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TiVo incorporates advertisements in recorded list

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bfdtv

Discussion Starter · Jan 22, 2008

Until recently, TiVo customers only saw advertisements in TiVo Central.

With the DVR button a universal remote, it is possible to bypass TiVo Central and directly open the Now Playing list.

The main Now Playing screen does not have advertisements.

But this past week, TiVo added advertisements to folders within the Now Playing list.

A similar advertisement was also added to delete actions.

Thoughts?

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The delete one's been there for over a year. It doesn't impact keystrokes or behaviour in any way.

The folder one is mildly annoying. The jump-to-bottom shortcut is used by lots of folks who are catching up on a batch of recorded shows. If they'd fix the shortcut so it jumped to the bottom show and not the ad, my annoyance would be abated.

I'm all in support of TiVo generating cash. They still have the most solid and well integrated DVR of the bunch, and having them in the game keeps all the players working towards making the market a better place for users.

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Luke M

· #3 · Jan 23, 2008

It sucks. Tivo is trashing their reputation.

I upgraded from a Series 1 to Series 3 recently. Compared with the ancient Tivo, the new one has more features, but is also slower, buggier, and now has more advertising. I wonder whether I could have done better with a PC-based DVR like SageTV (I don't need CableCard).

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bicker1

· #4 · Jan 23, 2008

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Originally Posted by mrmike /forum/post/12896544

I'm all in support of TiVo generating cash. They still have the most solid and well integrated DVR of the bunch, and having them in the game keeps all the players working towards making the market a better place for users.

In the end, we consumers determine whether advertising works. If it doesn't work, then it won't be there.

I think it is nice to say we want an advertisement free environment, but we don't get that on television either, where it matters more, as far as I'm concerned. (I spend about 1 minute in the TiVo menus for every 45 minutes I spend watching television, eh?) I think the concerns about advertising in the TiVo menus are just resistance to change. The reality is you can skip over those menu advertisements even easier than you can skip television commercials.

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Luke M

· #5 · Jan 23, 2008

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Originally Posted by bicker1 /forum/post/12904084

I think the concerns about advertising in the TiVo menus are just resistance to change. The reality is you can skip over those menu advertisements even easier than you can skip television commercials.

Resistance to change is the reason why I'm complaining about it instead of immediately switching to the competition. So you're right in a way, although not in the way you meant.

Don't you think there's something funny about spending $700 on a device to skip TV commercials and then getting spammed by that device? Makes me feel very stupid.

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cholly

· #6 · Jan 23, 2008

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Originally Posted by Luke M /forum/post/12904423

Resistance to change is the reason why I'm complaining about it instead of immediately switching to the competition. So you're right in a way, although not in the way you meant.

Don't you think there's something funny about spending $700 on a device to skip TV commercials and then getting spammed by that device? Makes me feel very stupid.

I would hope that you bought your Series 3 for its advantages rather than just to skip commercials. It's a great DVR, with lots of increased capability, being able to record two shows while watching a previously recorded show, in addition to having both antenna and cable inputs.

BTW -- the ads appear on my Series 2 also.

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11001011

· #7 · Jan 23, 2008

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Originally Posted by bfdtv /forum/post/12896198

Thoughts?

Yeah it sucks, but what you gonna do?

Best thing to do is ignore them and eventually they will go away.

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gwsat

· #8 · Jan 23, 2008

I have a TiVo Series3 and when the advertising first started I sent TiVo feedback that I thought it was ill advised. I still think so but agree with what others have said, that it's no big deal, which you can easily avoid once you get used to it. Still when you consider what it costs to buy a TiVo box and a subscription for it, making we TiVo owners contend with advertising, despite our desire to avoid it, is an outrage. Shame, shame on TiVo!

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Luke M

· #9 · Jan 23, 2008

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Originally Posted by cholly /forum/post/12906264

I would hope that you bought your Series 3 for its advantages rather than just to skip commercials. It's a great DVR, with lots of increased capability, being able to record two shows while watching a previously recorded show, in addition to having both antenna and cable inputs.

BTW -- the ads appear on my Series 2 also.

Yes, I like the features. But I'm disappointed that the Series 3 is a less polished product than the Series 1.

The new style ads don't appear on the Series 1.

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Luke M

· #10 · Jan 23, 2008

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Originally Posted by 11001011 /forum/post/12906519

Yeah it sucks, but what you gonna do?

Well, I can tell you what I'm definitely not going to do: buy another Tivo.

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Originally Posted by 11001011 /forum/post/12906519

Best thing to do is ignore them and eventually they will go away.

Dream on.

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bfdtv

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 24, 2008

Luke,

What type of CableCard do you have? I know there are compatibility issues with a certain model of Scientific Atlanta CableCard.

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Luke M

· #12 · Jan 24, 2008

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Originally Posted by bfdtv /forum/post/12911509

What type of CableCard do you have? I know there are compatibility issues with a certain model of Scientific Atlanta CableCard.

None.

I ran into the total A/V freeze bug (see http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=376657 ) which requires a reboot. Another problem is that browse by channel is very flakey - sometimes displaying the wrong info, sometimes hanging.

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gwsat

· #13 · Jan 24, 2008

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Originally Posted by Luke M /forum/post/12911126

Yes, I like the features. But I'm disappointed that the Series 3 is a less polished product than the Series 1.

The new style ads don't appear on the Series 1.

I agree that the S1, one of which I bought in 2000 and used for nearly 4 years, probably had fewer ongoing problems that the S3 does, but the S3 (and the HD) are modern HD DVRs and the current version of the TiVo software is exponentially more capable than was the case with the S1. For example, the S1 required a dialup connection to download program data, while the S3 and HD are Internet enabled, which allows them to do a bunch of neat stuff that S1 couldn't spell.

Thus, I must fundamentally disagree with the notion that the the Series 3 is a less polished product than the Series 1.

That said, as I noted in an earlier post, I dislike the ads on the current TiVo machines and believe that TiVo made a mistake in including them. Still, I believe that the ads are a small price to pay for the unmatched flexibility and power of the S3 and HD - especially when compared to the SA DVRs that run the truly awful SARA software.

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bicker1

· #14 · Jan 24, 2008

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Originally Posted by Luke M /forum/post/12904423

Don't you think there's something funny about spending $700 on a device to skip TV commercials and then getting spammed by that device? Makes me feel very stupid.

My mother would always tell me, "No one can make you feel anything -- you do that to yourself." There really is nothing necessarily inconsistent with incurring a cost (pressing a button, seeing an ad, whatever) in order to capitalize on some superior advantage (time-shifting, etc.) The only thing to be concerned about is if you make assumptions about the device's functionality that aren't justified by the explicit promises of the device.

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11001011

· #15 · Jan 24, 2008

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Originally Posted by Luke M /forum/post/12911166

Well, I can tell you what I'm definitely not going to do: buy another Tivo.

Dream on.

Well if nobody responds positively or clicks on them and watches the commercial the ads they will eventually go away because nobody will buy the ad space.

The "pop-up" ads during fast forward went away.

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11001011

· #16 · Jan 24, 2008

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Originally Posted by gwsat /forum/post/12912165

For example, the S1 required a dialup connection to download program data, while the S3 and HD are Internet enabled, which allows them to do a bunch of neat stuff that S1 couldn’t spell.

Well not out of the box, but there were network add on cards for series 1 Tivo's, and plenty of community hack and upgrades like TivoWeb that gave series 1 Tivo's much of the same, and in someways better functionality then my Tivo-HD and Tivo Desktop.

The TurboNET Ethernet Adapter Card

Tivo CacheCARD With Network Interface

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Luke M

· #17 · Jan 24, 2008

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Originally Posted by 11001011 /forum/post/12912263

Well if nobody responds positively or clicks on them and watches the commercial the ads they will eventually go away because nobody will buy the ad space.

And if nobody responds to email spam, email spam will go away.

So what? Until I get mind control powers and can order the rest of humanity around, that's completely irrelevant.

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11001011

· #18 · Jan 24, 2008

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Originally Posted by Luke M /forum/post/12912506

And if nobody responds to email spam, email spam will go away.

So what? Until I get mind control powers and can order the rest of humanity around, that's completely irrelevant.

Well I don't think we are going to see ads at the bottom of my Tivo menu for P E.N1S [email protected] P1.L LS c .

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bicker1

· #19 · Jan 24, 2008

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Originally Posted by Luke M /forum/post/12912506

So what? Until I get mind control powers and can order the rest of humanity around, that's completely irrelevant.

Irrelevant, no. Of little solace, yes. Solace isn't a requirement though. When reality hands us something we don't like, what can we do except learn to accept it? We have the power to choose the product as it is offered, choose another if any better are available (there aren't, of course), or choose to do without it. Those are the only choices we have.

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Luke M

· #20 · Jan 24, 2008

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Originally Posted by bicker1 /forum/post/12915339

Irrelevant, no. Of little solace, yes. Solace isn't a requirement though. When reality hands us something we don't like, what can we do except learn to accept it? We have the power to choose the product as it is offered, choose another if any better are available (there aren't, of course), or choose to do without it. Those are the only choices we have.

That's my point. Any statement that "we" determine whether advertising (or anything else) works is vacuous. Controlling what other people do is not one of the options.

Can you support the "(there aren't, of course)"? Do you have some knowledge to share?

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