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In a previous post, I asked for advice on a DVD recorder to replace my twice failed Samsung machine. The main purpose being to dump recordings from my TiVo to DVD. The advice from all who responded was the Philips DVDR3576H/37.

So, as promised, I am giving a real life experience of the Philips DVDR3576H/37 in regards to dubbing video from TiVo.

The machine arrived late yesterday and as soon as I had time I hooked it up with S-Video in from the TiVo and HDMI out to our Sharp Aquos LCD. The initial attempt at a direct dub from the TiVo to DVD burner was a complete bust. I got the dreaded "Cannot record this program to +VR mode". Looking up this error in the manual told me exactly what I feared. The video (a non-commercial documentary) was a "copy once" format. So I freaked. I had just spent $300 on a machine to dump my TiVo recordings to DVD and this machine wouldn't do the job. Since NewEgg has an exchange only policy for such things I was stuck with a piece of hardware that wasn't currently very useful to me. Of course once we move out of the country and I have to give up my TiVo, it is a reasonable replacement.

After taking a couple of deep breaths I started thinking about the possibility of a work around. I pulled out a DVD-RW so I could erase any failures and do some temporary testing. I then recorded about 5 minutes of the same program to the hard drive. Then I hit the direct dubbing button and much to my amazement and delight, the machine recorded the 5 minute sample to DVD without any problems or error messages. I then erased the disk and went through the same process with material from a different channel source. Same result. So I set up a full timer recording, TiVo to Philips HD and went to bed.

This morning, I checked the recording on the HD, and it was fine and complete. I then edited out the trailing material from the end of the program and hit the direct dub button. I chose high speed dubbing and about 20min later the 90min program was dubbed to DVD.

So, in conclusion, I don't understand the mechanics of why TiVo to DVD is prohibited but TiVo to HD to DVD is OK, but I'm both happy and relieved. And truth be told, it's much easier to edit the material on the HD than it was to edit it on DVD-RW in VR mode on the garbage Samsung recorder.

** Note. This experience is with a DirectTV Hughes TiVo-2. As to other TiVo boxes, your experience may be different.
 

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I'm not so sure, subeluvr. Seems to me if you were recording an old VHS tape to a DVD, you'd be able to play the recording directly to the DVD burner. This is much the same thing, only the original recording is on a TiVo rather than a video tape.


I'm just surprised the thing recorded to the Philips' hard drive when it already refused to record it to DVD. More surprised that it then WOULD make a DVD once it had the recording on board.
 

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I bought this DVDR based on positive reviews. I also want to be able to record my DirecTV/Tivo movies from HBO/SHO/STRZ to watch later. I tried copying a recent movie to HDD and that works, but the dubbing option is disabled. For some titles, there is apparently no way to get a DVD-R copy. If I'm missing something, I'd like to know more. Thanks.
 

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I bought this DVDR based on positive reviews. I also want to be able to record my DirecTV/Tivo movies from HBO/SHO/STRZ to watch later. I tried copying a recent movie to HDD and that works, but the dubbing option is disabled. For some titles, there is apparently no way to get a DVD-R copy. If I'm missing something, I'd like to know more. Thanks.

The shows prob. have copy-once (CO) protection in them. Have you first tried a -RW disc like raincat above did... theoretically shouldn't work since the 3576 can't format -RW for VR-mode, but -RW discs did work somehow for raincat?


There've been lots of reports lately about programs containing CO-protection, and some or many of those have found the CO flag in COMMERCIALS! Your HBO/SHO/STRZ shows might have full-program CO if they don't have commercials, or they might have other nonmovie stuff like promos, etc. w/CO protection in them? (Are you paying extra for those premium channels in your monthly sub. fee, or are they PPV or on-demand, i.e., pay-by-view?)


If they DO have nonmovie stuff, you could try editing out that stuff, being careful to delete ALL the nonmovie parts incl. fades to/from black, then try to dub again to a -R... for a good test, remove more than you think at each nonmovie section to be sure... your edit points can move up to 14 frames with a high-speed dub?
 

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The shows prob. have copy-once (CO) protection in them. Have you first tried a -RW disc like raincat above did...

Yes, I tried to record from Tivo to an RW disc and that also got the error. Multiple movie titles from HBO and STRZ have failed. I have not tried a SHO title yet, but I have no hopes that any premium channel can be off-loaded to DVD-R. No problems (yet?) recording a old movie from TCM (part of basic package).


I pay an extra $33 a month to DirecTV for the 3 premium movie channels. The value of that subscription has dropped significantly!
 

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Yes, I tried to record from Tivo to an RW disc and that also got the error. Multiple movie titles from HBO and STRZ have failed. I have not tried a SHO title yet, but I have no hopes that any premium channel can be off-loaded to DVD-R. No problems (yet?) recording a old movie from TCM (part of basic package).


I pay an extra $33 a month to DirecTV for the 3 premium movie channels. The value of that subscription has dropped significantly!

Someone with a single-disc recorder just reported success recording a CO program using a +RW disc, so that might be something to try IF you've got one around... theoretically still shouldn't work so I wouldn't buy more than 1 just for a test!



There are "filters" that will strip protection, including this converter that Nextoo tested and its additional advantage is that it converts Component output from your box to S-Video for the recorder, but maintains full 16:9 aspect ratio.
 

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Bob, I think your CP problem is the do not copy issue and has been around for some time, mostly from pay channels like HBO etc. This is a different issue than the copy once issue. I'm sure any DVDR would exhibit the same problem. As Wajo said a (relatively) cheap filter should easily fix your problem and would have the added benefit of being able to backup your DVDs.

I wouldn't be without one(or actually more than one
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So then I'm thinking that would answer your question about using one of these to record Blu-ray (maybe)? And you could actually copy one to a Blu-ray burner in full HD (or TV broadcasts, too)? It does say in 1080i.


I guess that might be worth the extra cost, then.


Another thing - does "setting the widescreen flag" mean that you will be able to use the VF to record to something other than DVD-RAM in widescreen? I never was quite sure about the precise meaning of the term "setting the widescreen flag", but I kind of assumed that's what it meant (you can tell I'm no great expert on this stuff).
 

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The key would be that you needed a device that could record HD AND have component inputs. I don't think they're many of those things around. I think the Geffen HD recorder has component inputs but I wouldn't touch one of those things
and of course some DVDRs have component inputs but they don't record HD. I think their might also be some PC devices that have component inputs(Hupp. something or another comes to mind) sorry I don't follow PC devices much.

AFA the flag I think the only advantage to having that set would be if you played that recording on a 4:3 TV. Without the flag playing that recording on a 4:3 TV would result in a picture where the whole 16:9 image is crammed into the 4:3 frame, IOW tall and skinny people


Even if the flag is not set you'll still get the 16:9 recording and it will look just fine on a 16:9 display.

Note I'm no expert either but I think I've got it straight, I'm open to corrections though
 

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I think the Geffen HD recorder has component inputs but I wouldn't touch one of those things
and of course some DVDRs have component inputs but they don't record HD.

No, I don't have $1000.00 to piss away on an 80GB recorder, either.



Do ya' think if I were to use The Video Filter to record Blu-ray downscaled to 480i through my Sony's component inputs it would look a lot better than a 480i disc normally would? I mean remarkably better?


(Not that I'm gonna go out and buy a Video Filter and Blu-ray player and start buying or renting Blu-ray discs, but I'm just wondering, for the sake of discussion and knowledge to everyone else here.)
 

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I doubt it would look better than a commercial DVD. For one think commercial DVDs are usually DL and would have a higher bit rate than you could probably use. Commercial discs would also have true VBR.

Now I suppose if one was to use one of the CP devices on the component output of a BR player and feed that into a computer with component inputs and then burn it to a standard DVD on one of the HD on DVD formats, now that's bound to look better than a commercial DVD. Probably close to the BR original although you'd need a BR or HD DVD player to play it back. It is a interesting idea though
 

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Well, if I copy a standard def DVD using the CT-200, there is a tiny loss in sharpness and detail - but it's there if you look. I was just wondering if copying from a Blu-Ray disc would make up for that, and maybe then some.


(I normally only copy a CP'd disc to RAM to keep the widescreen mode - I've never actually tried it through component to the Sony, because the CT-200 doesn't have that capability.)
 

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Originally Posted by Bob in Jupiter /forum/post/14944349


Yes, I tried to record from Tivo to an RW disc and that also got the error. Multiple movie titles from HBO and STRZ have failed. I have not tried a SHO title yet, but I have no hopes that any premium channel can be off-loaded to DVD-R. No problems (yet?) recording a old movie from TCM (part of basic package).

Just an update for anyone with DirecTV considering the Philips DVDR3576H/37: it's not just the premium movie channels that have the copy protection. I just recorded a movie on ABCF because I want to edit out the commercials before watching it. Like the HBO and STRZ titles that I tried before, this title also appears on the list with dubbing disabled.


I can't wait to receive and try out the filter. I'm glad to read from joed32 that he is happy with the DP-X7000
 

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Like the HBO and STRZ titles that I tried before, this title also appears on the list with dubbing disabled.

I thought your problem with trying to record HBO etc. was that the 3576 would not let you record it period? Was it recording to HDD and then just not letting you dub it to DVD? That's a different problem the copy once flag, the other flag is the "do not copy" flag.

I believe the filter should remove both flags but I'm not as positive about the "copy once" flag.

The copy once flag sure seems to be popping up a lot lately, in regards to the 3576 anyway.
 

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I thought your problem with trying to record HBO etc. was that the 3576 would not let you record it period? Was it recording to HDD and then just not letting you dub it to DVD? That's a different problem the copy once flag, the other flag is the "do not copy" flag.

I believe the filter should remove both flags but I'm not as positive about the "copy once" flag.

The copy once flag sure seems to be popping up a lot lately, in regards to the 3576 anyway.

I've only had the 3576 since Friday, so my experience is limited, but initial tests were SHO/HBO directly to DVD-R which the unit refuses to do, but so far, everything (from Tivo) will copy to HDD. If the recording to DVD-R is blocked, then the dubbing to DVD-R from HDD is also blocked.


I have no way of knowing what flags are present in the signals. Whatever they are, they must be fairly new because my old Panasonic (a couple years old) had no problem recording from Tivo, but it would disallow a commercial DVD and some VHS tapes.
 
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