I would take a look at the new Revel Concerta series. Vandys require precise placement to shine, so I don't consider them really friendly.
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Waterfall Acoustics makes some nice speakers out of glass... Oh, wait, did you mean transparent sound? Never mind! 
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Well then you know how easy it was to set them up, unless of course you didn’t know what you were doing or had limited space for the speakers.
The detailed instructions are for the novices, but there is nothing wrong with good instructions now is there!? Even a novice can abide by the instructions and get great sound from the speakers. Yes, the OP’s MMV, because obviously mine did from yours and vice versa.
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LMAO!
| Originally Posted by tonygeno I've owned 2Cs, and 3As. I would not consider them "friendly" or "cooperative", based on your description of the detailed instructions needed to properly set them up. The OP's mileage may vary, of course. |
The detailed instructions are for the novices, but there is nothing wrong with good instructions now is there!? Even a novice can abide by the instructions and get great sound from the speakers. Yes, the OP’s MMV, because obviously mine did from yours and vice versa.
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| Originally Posted by PULLIAMM Waterfall Acoustics makes some nice speakers out of glass... Oh, wait, did you mean transparent sound? Never mind! |
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I am tired of playing your argument game. Go find someone else to nag because it won't work with me anymore. You didn't like the Vandersteens and felt they have a 12" listening window. I like them a lot and can walk around my living room without losing any accuracy or transient response. Obviously we have different tastes or hear differently and there is certainly nothing wrong with that. The OP should audition which ever speakers he wants to and can make his own decision without us bickering about who is right or wrong.
nottingham365, good luck in your search buddy. Remember to have fun!
| Originally Posted by tonygeno Their first order design means that you have to be in the "sweet" spot for them to really sing. As long as you don't mind your head being in a 12" area to fully appreciate them, the OP should give the a try. However, given my understanding of his requirements, they do not seem to be the "friendly" speaker he's looking for. I think he'd be better off with a speaker that uses steeper crossovers as they tend to be less placement sensitive. |
nottingham365, good luck in your search buddy. Remember to have fun!
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Have a nice life? We aren't breaking up here ya know
Maybe my room acoustics and more space allow me to enjoy the Vandersteen's better than you did. Perhaps my choice in pre amps, amps, and CD players is giving a more accurate signal than what you had. Who knows!? There are a bunch of things that need to be factored in when explained why X sounds the way it does. My point was that with proper setup they will sound phenomenal, and I used the words “in my opinion,†something you seem to want to argue with. An opinion can’t be wrong so you are wasting your time. Although you had different experiences, that doesn’t mean that the OP, myself, or anyone else will have the same one that you did. And to clear things up, I got into this discussion because the tone you used implied that you were dismissing the speaker to the OP without giving a legitimate reason. Remember, many people on this forum claim to have listened to things and/or are bias towards a speakers, hence bashing everything else. Again, this is what you appear(ed) to be doing. And let's not forget the other thread in which you falsely accused myself and others of not listening to the speaker in question and added nothing to the actual discussion. I won't quote you because it's petty trying to make you look foolish, though it wouldn't be hard. The thread is still open so I will let others find it on their own.
Getting to an actual discussion, I fully agree that first order crossovers take a more critical setup. Multiple drivers can be physically aligned and blended together using crossovers with first-order slopes to deliver all frequencies to the listener with correct time and phase accuracy. This allows the original waveform to be accurately reproduced, but yes, it has a narrow listening window. However, the some speakers with this crossover type can be tilted back and forth to ensure the proper time alignment. This experiment doesn't take long and is actually fun. When it sounds best, then you are done experimenting with the tilt. Once this is complete, it is my OPINION that it will sound better than any forth order crossover design.
| Originally Posted by tonygeno You seem to follow all my posts with a nasty little response. So, who's playing the games? Here are some of your nuances for this thread, directed at me: and Who's playing the argument game? And, who's nagging whom? Hmmmm........ Now, to get back to the discussion at hand: any speaker will lose accuracy or transient response walking around the room. Any speaker. Vandersteens will just lose it earlier, unless you did something to the crossover. First order crossovers inherently have a small sweet spot. That sweet spot is very sweet: I've owned Thiels, Vandersteens and my all time 1st order faves, Duntech PCL-3s. While they all sounded different, they all threw a holographic image in the sweet spot. Outside of the sweet spot, they all sounded rather mediocre. If the Vanderseens perform the way you say they do when walking around the room, why the need for the "precise" setup? And how is that setup varied as you walk around the room? Have you connected them to some sort of device that magically varies the tilt as you sit or stand? As I said in the other thread, have a nice life. |
Have a nice life? We aren't breaking up here ya know
Maybe my room acoustics and more space allow me to enjoy the Vandersteen's better than you did. Perhaps my choice in pre amps, amps, and CD players is giving a more accurate signal than what you had. Who knows!? There are a bunch of things that need to be factored in when explained why X sounds the way it does. My point was that with proper setup they will sound phenomenal, and I used the words “in my opinion,†something you seem to want to argue with. An opinion can’t be wrong so you are wasting your time. Although you had different experiences, that doesn’t mean that the OP, myself, or anyone else will have the same one that you did. And to clear things up, I got into this discussion because the tone you used implied that you were dismissing the speaker to the OP without giving a legitimate reason. Remember, many people on this forum claim to have listened to things and/or are bias towards a speakers, hence bashing everything else. Again, this is what you appear(ed) to be doing. And let's not forget the other thread in which you falsely accused myself and others of not listening to the speaker in question and added nothing to the actual discussion. I won't quote you because it's petty trying to make you look foolish, though it wouldn't be hard. The thread is still open so I will let others find it on their own.
Getting to an actual discussion, I fully agree that first order crossovers take a more critical setup. Multiple drivers can be physically aligned and blended together using crossovers with first-order slopes to deliver all frequencies to the listener with correct time and phase accuracy. This allows the original waveform to be accurately reproduced, but yes, it has a narrow listening window. However, the some speakers with this crossover type can be tilted back and forth to ensure the proper time alignment. This experiment doesn't take long and is actually fun. When it sounds best, then you are done experimenting with the tilt. Once this is complete, it is my OPINION that it will sound better than any forth order crossover design.
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