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Hey All,


Have you guys ever looked back in time and remembered a set of speakers that sounded exceptionally good to you, or a speaker that you were particularly fond of?


For me it's the Jensen TF-3C's that my father let me use when I was in my late teens. I think they have a single 10" woofer, (2) 2.5 mids, and (1) 1" soft dome tweeter. I remember these speakers sounding fantastic. They delivered strong powerful bass that you could feel in your chest when the kick drum hit. They also offered exceptional blending of the bass, mids, and highs. Music by Pink Floyd, ZZ Top, The Eagles, even Black Sabbath came through with astounding clarity, punch, and presence.


Maybe I just have a case of the good old days syndrome, but when I shop for speakers now, I can't find anything that even comes close to the sound of these old Jensens. It seems like most speakers today favor appearance over performance. Modern speakers seem to be tall, thin, and tend to use relatively small drivers. Most of the speakers that I've auditioned recently seem to lack base and definitely don't deliver the slam that the old Jensens did.


These old Jensen TF-3C's were short, wide, deep and ugly, but they sounded good. I wonder why speaker manufactures abandoned this type of design? With today's speakers it seems like a separate subwoofer is an absolute requirement in order to get bass that would rival the old Jensens.


Does anyone know of any manufacturers that make three way speakers with large woofers (10 +), kind of a similar design as the old Jensens, at a reasonable price?




 

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I had TF-3Bs and I loved them. However, I am glad they don't make then like that any more. They were dark and syrupy with a tizzy upper end. If you are used to that, good modern speakers may not appeal to you.
 

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Kenr:

they dont make 'em like they used to...thats just a fact. a large heavy cabinet costs big bucks to ship from china...plus the wives rule and the tiny cubes sell ...


there are a million of us at Audiokarma dot org...all feeling like you...The good news is that with the 'bay and all ; you can buy the speakers from your youth for cheap, the restorations are not difficult...and the sound is, well, BETTER than what you remember...

-Eric
 

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Cerwin-Vega is one of the few mass marketers that still specializes in the wide boxy designs. You gotta love red though.



I still have some boxy Pio 303's in storage (no where near as old as the Jensens) that were all paper cones but still kicked butt for bass and kept me subless for a number of years. Excellent for rock stuff like CVs but totally lacking in the finer details. No real imaging and/or soundstaging without tilted stands which I never used so all of the sound was down low near the floor. I can almost recreate the same effect to this day by switching receiver EQ off with my more modern design Emerald 97 speakers. Soundstage drops right down to the lower third of the room height. It's amazing what passed for decent sound...with God knows what kind of room issues.
 

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What exactly would you consider a "reasonable price"?

I'd say 2K for a pair of speakers would reasonable. I know...at that price we're not really comparing apples to apples, but even at 2K I haven't heard any speakers that really give me the sound I'm looking for. One of the pricier speakers that I auditioned was the B&W 703's. The 703's sounded wonderful, but lacking in bass (IMHO). I think what I'm missing is the "feel it in your chest" slam that I remember from the Jensens.


It's probably pretty obvious that I am not exactly an audiophile...but I'm working on it.
 

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I had TF-3Bs and I loved them. However, I am glad they don't make then like that any more. They were dark and syrupy with a tizzy upper end. If you are used to that, good modern speakers may not appeal to you.

i have to agree there, my memory of speakers then had some trade offs

glad i have what i own now.
 

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Oh yeah the 703s are nice. lacking in bass? well maybe. But if you want chest pounding bass its time to enter the realm of the SUB-WOOFER!!! hehehe. in that realm you can find all the bass your chest can take an more. As a matter of fact you could put enough bass in your house today to blow out the windows. some things have changed and some things have gotten better... (insert evil grin here.)

Funny...When I auditioned the 703s, the sales guy (sorry, Audio Consultant as he prefered to be called), remained hesitant to turn on the subwoofer. Even after I said the music seems to be lacking bass, he mentioned something to the affect that subwoofers are really only for movie soundtracks and not 2 channed audio. I finally convinced him to turn the sub on (also B&W), and as expected, it added some very nice deep base; still not what I was looking for. The sub provided more of a "shake the fillings out of your teeth" bass as opposed to the "feel it in your chest" effect that I sought.
 

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I just switched out my father's old KLH Model 6's for a pair of Ascend 170SE's and an ED sub in our basement system and the upgrade was huge. For what they lack in cabinetry the newer speakers compensate many times over in sound reproduction!
 

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I muiss them big old speakers. my mom has a pair of large phildo speakers with "10" woofers that can outdo most modern speakers in bass and loudness. I saw a pair of short fat centrex by pioneer speakers with an "8" woofer which can slan really good and I plan on buying them. they are generic speakers but oh What the hell i love bass and I can never get enough!
 

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Theres a thread floating around called '6" woofers cant rock' with 10+ pages dicussing how to get the mid-bass slam in the chest feeling you crave, search it up
 

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Trust me, they sound better in your distant memory than they ever did in real life....unless you want distorted bass, a muddy midrange, and terrible highs.
 

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JBL 4412s, JBL L890s, JBL 4430.

Any of the JBLs with dual 8"s or larger.

Love JBL.
 

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You're looking in the wrong stores. Today's speakers in Big Box or AV specialty stores are designed for complete HT applications. A movie on those Jensen's would probably kill off most dialogue in a 5.1 system. To get those kind of speakers now (if you're looking for mostly music listening), you need to look at a music or DJ store. Mackie, JBL, MTX...10", 12", 15" loudspeakers meant to fill all musical ranges with head pounding bass that will blow your roof off. I did an install consultation in a smaller bar (30x20 room) awhile back with just 2 Mackie 15" boxes on a Crown 600 watt system and the windows, walls and tables were Shakin' All Night Long (Yes, an AC/DC pun..it's early).
 

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I have a pair of DCM KX-12's that have that kick. I find that if you want that bass grin, you have to go with speakers of that type, Cerwin Vega's fit the bill too. My Alpha 50's have dual 8" woofers, and although the bass is more than adequate, it does not kick you in the chest. I have a hard time listening to my old DCM's now, terrible imaging, and very fatiguing. I also like that kick, but I don't want to give up clarity, and it seems that you do with a lot of bass heavy speakers.


Since my Alpha's can't give all of that punch by themselves, I have them paired up with a SVS PB12-NSD. Now, when I listen to music, I am a happy camper. Perhaps the OP could add a mid bass module to whatever speaker he decides on.


Sometimes our memory plays tricks on us. Something we thought was great years ago, doesn't quite cut it anymore.
 

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For $2k, maybe look at something like a Magnepan 1.6, very nice room-filling sound out of those.

I compared Maneplan 1.6 with some:

AV123 Rocket 550 (2-way two 6.5 inch midbass and a tweeter) circa 2004

Dahlquist DQ10 ( 5-way with a 10 inch woofer, two midrange, and two tweeters) circa 1981


What I found is that Rockets sounded better over a much wider range of sources, and at higher volumes... they were more flexible and dynamic.


Both the Dahlquists and the Maggies needed to be played with certain types of source material (very well recorded stuff), and needed to be listened to at a certain volume, and then they sounded more "transparent", and imaged a bit better than the Rockets.


The Rockets were always more dynamic, and sounded far better with iffy source material like movies and concerts... The Rockets also sounded better at very high volumes, and at lower volumes.


The Maggies edged out the Dahlquists ...especially at higher volumes. I suspect with a huge amp the Maggies would have sounded more dynamic, and perhaps would have competed a bit better with the Rockets.


I used a 40 pound Pioneer VSX45TX receiver, which has plenty of power - for a receiver, but not compared to a good amp.
 

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Sometimes our memory plays tricks on us. Something we thought was great years ago, doesn't quite cut it anymore.

Finally, some great wisdom.


It's the same with vintage musclecars, which I owned and raced. The very fastest and most feared (Hemis, Boss 429 Mustangs, 427 Chevelles, 440 6-packs, etc.) ran 13.8-14.5 second quarter miles and got 10 mpg. We wax nostalgic and and think they were faster. A 383 Roadrunner ran 15-second quarter miles, and would be beaten today by many SUVs, Altimas, Camrys, and luxury cars, although the perception, embelished with age, is that they were fast. Not really. Reality check.


Love your fun vintage speakers for what they are, and enjoy that huge 70 Hz bass bump and 140 Hz harmonic.
 
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