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Hi, I'm looking to get a Technics SL-1200MK5, as I used to have one loooooong ago. A SL1210M5G (MK5G) would be nice too. Turntable Lab sometimes has them.
They're restored in Japan? Anyways, is there another TT store or site that would have some restored to Spec? Google gives me a lot of blah-blah-blah.
Any Help, Tips, Recs, Links will be appreciated.
 

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Thanks for the links!
When Technics left that market, the Audio Technica AT-LP1240 ($499)generally became the new standard DJ turntable. Though with the right cartridge it also makes a good Hi-Fi turntable.

https://www.turntablelab.com/products/audio-technica-at-lp1240-usb-dj-direct-drive-turntable

Probably on an equal footing with that, the Stanton ST-150 with Curved Tonearm ($599) is a good choice. The lower cost turntables, as low as $350, use more plastic. The Stanton and the Audio Technica are on metal base platforms.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...t150m2_ultra_high_torque_s_arm_turntable.html

BUT ...and this is important... for Hi-Fi you want the Stanton ST-150 WITH THE CURVED TONEARM. The straight tonearm model has a much shorter tonearm and that is OK for DJ Scratching use, but not the best for Hi-Fi. For Hi-Fi you want the longer Tonearm of the curved "S"-shaped model.

RELOOP
is also a player in the DJ market, and make very decent rugged turntables. Again, the span quite a range of prices starting at about $350. The Reloop 1000 is a very low cost Belt Drive model, but all the models 2000 and above have Direct Drive Motors. On the very highest end of Reloop there are models that have special features that virtually NO Hi-Fi person would ever want or need.

Notice this model Reloop RP-8000 ($699) has a long row of buttons along the left side. Those are the special features that you will never use for Hi-Fi -

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RP8000--reloop-rp-8000-turntable

The Reloop RP-7000 ($499) on the other hand is a pretty straight forward turntable and at a pretty reasonable price -

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...oop-rp-7000-mk2-direct-drive-turntable-silver

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RP7000mkII--reloop-rp-7000-mk2-direct-drive-turntable-black

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...2-direct-drive-turntable-limited-edition-gold

Now if your budget is tight, though that is not the sense that I get, the Reloop RP-2000 ($279) is a Direct Driver model at a very modest price. Especially low priced at SWEETWATER, most places are selling this for $350.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RP2000mk2--reloop-rp-2000-mk2-turntable


The only other turntable remotely close to that would be the Audio Technica AT-LP120 for $299 at Sweetwater -

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...hnica-at-lp120bk-usb-turntable-with-usb-black

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...chnica-at-lp120-usb-turntable-with-usb-silver

On rare occasion you will see the LP-120 go on sale for closer to $200, and sometime you can walk in the door at Musician Supply Stores (Sweetwater, ZZound, Guitar Center, ...) and find these on sale.

Generally the turntables in roughly the $500 to ~$600 range are pretty sweet, and very close to the original Technics models.

Most of these Turntables have very high-torque motors, which is why Radio DJs used them. You can have the turntable off, with the stylus in the Lead-In/Dead Groove just before the song you want, and when you switch it On, the turntable will be fully up to speed before it is out of the Lead-In/Dead Groove.

Those listed are not the only turntables to consider, but since you mentioned the Technics 1200 and 1210 I continued on with similar turntables.

Also a reminder that most DJ turntables DO NOT come with a Cartridge. For Hi-Fi you want Elliptical or Hybrid-Elliptical stylus.

In more traditional Hi-Fi Turntables, is roughly the same price range, consider these -

https://www.musicdirect.com/recommended-gifts-under-500/pro-ject-debut-carbon-dc-turntable

https://www.musicdirect.com/recommended-gifts-under-500/rega-planar-1-black

https://www.musicdirect.com/customer-favorites-our-best-selling-gear/rega-planar-1-plus-turntable-p1

The Rega Planar 1 PLUS would be the preferred model over the standard Planar 1.

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/pro-ject-debut-carbon-esprit-sb-turntable

The Music Hall MMF-2.3 is $799 in Rosewood, but only $499 in BLACK ( pre-installed Music Hall Spirit MM cartridge (a $100 value specially built by the experts at Audio Technica))

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/music-hall-mmf-23-turntable

$100 cheaper, but still a very nice turntable - Music Hall MMF-1.5 - $399 -

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/Music-Hall-MMF-15-Turntable

This is a cross section of possibilities in Hi-Fi Turntables.

Once you decide on a turntable, and we work out the Cartridge Budget, we can probably come up with a range of good Cartridges to consider.

Though note that most HI-FI Turntable come with a good Cartridge. DJ turntables leave you to choose your own.

I would speculate that Elliptical Cartridge in the $100 to $250 range would be more than enough.


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Additional Note - While TECHNICS is back in the turntable game, they want a pretty substantial sum of money to have TECHNICS printed on the turntable. To some extent they are trading on their reputation.

HOWEVER ... all the reviews I've read of all the New Technics Turntables have been first rate. They do deliver to their reputed standard of quality and then some, but THEY ARE NOT CHEAP.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Technics/SL-1200MK7-Direct-Drive-Professional-DJ-Turntable.gc

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod..._sl_1210gr_direct_drive_turntable_system.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...210MK2_SL_1210MK2_Professional_Turntable.html

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Additional Note - While TECHNICS is back in the turntable game, they want a pretty substantial sum of money to have TECHNICS printed on the turntable. To some extent they are trading on their reputation.

HOWEVER ... all the reviews I've read of all the New Technics Turntables have been first rate. They do deliver to their reputed standard of quality and then some, but THEY ARE NOT CHEAP.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Technics/SL-1200MK7-Direct-Drive-Professional-DJ-Turntable.gc

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod..._sl_1210gr_direct_drive_turntable_system.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...210MK2_SL_1210MK2_Professional_Turntable.html

Steve/bluewizard

From the choices you mentioned, would the pioneer plx-1000 be a good turntable? I am coming from a pro-ject debut carbon with a 2m red and just recently sold it to upgrade mine.


I am looking for a denon dl-110 or ortofon 2m bronze to pair it with the plx-1000.
 

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From the choices you mentioned, would the pioneer plx-1000 be a good turntable? I am coming from a pro-ject debut carbon with a 2m red and just recently sold it to upgrade mine.

I am looking for a denon dl-110 or ortofon 2m bronze to pair it with the plx-1000.
Do you definitely want a DJ-Style turntable (Technics, Reloop, Stanton, Audio Technica, ...)?

Given that you are looking at the PIONEER PLX-1000 (£699 w/o Cartridge) -

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1070539-REG/pioneer_plx_1000_professional_turntable.html

We have to assume your working budget is about $800 at least - $700 turntable + min $100 Cartridge. Though in your case, you are looking at $350 to $450 Cartridges -

https://www.musicdirect.com/phono-cartridges/denon-dl-110-mc-phono-cartridge

The Denon DL110 ($349) is a MOVING COIL Cartridge, as such the output is very low, 10 times lower than a standard MM (moving magnet) Cartridge. That will take a special MC Pre-Amp to handle the extra Amplifications.

The Ortofon 2M Bronze ($440) is a MOVING MAGNET and should work well with standard MM Input found on most Amps.

Others -

https://www.musicdirect.com/new-to-...udio-Technica-VM750SH-Dual-MM-Phono-Cartridge


I think there is a review at Stereophile on the PLX-1000. Very high torque motors, and a generally good performer. Though I saw a YouTube video that indicated it was a bit more prone to feedback than most DJ Turntables. However, that was for Stadium DJ Purposes. I suspect for in-home Hi-Fi use, that is not remotely a problem.

But, look at Music Direct, Crutchfield, & Audio Advisor for Hi-Fi Turntables. There are many to choose from in a similar price range and most like come with very decent cartridges.

While there are many to choose from, the Music Hall MMF-2.3 in Black would run about $499 and come with a $100 Cartridge.

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/music-hall-mmf-23-turntable

Of course there are many from REGA, and Project to consider.

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/pro-ject-debut-carbon-esprit-sb-turntable

Though the Carbon Esprit is not much of an upgrade from the Carbon Debut.

Here is the Rega Planer 2 model ($695)-

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/rega-planar-2-black

Though pushing over $1000 the REGA Planer 3 is very highly rated and recommended -

https://www.musicdirect.com/top-rated-components/rega-planar-3-turntable-p3-aregattp3be

The Project 1Xpressions Carbon Classic takes you right to $1000 -

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/pro-ject-1xpression-carbon-classic-turntable

At a similar price the Music Hall MMF-5.3 ($1050) is nice -

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/music-hall-mmf-53-turntable

In Rosewood finish, the MMF-5.3 is $1395. If I were in the market, this is a turntable I would seriously consider.

So, nothing wrong with the Pioneer PLX-1000, if that is the style turntable you want. I have covered most of the other brands of DJ-Style Turntables, though I have not necessarily covered all the models.

I'm sensing about thinking about it that - Turntable and Cartridge - would take you into about the $1100 range using the turntable and cartridges you suggested.

Again, most Hi-Fi turntables will come with a good cartridge. If you consider this style of turntable, I would suggest you live with the installed cartridge for a year or more, before you start weighing upgrade.

In DJ-Style, since most don't come with a cartridge, you would need to make the decision when you purchase. I suspect if you order a pretty decent turntable and a good cartridge, they might be inclined to install and align the Cartridge for free.

Still, the turntable I am most attracted to is the Music Hall MMF-5.2 in Rosenut. That version also comes with a Ortofon 2M Bronze Cartridge which accounts for a significant portion of the price increase. The Black 5.3 comes with the Ortofon 2M Blue ($236) installed.

Still, if you prefer the DJ-Style, the Pioneer or any of the others that I mentioned, would also be a good choice. Very rugged turntables, with precision high-torque motors.

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Do you definitely want a DJ-Style turntable (Technics, Reloop, Stanton, Audio Technica, ...)?

Given that you are looking at the PIONEER PLX-1000 (£699 w/o Cartridge) -

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1070539-REG/pioneer_plx_1000_professional_turntable.html

We have to assume your working budget is about $800 at least - $700 turntable + min $100 Cartridge. Though in your case, you are looking at $350 to $450 Cartridges -

https://www.musicdirect.com/phono-cartridges/denon-dl-110-mc-phono-cartridge

The Denon DL110 ($349) is a MOVING COIL Cartridge, as such the output is very low, 10 times lower than a standard MM (moving magnet) Cartridge. That will take a special MC Pre-Amp to handle the extra Amplifications.

The Ortofon 2M Bronze ($440) is a MOVING MAGNET and should work well with standard MM Input found on most Amps.

Others -

https://www.musicdirect.com/new-to-...udio-Technica-VM750SH-Dual-MM-Phono-Cartridge


I think there is a review at Stereophile on the PLX-1000. Very high torque motors, and a generally good performer. Though I saw a YouTube video that indicated it was a bit more prone to feedback than most DJ Turntables. However, that was for Stadium DJ Purposes. I suspect for in-home Hi-Fi use, that is not remotely a problem.

But, look at Music Direct, Crutchfield, & Audio Advisor for Hi-Fi Turntables. There are many to choose from in a similar price range and most like come with very decent cartridges.

While there are many to choose from, the Music Hall MMF-2.3 in Black would run about $499 and come with a $100 Cartridge.

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/music-hall-mmf-23-turntable

Of course there are many from REGA, and Project to consider.

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/pro-ject-debut-carbon-esprit-sb-turntable

Though the Carbon Esprit is not much of an upgrade from the Carbon Debut.

Here is the Rega Planer 2 model ($695)-

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/rega-planar-2-black

Though pushing over $1000 the REGA Planer 3 is very highly rated and recommended -

https://www.musicdirect.com/top-rated-components/rega-planar-3-turntable-p3-aregattp3be

The Project 1Xpressions Carbon Classic takes you right to $1000 -

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/pro-ject-1xpression-carbon-classic-turntable

At a similar price the Music Hall MMF-5.3 ($1050) is nice -

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/music-hall-mmf-53-turntable

In Rosewood finish, the MMF-5.3 is $1395. If I were in the market, this is a turntable I would seriously consider.

So, nothing wrong with the Pioneer PLX-1000, if that is the style turntable you want. I have covered most of the other brands of DJ-Style Turntables, though I have not necessarily covered all the models.

I'm sensing about thinking about it that - Turntable and Cartridge - would take you into about the $1100 range using the turntable and cartridges you suggested.

Again, most Hi-Fi turntables will come with a good cartridge. If you consider this style of turntable, I would suggest you live with the installed cartridge for a year or more, before you start weighing upgrade.

In DJ-Style, since most don't come with a cartridge, you would need to make the decision when you purchase. I suspect if you order a pretty decent turntable and a good cartridge, they might be inclined to install and align the Cartridge for free.

Still, the turntable I am most attracted to is the Music Hall MMF-5.2 in Rosenut. That version also comes with a Ortofon 2M Bronze Cartridge which accounts for a significant portion of the price increase. The Black 5.3 comes with the Ortofon 2M Blue ($236) installed.

Still, if you prefer the DJ-Style, the Pioneer or any of the others that I mentioned, would also be a good choice. Very rugged turntables, with precision high-torque motors.

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Thanks, I'm not really into the DJ style as I was attracted for the price of a mint condition used for $550.

I was also looking for a demo Pro-ject Classic with 2m Silver for $879. Would you also consider that? and later upgrade my cart for bronze? I sold my debut carbon because I just wanted to have the 33/45 rpm on a push of a button as well.
 

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Thanks, I'm not really into the DJ style as I was attracted for the price of a mint condition used for $550.

I was also looking for a demo Pro-ject Classic with 2m Silver for $879. Would you also consider that? and later upgrade my cart for bronze? I sold my debut carbon because I just wanted to have the 33/45 rpm on a push of a button as well.
Yeah, I don't see a problem with the Project Classic w/2M Silver for that price. I think they are normally well over $1000.

https://www.musicdirect.com/top-rated-components/pro-ject-the-classic-eucalyptus

For me, it is all about the Tonearm, and Project in general and specifically that model seem to have very nice tonearms.

Make sure all the parts are there, and that the Tonearm is secure for shipping or general transportation.

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Yeah, I don't see a problem with the Project Classic w/2M Silver for that price. I think they are normally well over $1000.

https://www.musicdirect.com/top-rated-components/pro-ject-the-classic-eucalyptus

For me, it is all about the Tonearm, and Project in general and specifically that model seem to have very nice tonearms.

Make sure all the parts are there, and that the Tonearm is secure for shipping or general transportation.

Steve/bluewizard
That is what I was looking right now if I was about to buy a turntable. Looking for a good tonearm. Rega's R300 tonearms are well regarded but the Planar 3 is out of my range. But the Pro-ject Classic doesn't have the evo carbon tonearm that the 2experience SB has.

I don't want to go to the 1k range for now as I just started last dec. and bought the debut carbon used and tried if playing records was for me before I buy a mid grade record player.

Should I go with the Classic then? I really like the look as well.
 

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Thanks, I'm not really into the DJ style as I was attracted for the price of a mint condition used for $550.

I was also looking for a demo Pro-ject Classic with 2m Silver for $879. Would you also consider that? and later upgrade my cart for bronze? I sold my debut carbon because I just wanted to have the 33/45 rpm on a push of a button as well.
Project makes a "speed box" that allows you to hit a button to change speeds. I have one on mine. Also upgraded to tha acrylic platter and the 2M Blue.
 

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Project makes a "speed box" that allows you to hit a button to change speeds. I have one on mine. Also upgraded to tha acrylic platter and the 2M Blue.
Well, I was thinking that at first but hard to find a used one and if I am upgrading might as well bought the esprit version as it will cost me almost the same price.

Atleast going for the classic. Better plinth and tone arm and built in speed box.
 

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Well, I was thinking that at first but hard to find a used one and if I am upgrading might as well bought the esprit version as it will cost me almost the same price.

Atleast going for the classic. Better plinth and tone arm and built in speed box.
yep, if I had to do it all over, I'd just have gone w/the Esprit. I couldn't swing the Classic at the time though. Really didn't know I'd go so deep into vinyl at the time either. figured I'd just play a few records every now and then. Boy was I wrong!
I had 4 albums (2 12" singles, 2 LPs) in 2016. I have between 950 - 1100 now.
 

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yep, if I had to do it all over, I'd just have gone w/the Esprit. I couldn't swing the Classic at the time though. Really didn't know I'd go so deep into vinyl at the time either. figured I'd just play a few records every now and then. Boy was I wrong!
I had 4 albums (2 12" singles, 2 LPs) in 2016. I have between 950 - 1100 now.
That is why I bought a used debut carbon to try it out cause I was thinking same as you that I will only play a few records only. But, I feel like I'm also gonna go down the rabbit hole as well.
 

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I had the 1200mkiii used for a while last year. They weigh a ton, but quality wise it was spot on. The direct drive was faultless.

I think I paid $350 and after I cleaned it up and used it for a while, sold it for $500.

It’s still working flawlessly


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Additional Note - While TECHNICS is back in the turntable game, they want a pretty substantial sum of money to have TECHNICS printed on the turntable. To some extent they are trading on their reputation.

HOWEVER ... all the reviews I've read of all the New Technics Turntables have been first rate. They do deliver to their reputed standard of quality and then some, but THEY ARE NOT CHEAP.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Technics/SL-1200MK7-Direct-Drive-Professional-DJ-Turntable.gc

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod..._sl_1210gr_direct_drive_turntable_system.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...210MK2_SL_1210MK2_Professional_Turntable.html

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Thank You for the Info and Links. Much appreciated!
 

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Technics does have a New Hi-Fi Turntable, the SL1500C, which does not have the fancy DJ features that most Hi-Fi people will never use. It comes with an Ortofon 2M Red cartrdige, and has a high quality built-in MM Phono Stage. I think the price is going to be about $1400.

https://www.technics.com/us/news/20190107-sl-1500c/

https://www.whathifi.com/news/technics-launches-sl-1500c-turntable-with-built-in-phono-stage

There are some reviews and YouTube Videos on the New SL-1500C turntable -



I think this will be available sometime this Summer.

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Well, I was thinking that at first but hard to find a used one and if I am upgrading might as well bought the esprit version as it will cost me almost the same price.

Atleast going for the classic. Better plinth and tone arm and built in speed box.
The Classic does not have built in speed box. The Classic SB does, but it is about $400 more. If you are finding a demo The Classic SB for the price you mentioned, jump on that (assuming it is in excellent condition and nothing is missing), because it retails for $1499. If you are looking at The Classic, it's just a switch off/on, you still have to remove platter and move belt to change speed.

Edit: I see you mentioned the 2M Silver, which I think would mean you are indeed talking about The Classic and not The Classic SB. I still think that's a great deal, but I wouldn't want to see you mistakenly expecting a built-in speed box only to be disappointed, since you said that was a main reason for selling the Debut Carbon.
 
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