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Just hooked up LG BD390 blu-ray player to my Pioneer VSX-815 receiver via analog multichannel outputs to enjoy lossless audio. Sounds okay, but my center channel speaker sounds muffled...like I have cotton balls in my ears. Is there something I am missing at the receiver end? To get the audio to play through the analog inputs, I have to select DVD 5.1 channel analog input on the receiver. Is there a way to calibrate just this input that won't mess up the original auto calibration of my speaker setup? I should mention I am using Athena Micra 6 speakers. My settings at the blu-ray player are DRC "Off", outputting 192kHz, and all speakers set to size "Small" and level "High".
 

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This is just a guess, and please don't kill me if I'm wrong... (only guessing because I've done it myself)


Is it possible you have your subwoofer channel switched with your center channel output?
 

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Good theory, I bet that might be it! Could be on either end, your player 5.1 outputs or receiver's 5.1 inputs. One of them got crossed.
 

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You know, I will check it out when I get home tonite. Wouldn't be the first time I did something that stupid. But now, upon further listening, all of my speakers sound somewhat muffled. Not really as satisfying as I had hoped lossless would be. I am wondering if the analog DVD 5.1 setting somehow bypasses the auto-calibration that I did of the receiver awhile back. And if so, is there a way I can calibrate just the analog without messing up my other settings?


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Nope. I didn't swap center and sub. Would have been happy if that was all it was. Blu-ray has a speaker test so I just ran that to make sure cables right...didnt' wanna pull everything back out to physically check. Everything still less than stellar. Maybe I should have just spuing for a new receiver with HDMI?
 

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Nope. I didn't swap center and sub. Would have been happy if that was all it was. Blu-ray has a speaker test so I just ran that to make sure cables right...didnt' wanna pull everything back out to physically check. Everything still less than stellar. Maybe I should have just spuing for a new receiver with HDMI?

Sounds to me like you have a blown tweeter.
 

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Sounds to me like you have a blown tweeter.

That's what I was thinking too.
 

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I guess I could believe blown tweeter if all the other outputs didn't sound fine. I hooked up digital coax on the blu-ray last night and everything sounded fine in DTS. And now I realize that the analog multichannel does indeed bypass the receivers calibration. So am I right to think that the only calibration I can do is within the blu-ray player itself? For analog, the blu-ray only offers speaker setting of "Size" (Small, Large) and "Level" (High, Middle, Low). And for subwoofer "Yes" or "No" and "Level" (High, Middle, Low). Right now every speaker (and sub) is set to "Small" and High. With just these settings to work with in the blu-ray player, how to I calibrate to get the best possible sound thru analog?


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I am wondering if the analog DVD 5.1 setting somehow bypasses the auto-calibration that I did of the receiver awhile back. And if so, is there a way I can calibrate just the analog without messing up my other settings? Thanks.

This is almost certainly the case. Very few (and only very expensive) receivers have the capability to re-digitize incoming analog signals, in order to apply processing to them which happens in the digital domain).


That's why analog multi-channel source devices like BD players always have at least a basic speaker setup and bass management menu. Whatever calibration there is to be done will have to be done on the player (and is unlikely to include any equalization).


You'll probably get better sound using the standard digital audio output, optical or coax. No, it won't be lossless, but it will still be the high-bitrate "core" audio present on nearly all BDs, which to most ears sounds nearly indistinguishable from lossless -- and it will benefit from your AVR's processing.
 

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Yea. I don't get it. I was looking forward to lossless audio, but it is just murky all around. Maybe I need better speakers. Right now everything is just muffled...like I have cotton balls in my ears. It is loud enough for sure, but just not very sharp. I might try to level my speakers better through the player, but the options in the player are limited. There has to be a way to level, etc. the analogs on the receiver end too, right? I am gonna tinker with it some more this weekend, I guess, but for now I am hooked up to my digital coax which sounds fine.
 

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Hello,

If your Speakers are not that large, I would substitute one of your other Speakers for your Center Channel to see if you are still getting muffled sound and if the CC tweeter is blown.


I do agree that the higher resolution Speakers you have, the better you will be able to differentiate between the lossless codecs and DD/DTS from a DVD Player or Sat/Cable Box.


With all of that being said, some tests have been performed where Reviewers have not been able to differentiate between True HD and DTS HD and standard DD or DTS. And these tests were performed with top notch equipment in a controlled situation. If memory serves it was a Home Entertainment Magazine Article.


Regardless of other's experiences, I have found the lossless codecs sound great and do seem more dynamic than the experience I got from DVD's and Cable TV Dolby Digital. Not as profound as the change from Pro Logic to Dolby Digital, but still better.

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Originally Posted by reznor99 /forum/post/18196738


There has to be a way to level, etc. the analogs on the receiver end too, right?

I just explained to you why that's not the case. If you're not going to read the advice people give you, why should we bother giving it?
 

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I'll just add one more thing, I have not seen the anomally he is describing. Analog out to analog in usually has great fidelity. Some levels issues at times, but the fideltiy is usaully very good.
 

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Seems like the op either has a set-up issue with his Blu-ray player, a speaker issue, or center channel wired out of phase.


All easy to check.
 

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I just explained to you why that's not the case. If you're not going to read the advice people give you, why should we bother giving it?

Easy, man. I took your advice. I appreciate the help and I have since realized, as you pointed out and I suspected, that my receiver bypasses any processing for analogs. But...in my later post, I wasn't inquiring about full-on processing/calibrating. I was inquiring about just leveling the speakers on the receiver end, which I found out my receiver can do just fine. However, I still don't like the sound very much. Switching back and forth from analog to coax, coax just sounds more dynamic and rich. The coax benefits more from the receiver's processing I guess.
 
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