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For some reason all the pictures have been lost. For now, you can seem them on the archived thread: https://web.archive.org/web/2014070...heater-design-construction/1498786-savoy.html

Home Theater of the Month - June 2014

https://www.avsforum.com/t/1534823/ht-of-the-month-the-savoy

Thread is indexed on post #4 .

I created a PowerPoint presentation that summarizes the building of the Savoy and there is a video by Nyal Mellor from Acoustic Frontiers. Located on post 5.

Well I finally started my build thread which is a good thing because I'm not too far a long. The house is new construction and we picked out a house design that would support a decent sized theater. :) I've read a lot of build threads and some people spend a lot of time documenting every step they take. I appreciate that greatly since I'm using one theater as my model theater which I'm sure most of you are already familiar with: https://www.avsforum.com/t/1208912/the-cinemar-home-theater-construction-thread . Many things will be similar to this theater but there are still quite a few differences and some I haven't figured out yet. I have also asked Nyal Mellor from Acoustic Frontiers to perform the acoustic analysis on my room which Nyal featured in his April Newsletter:


Here are the layout schematics:

Side View



Top View

Soffit Detail


Speakers:
Currently I have a quasi home theater that is half living space and half home theater with Salk HT2-TL's as my towers and a Salk HTC2 as the center channel. Dual JTR S2's play sub duty and old Axiom QS8's are my two surrounds. The new theater will be 9.6 and I'm going all JTR for the speakers for the mains, subs and surrounds. With the help of DesertDome, we built 4 mid-bass modules (MBM's) The LCR will be Noesis 212's and the 6 surrounds will be JTR S8's. For subs I'm going to keep my dual JTR S2's with both of them placed up front behind the screen. To help with the mid-bass I am adding 4 midbass modules that will feature Acoustic Elegance PB18H+ drivers. (The Salks are going upstairs for 2 channel.)

Speaker summary with quantity and possible crossovers. Total of 15 channels including eight 18" drivers.

LCR - JTR Noesis 212's (Qty 3) - 150 Hz & up
Side Surrounds - JTR S8 LP (Qty 6)
Midbass Modules - DIY featuring 18" Acoustic Elegance PB18H+ drivers (Qty 4) - 40 Hz - 150 Hz
Subs - JTR Captivator S2's (Qty 2) - below 40 Hz

Projector & Display:
I currently have a Epson 8350 which has done great over the last two years. I'm still evaluating my options for a projector. I need a projector that can throw 21' and fill up at 12" wide screen. Originally I was going with a Sony 1000ES but have decided to pull back until 4K goes more main stream. With the size of screen I wanted and the throw distance I didn't have too many options. For the screen I'm going with none other than a Seymour Center Stage XD 2:37 AT curved screen. Screen size will be 147.8" wide by 63.2" tall.
12/20/13 Update - I have purchased an Epson 6030 and a Panamorph UH480 anamorphic lens.
4/15/14 Update - Sold the Epson and bought a Sony HW55ES. After a lot of reading on AVS and several reviews became increasingly concerned about the fan noise.
12/6/15 Update - Sold the Sony 55ES and the UH480 anamorphic lens. Bought the JVC RS500!!!

Equipment:
Some of this is still up in the air. I currently have a Denon 4311 but I plan to go with separates. I decided to pick up the Sherbourn PA 7-350 after half the JTR owners purchased one so this will power 7 of the 9 speakers but after continued issues brought to light in other threads about buzzes and hums I decided to sell the Sherbourn and bought Crest Audio and Behringer amps. Lighting will be all Insteon controlled with dimming capability. Everything will be controlled by the amazing iRule home theater remote control system which I currently use on an iPad (thanks Steve!). Still working on the other equipment.

Current equipment list (4/29/14):

HTPC running JRiver Media Center (see more below)
MOTU 24ao
Torus AVR-15 Isolation Transformer
Crest Audio CC4000 Amp (Qty 2) - Power the LCR
Crest Audio CC1800 Amp (Qty 3) - Power the 6 side surrounds
Behringer iNuke 6000 amps to power the four MBMs.

Seating
Front Row - 3 Palliser Rhumba home theater chairs
Second Row - 4 Palliser Rhumba home theater chairs
Back rom - dry bar with seating for 4-5 people

Soundproofing & Acoustic Treatments
The room will be isolated acoustically from the rest of the house using most of the best practices from all the other build threads - DD, GG, clips, serenity mat, etc. Although I've done more research on acoustic treatments than anything else it still left me undecided on what exactly to do so I asked Nyal to help me figure it out.The side walls will have 7" of room for acoustic treatments behind GOM fabric. The rear wall will have 8" of space which doesn't include the speaker cubby hole that will be 28" deep. Here is the acoustic treatment plan from Nyal.

I went back and forth numerous times on using a HTPC vs a conventional pre/pro, bluray player, etc. Here are the reasons I went with a HTPC running JRMC. Thanks DesertDome!

Video
Instant playback of Blu-ray from disc with no wading through menus
Automatic ripping of Blu-rays
Instant access to ripped Blu-rays
Highest quality chroma upscaling for Blu-ray
Upscale to 4K using highest quality scaling algorithms
Set playback ranges of videos
Create virtual clips for accessing songs on concert Blu-rays
Convert video to audio for extracting songs from concert Blu-rays for use on portable devices
Create dynamic views of content (new movies, movies not watched ever, movies not watched in the past year, TV shows
Unlimited storage (just keep adding hard drives or NAS)
Remember settings on a per video basis such as subtitles, position, soundtrack, etc.

Audio
64-bit processing for all DSP (EQ, level, distance, internal volume)
Decoding of any format - no limitations
Use of internal volume maximizes digital headroom
No clipping on the input of amps when using internal volume
Complete control of all EQ and easily make changes
Dynamic room curve follows equal loudness contours to make all frequencies sound relatively the same regardless of volume
Adjust LFE volume differently than redirected bass below the crossover

TV
Record OTA with as many tuners as you have available
Schedule recordings
Watch recorded or live TV on other clients

Variety of Settings
Different audio/video setting/EQ for Blu-ray Movies, Blu-ray Concerts, Music, DVD, and TV all set to maximize the audio/video for each type of content. Regardless of what content is chosen, it is automatically routed through the correct settings
Easy User Accounts - Set up user accounts and only show media for that user.

Control
Control the media using iOS, Android, laptops, PCs, or other TVs/hardware using iRule, iRemote, Gizmo, WebGizmo, DLNA, or library server

Streaming
Stream all content (TV, Movies, Music, home videos, pictures) to other computers or devices anywhere in the world there is internet access
Stream to tablets while on vacation
Choose quality of conversion for streaming
Stream to any computer anywhere using WebGizmo - no software needed on the client
Subscribe to podcasts and have them automatically downloaded, tagged, and ready for streaming or copying to other devices
Performer - subscribe to JRiver's Performer and have access to 8+ million songs for streaming or copying to other devices

Easily update to changing codecs, video improvements, audio improvements, etc. There are others and also some disadvantages but I'm heading this route first.
I'm hoping the house and theater will be completed no later than May 1. I'll keep updating this thread as we go along. If you have any suggestions for anything please let me know. Thanks.
 

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Here are some of the first pics and a few of the completed room:

The theater is 24" below the rest of the basement. Just dirt:


Walls:


Floor poured:


Some walls up - view toward the equipment room:


View toward the screen wall:


Almost Done


 

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Discussion Starter · #3 · (Edited)
Grand Opening on 6/28/14. Please let me know if you're interested in attending. See post #872 for more details.

Updated 6/27/14
1 DesertDome
2 Carp
3 Jeff Permanian from JTR (bringing the JTR 215 RTs)
4 Cshuff
5 Nickbuol
6 Brausch
7 IA_HI_FI_Guy
8 Stitch1
9 Archaea
10 joshp14
11 Luke Kamp
12 Brad S
13 Baniels
14 MrSmithers
15 NicktheGreat
16 IgnoringMyWife
17 ecrabb
18 Chris Seymour from Seymour AV
19 Lukeamdman
20 Nebrunner
21 stormwind13
22 Jedimastergrant
23 vince32387
24 jeahrens
25 Randy Bessinger
26 jdburton07
27 134lrs
28 ThomasKott
 

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Discussion Starter · #4 · (Edited)
Index for Savoy Build Thread

Introduction
Savoy Grand Opening Attendees
Origin of the Savoy Name
Speaker configuration
Lighting layout discussion
Initial framing of room
HVAC specs
Sump pump considerations
Exhaust fan for equipment room
Below grade insulation discussion
Nyal on the importance of a good acoustic plan
GreenGlue application
Details on home theater chairs
Serenity Mat installation
Riser framing starts
Soffit framing begins
JTR Noesis 212LP off axis measurements
Stuffing insulation into riser, stage filling with sand & wiring summary
Baffle wall design from Nyal
Drywall going up & column fabrication
Nyal's comments on 212 directivity
Acoustic treatment plan from Nyal
Column installation & starting painting
Building the MBM's
Installation of wainscot
Trim work progress
Door trim complete & testing out fabric frames
Update on curved vs flat screen
Stage framing begins
Misc DIY acoustic treatment supplies
Painting of fabric frames
Projector installation hardware update
Lighting Update
Savoy Dreamworks Intro Video
DesertDome finishing up the MBM's
Initial placement of fabric frames
Why I decided to use MBM's
Integration of MBM XO's
Priming of woodwork & first peak at hidden entry door
First coat of paint
HTPC components & the channel configuration
HVAC diffuser selection & carpet selection
Seymour on aspect ratios
Picture of acoustic diffusers
Building the DIY acoustic treatments - diffuser slats
Acoustic treatment slat design from Nyal
Acoustic treatment installation - first post
Applying kraft paper to 4" OC703 for ceiling absorbers
DesertDome wrapping up the MBM's
LED rope lighting selection and misc
More acoustic treatment installation photos & foam application of baffle wall
Building the "behind the screen bass absorbers & wrapping up the baffle wall foam
Behind the screen lights for the IMAX look
Building the DIY bass traps
Theater with lights on & pictures of acoustic treatments & hidden door
Dry bar installed
Speakers installed in baffle wall
Installing fabric panels & pics of the JTR S8's
DesertDome on the MCh DAC
Installation of Seymour screen by Chris Seymour
Almost finished theater without the chairs
Link to Savoy acoustic treatment design article by Acoustic Frontiers
Final pics of the Savoy with chairs & projector
Wiring up all the amps & speakers
Pics of equipment room
GTG Tickets
Jeff Meier Video Calibration
HTPC hardware list
Start of Savoy GTG feedback
GTG pics
Nyal's video on the acoustic design of the Savoy
Building of the Savoy presentation
My first CEDIA
The Second HTPC Build List
 

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Discussion Starter · #5 · (Edited)
I held the Savoy Grand Opening on June 28th and went through these overview slides.

Here is the YouTube link to Nyal Mellor's video this is discussed on the slides:
 

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LOVE the dimensions of that room. 2 rows and a bar or will it be 3 rows, I couldn't find/see that? 6 surround speakers? NICE!
How does that work, are the 2 side surround speakers on each side wall playing the same thing?


As far as screen size you have to go as big as possible IMO. Mine is 147 inches wide and I have never thought I should have gone smaller. Go with the 150 for sure.


Sorry I'm no help with suggestions since I have zero experience with a dedicated room but I will be following this thread and can't wait to see your room someday!


If I remember right, this is real close to your current house?
 

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Carp - In the JTR thread you said, "That's going to be incredible David!!" I thought you meant my stupendous LMS 5400 end tables...until I saw this thread. Magnificent indeed! Subscribed!
 

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Carp - In the JTR thread you said, "That's going to be incredible David!!" I thought you meant my stupendous LMS 5400 end tables...until I saw this thread. Magnificent indeed! Subscribed!

Haha, hey anything that involves the 5400's should indeed be incredible!
 

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Blank slate - Very cool! Good luck. I'm looking forward to following along. What are your HVAC plans?
 

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LOVE the dimensions of that room. 2 rows and a bar or will it be 3 rows, I couldn't find/see that? 6 surround speakers? NICE!
How does that work, are the 2 side surround speakers on each side wall playing the same thing?


As far as screen size you have to go as big as possible IMO. Mine is 147 inches wide and I have never thought I should have gone smaller. Go with the 150 for sure.


Sorry I'm no help with suggestions since I have zero experience with a dedicated room but I will be following this thread and can't wait to see your room someday!


If I remember right, this is real close to your current house?

Hey Carp. What's your seating distance to the front row? Mine will be about 12' to 12'6" so a 150" wide screen is a pretty wide viewing angle for the front row. Also, cuts down my brightness from about 21 FL on a 140" wide screen to 18 FL on a 150" wide screen. Not sure if I want to lose that much brightness. As with anything there's trade-offs everywhere.


Also, there will be two sets of side surrounds for each row. There are a lot of different ways to do this and haven't decided on the best way yet. Here's a thread that talks about some of the issues and options:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1488704/having-four-speakers-as-surround-for-two-row/40_40#post_23801950


And yes, this house is about 2.5 miles from our existing :)
 

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Blank slate - Very cool! Good luck. I'm looking forward to following along. What are your HVAC plans?

I'm working with a HVAC engineer now. He's running thru the load calculations and best way to isolate the HVAC acoustically. Also got lots of good advice from AVS member TMcG. Right now I plan on doing a dedicated zone for the home theater.
 

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Hey Carp. What's your seating distance to the front row? Mine will be about 12' to 12'6" so a 150" wide screen is a pretty wide viewing angle for the front row. Also, cuts down my brightness from about 21 FL on a 140" wide screen to 18 FL on a 150" wide screen. Not sure if I want to lose that much brightness. As with anything there's trade-offs everywhere.


And yes, this house is about 2.5 miles from our existing :)

Sitting on the first row my head is 11' 6" from the screen. I love the size for movies - especially 2:35:1 movies, I think it's perfect. Before I had a 2nd row I was at 14'6 from the screen and I thought I wouldn't like being any closer but I tried moving up and like it better.


In 16:9 my diagonal size is only 124", not sure how wide that is but obviously a lot smaller than 2:35:1. I've found that when I go from 16:9 to 2:35:1 my eyes don't mind the increase at all since it's just the width that is getting bigger. I think if my screen were any taller thought I would be too close to it.
 

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You will really like the 1000......................I can vouch for it! With you room depth and width....................maybe the 150" screen might be warranted. Can understand your reasoning behind using 140" screen................but I can tell you for sure, the projector can light it up!



My room is 17 X 25 X 10................quite a bit smaller than yours.........................140'' is huge in my room, but I LOVE it. Don't give up on 150".
 

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Subscribed! Looking forward to following along on this one.


Question....what anamorphic lens do you plan on using with the Sony 4K projector? Second, if you are going with the 140", 150" or greater size screen, I'd recommend that you consider a curved screen. A curved screen at that size will preserve the proper pixel geometry vs. a flat screen, fyi.
 

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Subscribed! Looking forward to following along on this one.


Question....what anamorphic lens do you plan on using with the Sony 4K projector? Second, if you are going with the 140", 150" or greater size screen, I'd recommend that you consider a curved screen. A curved screen at that size will preserve the proper pixel geometry vs. a flat screen, fyi.
There is a lot of discussion on this topic on post 6519 and following on this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1359018/sony-vpl-vw1000/6510
 

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Congratulations! That is going to be a fantastic size space you are starting out with!


Good luck and look forward to following along.
 
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