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It doesn't have enough resolution to display a DVD without cropping, the color wheel spins at 2x, its a native 4x3, and it doesn't even have a "real" component out. Its everything you don't want in a pj for HT, so why are people still buying them? The hype surrounding this projector is out of control.
 

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Because you're so much smarter than all of us who have bought one. But then we've seen it, have you?


rather than jabbering at all of us, why not just declare yourself Emperor For Life, call it a day and take the blue pill.


300+ hours on the lamp, still stupid and blissfully happy,


-M.


P.S. you forgot to mention the X1 is only 800x600. don't slip up any more.
 

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Yeah it crops a whopping 30 lines :rolleyes:


They hype on it has been out of control both ways. Only a couple months ago all the talk was rainbows, rainbows, rainbows and you should be committed to the looney bin if you bought one. Now the price has gone down to about the same as the cheapest RPTVs they are apparently selling like hotcakes. At least now you're hearing from people who have actually seen it. I don't think starting a new X1 thread was the way to stop the hype machine. :D


BTW: 303 hours on my X1 as of last night, currently being used in the conference room upstairs. I will discuss my fee with my employer later ;)
 

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xallax,

You really have to see one before you judge it, I've (physically) looked at many PJ's in that price range, and admittedly am not a PJ professional.

But having said that I do go by my eyes,,,,,and regardless of the pitfalls that you have declared,,,,I have to say that the X1 has the best (IMO) PQ of any of the others. But remember to each their own.


Now if you want to be fair, don't forget to slam the LCD PJ's in regards to

1/ Pixelation

2/ Screen Door

3/ Vertical Banding

4/ Dust Blobs

5/ Yadda, Yadda, Yadda ;)


Whoops, all of a sudden the X1 doesn't sound as bad as one makes it out to be.

Once you've demo'd various PJ's you'll see what you can live with and what you can't, upon that, your decision will be an "Educated" purchase.


Just my 2 cents; Jessica ;)
 

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DVD's are 720x480. The horizontal pixels are not actually square, they are rectangular if I recall correctly. You need 854 square pixels to represent the 720 rectangular pixels of a DVD's horizontal resolution. Thus the square-pixel equivalent of DVD is 854x480. The X1 converts the 720x480 to 854x480, then chops off 54 pixels on the left and right, and 30 pixels from the top & bottom, to get to a properly proportioned 800x450 image. This is not as bad as it sounds, in fact it isn't even an issue. There are virtually no movies in 1.78 aspect ratio. Most movies are 2.35, some are 1.85. Who cares if black bars are cropped off the top & bottom, and who is going to notice 27 missing pixels on each side? I mean really.


I have viewed numerous movies on the X1 using HTPC (non-cropped) playback and using a standalone DVD player (cropped). I have never been able to perceive the cropping, even on 1.78 and 1.85 material.


Thus, for DVD playback the practical difference between an 800x600 projector and an 854x480 projector is nil. You're never going to notice the missing 54 side pixels and 30 top/bottom pixels. It's simply a non-issue.


Indeed, if you ask me, the real problem is that no matter what projector you use, the DVD's themselves just aren't a high enough resolution source for the gigantic images we're getting with our front projectors, be it an X1, Z1, HS10, etc. Eight years ago, I'm sure no one expected that mainstream consumers would be having 120" screens in their living rooms! Up-scaling has its limits when the source is 720x480. In terms of resolution, even the X1 is sufficient for DVD material. Soon it's going to get to the point where even the cheapest projectors have four times the pixels as the DVD's we're playing on them. That's the real problem and I'm not sure what the solution could be.
 

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One more reason to hate the Infocus X1....


The $100 Rebate check that I just got in the mail today. :)





BTW, What projector does the original poster (XALLAX)of this thread have?
 

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X1=2x= RAINBOWS so buyer beware.


What ever you do don't but this projector with out seeing it first or you will probably find your self CRAZY over the rainbow. Should of gone fishing.


Other than that its like every other projector with certain pros and cons, depending on your idea on what is important and what is not. Excellent C/R, much better than LCD. I bet the blacks are real nice to.
 

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Originally posted by mpinney
One more reason to hate the Infocus X1....


The $100 Rebate check that I just got in the mail today. :)
You got yours before me,,,,:eek: what ever happened to "Ladies First", Ya beast. Heehee :p


Jessica :D
 

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Now xallax, calm down. You must have gotten out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.


To me, and I bet the majority of X1 owners, all your points are worthless.


It is a $1,400 projector for crying out loud. The image from a DVD the X1 throws up is better than a $1,400 rear projection tv. AND the image is twice the size. Hmmm, same money, better picture, HUGE image, weighs 6 lbs,....No brainer. The X1 all the way.


Another thing, have you seen an X1 project a HD image? It is absolutely stunning. Compares very favorable to a $10,000 plasma I saw the other day. Factor in that the plasma costs over $8,500 more, and again, it is a no brainer. There is just not $8,500 worth of difference to someone who would consider an X1 rather than a $33,000 projector.


Maybe one day you can save up enough money so you too can buy an X1.


OR


IF you are a person that would spend over $10,000 on a 50 inch plasma, then why in the world are you badmouthing the X1?


I hope your tomorrow is better than today.


patrick
 

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I think if you do a search under Xallax you'll see he is just baiting you all. Don't bother responding and enjoy your X1's.
 

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Last time I checked X1 here in Canada was about $600 less than the next inexpensive projector Sanyo PLV-Z1 ( that's around $400 USD)

And the PQ is soooo much better. I think it's not the hype - X1 is simply the best thing that could've happened to "regular " people that want the "high end" image once reserved for the rich.

X1 ROX!!!

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I think if you do a search under Xallax you'll see he is just baiting you all. Don't bother responding and enjoy your X1's.
I happened to do just that. It appears Xallax had tried an X1, returned it and got a Sanyo PLV-Z1 instead. I guess he wants to hear more Z1 talk, which I have noticed there isn't much of lately considering it's similar in price and picture quality to the X1. I think it's probably just because the X1 is more readily available since it's being sold in online computer stores for business presentations. That's how I bought mine anyway. I was able to get it 2 days after my order was placed through my work's corporate account. Today happened to be the first day it was actually used for a presentation after 3 and a half months.


So I guess Xallax's real question is where is the Z1 Hype?
 

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Last time I checked X1 here in Canada was about $600 less than the next inexpensive projector Sanyo PLV-Z1 ( that's around $400 USD)

And the PQ is soooo much better. I think it's not the hype - X1 is simply the best thing that could've happened to "regular " people that want the "high end" image once reserved for the rich.

X1 ROX!!!

piesek
I highly doubt the x1 PQ is sooo much better than the Z1. Really, I will put my life on the line that your statement is pure BS.
 

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The cropping issue is totally bogus. When I first got my X1, I was watching a DVD on the X1 and on my 41" Sony RPTV. When I started looking closely, I found the X1 showed more width than the Sony.


The reason was the RPTV has one of those add-on screen protectors (it's 7 years old), and the little brackets on the sides ended up cropping the image more than the X1 did.


Rainbows are there, I see them a little. So far no one else who has seen my X1 has mentioned them. Be sure you can return it if you get one without trying it out first. I've seen prices far below the $1400 (US) quoted above after rebate in the last week or so. (I don't remember where).


The hype on this is the price/performance. Not just performance. I feel it is justified, considering the picture quality, size and price as compared to RPTV.
 

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The X1 is the worst projector I've never seen!


(For the humorly impaired---- :sarcasticon:)
 

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Originally posted by mpinney

One more reason to hate the Infocus X1....


The $100 Rebate check that I just got in the mail today.
My X1 rebate arrived in the mail today, too. I've got another $100 coming in exchange for some ratty LCD panel I shipped in on the Infocus Tradeup program.


Regards,


Matt
 

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let's see why i bought the X1 compared to the other projectors:


1) $1275 - $100 rebate = $1175 shipped

2) 3000 hour lamp

3) 5 year warranty

4) mandarax's excellent mount


the projector is actually cheaper than my 32" tv!!


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My Goodness, such a hotbed!


I've almost completed a HT with a X1 that shoots a 102' diagonal image onto the wall. (painted...natch.) The original plans were for no larger than a 88" image at 800x600 native to assure "myself' that I would not be compromising "my" standards; standards acquired by installing 20-HDs, a slightly more expensive PJ that the X1. 1100 Lumens scared the heck out of me because I wanted to maintain my Painted Screen ethic. 2000:1 Contrast ratio tickeld the heck out of me, promising a much lighter hue of paint. 3000 hours on a Bulb, and guarrenteed upgradability, AND 2 extra years warrantee free, AND 100.00 rebate, well....I thought thoughts usually reserved for private moments. Warm and Fuzzy comes to mind.


But still I was skeptical enough to worry. I fired up the PJ and centered the image on my screen's perimeters. Closed the Drapes. Put a 480i signal from a lowly Sony DVD into the Component / S-Video Breakout and let the Farouda take charge.


wow. (...no hype there...)


At 13' back, the image was virtually flawless and in league with PJs costing 3X it's price. And soooooo much bigger than even a Mitsubishi 73" er For $1450.00 it was Stupendous, and a sheer delight to watch, and to start to consider all the ordinary people who now had the chance to join in on our parade. Hey! I could make some money, and make some ordinary folks estatic at the same time.


Ahhhh...., but there are those out there who are resentful that such joy could come so easy to so many, and so affordably, after their own sacrifices. (..spent too much...) Come on, we all know that's a big reason for all the venom. Others cannot fathom the mysteries that lay at the root cause of why a company would market such a product with broad appeal. So they must trash it, and condem it for it's few flaws instead of examining it's virtues also.


Rainbows.


Some of the most stanchest distractors of affordable Video say that 1 in 3 people will see rainbow effect.

Even with a 2 speed color wheel, I take serious issue with the 1 in 3 statistic. Many variables go into making Rainbows become visable. Color wheel speed, program content, Luminosity, Picture size, the quality and frequency of the scanning used. Take the current install for instance. I see the effect because I'm a little defective myself.....vision wise. But with one eye closed, it's gone completely. Yeah, I know you can't ask a guest to make like Popeye, but so far, even with my having made issue about rainbows with the Client both before and after their current size image installation, neither he or any of the over 10 people or so that have watched a DVD presentation has remarked about it. There goes that 1 in 3 statistic. To quote a recent Post on this Thread..."Wadday want fer nuthin'? Apparently to some, no chance of seeing a Rainbow, period. The Z1 (SE Matinee HD) can deliver that desire. But only at 700 Lumens & 900:1 contrast ratio, it's " Kiss you Sister" time in my book, and I sell the darn things.


The Rainbow issue chafes some people so much they feel compelled to press thier disgruntlement on everybody. But hey, SDE (screen door effect) creates the same, if not an even worse reaction. It's almost funny, 'cept is really kinda sad that some folks can only focus (...a pun?) on a specific PJ's weaknesses instead of it's strong points. You'll find just as many people out there who state that having NO SDE is much better than seeing an occasional band of color flash before them, and a bunch that will say they don't mind a dimmer image as long as they have deep contrast levels. These are the DLP advocates, and they are Legion. But try telling that to a Panny 400Q owner and he'll spit in your one good eye.


Straight talk....ya can't pay pennies for a PJ and get the same performance out of it as one that cost dollars. Expectations must come into line with budgetary restraints. Yes, I know that's not in keeping with the idea of getting something for almost nothing, but lemme tell you, paying $1500.00 for a 90" diagonal picture comes pretty darn close.


So what to do, all you fence sitters? First, decide just how "entry level" you want to be, and dismiss the naysayers. Be happy with the choice you make based on your own knowledge of what you expect and don't expect, and your budget restraints. And give every guest a Eye Patch.


Back to the SDE issue, and the Z1. Guess what? If you push an image by a LCD, even a pricey one, any bigger than 92" and sit closer than 8' to 10', you'll have some ingrate remark about the grid of little squares he can see. Why? because some people have eyes (...and brains)that are just better wired than others. Or are more deficent than others. The Moral? Please yourself, not others. If someone critizises your Theater's set up, don't invite them back. Buy what you can afford, or spend more than you planned to get the security of knowing you won't suffer the barbs coming from "friends" that probably don't even have a system 1/10th as nice as yours.


The X1 can deliver great results for less. period. Maybe not the best results, but with 1080i it's breathtaking. Why do I degress? Because when the Client first saw my raw 800X600 Native resolution image, he asked me oh, so sweetly , to keep it a Native but move the Ceiling mount back another 3' to 15' from the wall Screen. Oh boy. Now what. I reluctantly complied and BAM! A near perfect 88' Native image. No Zoom.

I just had to do it. I brought the Zoom to full out. Big Badda Boom!!!

A 102" diagonal image that at 14' sitting distance was EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS A 20-HD....with far better contrast. Ulp. And for $3K+ less


Heresy! Blasphemy! Witch craft! Naw...just a great deal of entertainment value for the money spent. Nothing like it. I'll never build in another huge RPTV to create a "flat wall screen" look if light can be controlled.


Yes, without 2200 lumens, some of the splended detail I was used to at 100+" was missing. Yes, to get a truely good image, ambient light had to be down to - 90%. And YES.....If i moved my head side to side, glanced sideways, and stood up and walked around, the old rainbows came dancing along. But no one, I mean no one else has commented about them, and the Client thinks I'm an a miracle worker.


Yeah, it's a long reply but i've been absent for a spell.


Got a ticket Toronto to attend the Great Canuck PJ Shootout, (...se Mandarax's thread) and the X1 will get plenty of scrutiny. But so will about 11 other $5000.00 and under PJs as well. But wouldn't you know it, the X1 will have few peers with comparable specs at it's price point to compare with. go figure.
 

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Is that a window? It's really bright outside! :D
 
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