feel nasty during it.
 

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I watched part 1 the other day, I was actually surprised at how well it's held up over time. I thoroughly enjoyed it, which absolute bewilders and concerns me as I hate pretty much everything.
 

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"If any has a reason why these shots look much worse then the rest of the film please let me know!"


It's just the state of budget minded optical compositing in the mid-eighties. In some HD releases they work hard to clean them up (black levels and grain). But apparantly not in this case



Rest assured, it appeared the same way in the theatre.
 

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Nice review Lee. I also like Robocop 2 ... the first two films make a great 1-2 punch (similar to how I feel about Alien/Aliens). Even though I already own this collection on DVD, I had never watched Robocop 3. I had caught the ending on TV years ago and just seeing that (including the jetpack) was enough to turn me off (as well as the PG-13 rating).


However I decided to watch Robocop 3 on Blu-ray and while I still don't think it's good, I actually got a few laughs out of it. I was also surprised that the production design and some action sequences (except for the jetpack sequence) were pretty well done. And as you mentioned, the character actor list in this movie is very good ... perhaps topping the first two.


I would add to your Robocop 3 character list: the return of Nancy Allen as "Lewis", the return of Felton Perry as "Johnson", the return of Robert DoQui as "Sergeant Reed", as well as Mako, CCH Pounder, and Daniel von Bargen. However Rip Torn's performance annoyed me to no end, and nobody could replace Peter Weller.


I will probably never watch it again, but I didn't find it as bad as I expected. The plot is absurd, there's some occasional bad dialog/acting, but the supporting cast and a few chuckles got me through it ... as shameful as it is to have a kid-friendly Robocop movie.


Robo 2 and 3 suck donkey nuts and they should have stopped after the first one.
 

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Apologies for the massive thread bump.


Just back from viewing Robocop at the local Odeon cinema here in Belfast.

They're running a 'Flashback' season,(Terminator's next week), and I wasn't missing Robocop on the big screen.

Massively fun night and a great audience as well,(apart from the smelly chap beside me).


The print was fairly tatty in places, and had a couple of sound dropouts at the start, fairly grainy,

but here's the most interesting thing: The colours were very, very close to the MGM blu-ray.


Robo's suit was not a dull grey, it had various colours, blues and purples in there.

It was not a dull and colourless movie, which the Criterion DVD seemed to portray it as.


While the BD undoubtedly has contrast boosting,(even more apparent to me, after seeing a theatrical print),

this theatrical showing has shown,(at least to my eyes), that the complaints about the colours being wrong, are slightly ill-informed.
 

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I just got Robo 3 on blu-ray and it looks amazing it is just as i remember it in the theatres. I will prolly get 1 and 2 on BD since BB has them for $9 each and even though I do not like 2 and 3, I am a Robo fan and gotta have the trilogy..


Sometimes I think the reviewers get it wrong when evaluating movies especially older ones when they transfer to blu-ray....


The thing I do not like is when they try to remix the sound because they ALWAYS get it wrong.
 
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