[ap307]

Dear all,


I'm trying to work within a 15 by 12 foot room where, because of its design, I only have a 7 foot piece of wall to work with in terms of placing speakers, a TV and other A/V equipment.


The design needs to pass the GF test, which is why I had first looked at floorstanding speakers since it was relatively easy to find pieces which look attractive and can add to the room's decor.


However, on second thought, I'm strongly leaning towards the following setup:


a) A large Salamander Designs cabinet which takes up most, but not all, of the wall: http://www.amazon.com/Salamander-Cha.../dp/B000S8J7CQ


b) Left, center and right Ascend Sierra-1's placed inside the cabinet in the speaker compartment (the compartment is just tall enough to fit left and right speakers if they are laid horizontally).


We have a small apartment, so the amount of storage afforded by the cabinet is a huge plus.


What do you think? Will the speaker placement work? Should I look into ceiling mounted speakers such as the PowerPoint 1.2? Any and all thoughts appreciated.


Best regards,

AP

 

[4DHD]

Its never a good idea to put speaker inside a cabinet. And never lay vertical aligned speakers on their sides. In both cases, just bad sound.


If you really want to use that cabinet to house all the electronics, that's fine, but not the speakers.

As that cabinet is only 31" tall think about setting the speakers on top (so the baffles are flush to the face) with a flat panel screen behind, either setting on the top or wall mounted.

 

[ceiph]

the sierra 1/s are rear ported which would sound bad in an enclosure like that, port plugs may be an option or i would suggest you look for sealed speaker options

 

[ceiph]



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Originally Posted by 4DHD /forum/post/16895782


Its never a good idea to put speaker inside a cabinet. And never lay vertical aligned speakers on their sides. In both cases, just bad sound.


If you really want to use that cabinet to house all the electronics, that's fine, but not the speakers.

As that cabinet is only 31" tall think about setting the speakers on top (so the baffles are flush to the face) with a flat panel screen behind, either setting on the top or wall mounted.

oh good point, you would have to order all sierra 1 center channels. so that way they are made to be on the side. dont forget that if u go the horizontal route

 

[ap307]



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Originally Posted by ceiph /forum/post/16896221


oh good point, you would have to order all sierra 1 center channels. so that way they are made to be on the side. dont forget that if u go the horizontal route

What are the best sealed speakers I can get for about $1,000 a pair that would fit in a space 8" tall (would it ever be OK to lean them on their sides?)?

 

[4DHD]



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Originally Posted by ap307 /forum/post/16896252


What are the best sealed speakers I can get for about $1,000 a pair that would fit in a space 8" tall (would it ever be OK to lean them on their sides?)?

Like I already said, if a speaker is designed as a vertical aligned array, you never want to lay it on the side. And ported or not, speakers produce a better soundstage in open space, compared to inside, which is why I suggested placing them on top of the cab.


If you insist placing speakers in those enclosed spaces then you need to buy 3 horizontal speakers, as ceiph mentioned. Then you're talking about 3 center channel speakers, which I know a few people have done.

http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_br...CCS&market=HOM


I was just looking on harmanaudio, under the center speaker pull down and found two centers less than 8" tall both with vertically aligned tweeter/midrange drivers.

One is an Infinity PC350 and the other is a JBL ES25.

For three of JBL just under $1000. Three Infinitys would be a less.

You may even find those same speakers on Harman's ebay store for less.

 

[ceiph]

3 svs scs, make sure u get all centers if u order, cost would be like 500 for those

 

[ap307]



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3 svs scs, make sure u get all centers if u order, cost would be like 500 for those

Was thinking of something that would be a step-up from the Ascend 170's I have now.


What are your thoughts on Snell 570s or 1070s? They are the right size, but I'm questioning whether they are worth their significantly higher price?

 

[ttowntony]



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Its never a good idea to put speaker inside a cabinet.

Sure, it's okay. But, you should use a speaker designed for this type of application.

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And never lay vertical aligned speakers on their sides.

True!

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What are the best sealed speakers I can get for about $1,000 a pair

Give a serious look into Triad Speakers. All of which are sealed designs and would work in your situation........Height specs is of concern, though.

http://www.triadspeakers.com/index.html

 

[ap307]



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Originally Posted by ttowntony /forum/post/16897610


Sure, it's okay. But, you should use a speaker designed for this type of application.




True!




Give a serious look into Triad Speakers. All of which are sealed designs and would work in your situation........Height specs is of concern, though.

http://www.triadspeakers.com/index.html

Yes, the dimensions are an issue. For the cabinet we're planning to use, the speakers can't be any taller than 8". On the other hand, the Snell speakers would fit like a glove (more or less). They're just a bit on the pricier side....


I know it sounds insane to chose the speakers after having chosen the cabinets, but the speakers have to live within my GF's "esthetic considerations"...

 

[ttowntony]



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but the speakers have to live within my GF's "esthetic considerations"...

LOL dude.....Just wait until you are married.

 

[4DHD]



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Sure, it's okay. But, you should use a speaker designed for this type of application.

http://www.triadspeakers.com/index.html

He was talking about bookshelf speakers, and despite the name type, I've never heard a bookshelf speaker that didn't sound better freestanding on some kind of stand or base, or mounted to the tops of a pair of subs.


I believe in removing all early first reflections.

 

[ap307]



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LOL dude.....Just wait until you are married.

Actually, the InRoom Bronze LCR would fit nicely. I would need to buy three of them - do you have a sense for how much that would run (couldn't find obvious price quotes on the web)?


Also, do you have a sense of how they would compare to Snell 570 or 1070 speakers?

 

[4DHD]



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Originally Posted by ap307 /forum/post/16897807


Actually, the InRoom Bronze LCR would fit nicely. I would need to buy three of them - do you have a sense for how much that would run (couldn't find obvious price quotes on the web)?

Triads are very good speakers, but once again you're wanting to take a vertical speaker and use it horizontally. You will get sound, but it don't be right.

And no matter the cost of any speaker, I'd want the right type of speaker. That's what the Traid gold center is for, but its too tall.

I'd suggest keep looking.

 

[ap307]



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Originally Posted by 4DHD /forum/post/16897918


Triads are very good speakers, but once again you're wanting to take a vertical speaker and use it horizontally. You will get sound, but it don't be right.

And no matter the cost of any speaker, I'd want the right type of speaker. That's what the Traid gold center is for, but its too tall.

I'd suggest keep looking.

Agg, good point. It looks like the Snell speakers may be the winner. Will solicit peoples' views of these speakers in a separate thread.

 

[pattyosu]

Hey aren't the classic threes sealed.

http://store.nhthifi.com/Three?sc=12&category=1210

 

[jgman]



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Originally Posted by pattyosu /forum/post/16898019


Hey aren't the classic threes sealed.

http://store.nhthifi.com/Three?sc=12&category=1210

Yes that's a good choice or the NHT classic twos or absolute zeros...beautiful speakers

 

[Hrimnir]

Maybe its just me, but if aesthetics are a concern, how could she possibly like that A/V cabinet? IMO its hideous. I personally think you would be better off with a traditional TV Stand that affords space for your A/V equipment, and then use either floorstanders, or bookshelves on stands. It will take up a hell of a lot less space, look better, sound better, and be a lot more flexible when it comes to wiring.

 

[4DHD]



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Originally Posted by ap307 /forum/post/16897969


Agg, good point. It looks like the Snell speakers may be the winner. Will solicit peoples' views of these speakers in a separate thread.

Starting about a decade ago, horizontal center speakers were getting slamed, and for good reason. They were nothing more than a MTM vertical speaker laid on its side.

And I only remember auditioning one MTM LCR I thought was good laying on its side and that was a James Loudspeaker, which has a coaxal tweeter/midrange.


Then a few years later WMTW started showing up. A big improvement having the tweeter and midrange vertically aligned, but having the mid-bass drivers to the sides.


Its much better to spend less on a proper horizontal center than to take a more costly vertical MTM and lay it on its side.