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This could be because AnyDVD has not been updated to crack / handle / read the new format.
No doubt. But I think there might be some hardware (encryption, firmware) issues as well, similar to how SACD cannot be read in a standard DVD drive.
 

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No doubt. But I think there might be some hardware (encryption, firmware) issues as well, similar to how SACD cannot be read in a standard DVD drive.
I imagine that BD-XL drives are at least physically capable of reading the discs, even if it does take a firmware update. Although, knowing these greedy corporations, they will probably make us buy new drives instead.

I'm sure though that soon enough there will be a solution for PC playback / backups.
 

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The "copy" would be stored either on the player's internal hard drive, or an SCSA-approved external hard drive, using Vidity-branded encryption. So, your options for full quality playback of the copy would be limited to the player or another Vidity-compatible playback device (e.g. another Ultra HD Blu-Ray player, TV, or future set top box) that has been authorized to play back content from that drive/account.
Yes, that makes sense. I always assumed that the copy procedure would be done in a PC somehow but I can understand why they are trying to avoid this approach.

How long did it take Slysoft to crack the encryption for 1080p blu-rays? I wonder if they`re planning to work on something for UHD as well?
 

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How long did it take Slysoft to crack the encryption for 1080p blu-rays? I wonder if they`re planning to work on something for UHD as well?
I don't think it took them long to crack bluray, and I don't think it will take them long for UHD bluray either. If current BD-XL drives are capable without a firmware update then they will definitely be working on it as soon as they get their hands on some discs. If a firmware update is required, or even new drives, as soon as the hardware is ready they'll be working on it for sure.
 

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I combed through the technical information regarding the UHD-BD format and nothing says that the discs shouldn't be able to be read on BD-XL drives. The file system is the same, the physical disc specs are the same, and there are no "updates" separating UHD-BD from it's brothers other than the HEVC codec. I can only think that these discs are encrypted in some way or the media simply reports itself to the OS as something it doesn't recognize and therefore does not know how to deal with, but I can't find anything new regarding that in the whitepaper. I suspect we'll get some sort of updates in the next three weeks in regards to UHD-BD support and products as the licenses for the format take effect on March 1st.
 

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I don't think it took them long to crack bluray, and I don't think it will take them long for UHD bluray either. If current BD-XL drives are capable without a firmware update then they will definitely be working on it as soon as they get their hands on some discs. If a firmware update is required, or even new drives, as soon as the hardware is ready they'll be working on it for sure.
Unless I am mistaken, the reason they were able to crack AACS as quickly as they did is because they were able to reverse engineer it using BD-ROM drives and licensed Blu-Ray playback software. Basically that had an encrypted treasure map that contained the locations of both the lock and the key. With AACS 2.0, they currently only have half of that encrypted treasure map. So, I suspect that it could take considerably longer to crack, unless we start to see licensed Ultra Blu-Ray playback software for PC's soon.

There are probably other avenues that can be looked at, like attempting to crack standalone players with custom firmware and then porting that to PC. But, I think we are close to crossing the line regarding forum rules about discussion of piracy or copy-right infringement, so I am moving back to the original topic now.

Personally, I'll likely buy a standalone player some time in the next year or so (whenever I decide to bite the bullet and upgrade to a UHD display). If a means of playing back Ultra Blu-Rays on a PC or laptop comes about then I'll probably get a compatible external drive for my laptop/desktop too.
 

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Unless I am mistaken, the reason they were able to crack AACS as quickly as they did is because they were able to reverse engineer it using BD-ROM drives and licensed Blu-Ray playback software. Basically that had an encrypted treasure map that contained the locations of both the lock and the key. With AACS 2.0, they currently only have half of that encrypted treasure map. So, I suspect that it could take considerably longer to crack, unless we start to see licensed Ultra Blu-Ray playback software for PC's soon.
I think it quite likely that we will see PowerDVD et all licensed for UHD bluray soon enough. I have no reason not to think that. I find it almost a certainty that current BD-XL drives will be able to read the new UHD discs, after all, as others have pointed out, it's using the same filesystem etc, and these disc formats, along with DVD and CD before it, are not exclusively for video / audio playback. They are also backup / storage mediums. As you said though, the key will be Slysoft cracking the encyrption. However, I believe they'll get there.

Might as well stay positive :)
 

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I think it quite likely that we will see PowerDVD et all licensed for UHD bluray soon enough. I have no reason not to think that. I find it almost a certainty that current BD-XL drives will be able to read the new UHD discs, after all, as others have pointed out, it's using the same filesystem etc, and these disc formats, along with DVD and CD before it, are not exclusively for video / audio playback. They are also backup / storage mediums. As you said though, the key will be Slysoft cracking the encyrption. However, I believe they'll get there.

Might as well stay positive :)
Cyberlink have already confirmed they are working on UHD Bluray support, so the question is not if but when. I would say by the end of this year. Along with the software we'll get a list of compatible BDXL players (either new ones or existing ones which will get a f/w update). We'll also need an HDCP 2.2 / HDMI 2.0a compliant with HEVC 10bits h/w acceleration GPU&Drivers, and that won't come until AMD's Arctic Islands this summer. So my guesstimate is Q4 2016 for a licensed UHD Bluray solution on a PC.

http://tv.about.com/od/accesspries/fl/Ultra-HD-Blu-ray-Update-CyberLink-Joins-Working-Group-Developing-UHD-BD-For-PCs.htm
 

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Yes, that makes sense. I always assumed that the copy procedure would be done in a PC somehow but I can understand why they are trying to avoid this approach.

How long did it take Slysoft to crack the encryption for 1080p blu-rays? I wonder if they`re planning to work on something for UHD as well?
I've checked their web site - so far, nothing.

BTW - I have a Pioneer BDR-2209 that supports BDXL, so I am interested in the results.
 

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This could be because AnyDVD has not been updated to crack / handle / read the new format.
No doubt. But I think there might be some hardware (encryption, firmware) issues as well, similar to how SACD cannot be read in a standard DVD drive.
At this point I think it's a drive problem and that is that it doesn't have authentication for AACS 2.0, according to James over at SlySoft.

https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/any-info-on-a-4k-blu-ray-solution.68042/#post-421954

There is a good chance that James knows what he's talking about since he is one of the developers over there.

As with regular Blu-ray's, even if you didn't have AnyDVD HD installed and running on your PC, if the drive was going to read it, you would be able to look at the files in Windows Explorer ( this requires no decryption) and you can't even do that.
 

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One thing i don`t understand is how are users going to be able to backup their new UHD movies with the Digital Bridge "copy" function if the current drives are not able to read the discs? Will there be new firmwares released for the BDXL drives in order to read the UHD discs?
I do not recall that being promised for BDXL drives, instead the players were implied to be doing it. I am not even sure they promised more then a 1080p copy for DB.
 

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Well, I got my hands on the copy protection info for the new format - none of which was mentioned in the format data that I and everyone else previously read - and it looks like that is why the discs can't be read in the BDXL drives. There are main three copy protection systems employed in the new format. First, we have Ultra HD AACS, which is just the latest version of AACS that we're all familiar with, and it goes online to verify keys and such. Second, we have Ultra-HD BD-ROM Mark, which is a unique mark that must be present in all manufactured discs and prevents counterfeiting/copying of movies. Third is Ultra HD BD+, which is obviously the updated version of BD+ that is used in HD Blu-Ray. Any drive intended to play Ultra HD BD-ROM Movies must support UHD AACS and UHD BD-ROM Mark, which no current drives have. Any drive intended to be used to read UHD media must support UHD BD-ROM Mark to recognize the discs and the BD-XL drives don't have that in their firmware at this point, but it could theoretically be added via firmware update. LG is the only company that has applied for a license to manufacture UHD drives, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. Since LG also made the majority of BD-XL drives, it stands to reason that they might put out firmware updates for them, but we'll have to just bide our time until we find out one way or another. If they won't, I'll be upset, cause I spent $100 or so on their snazzy external BD-XL burner with USB 3.0.
 

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Well, I got my hands on the copy protection info for the new format - none of which was mentioned in the format data that I and everyone else previously read - and it looks like that is why the discs can't be read in the BDXL drives. There are main three copy protection systems employed in the new format. First, we have Ultra HD AACS, which is just the latest version of AACS that we're all familiar with, and it goes online to verify keys and such. Second, we have Ultra-HD BD-ROM Mark, which is a unique mark that must be present in all manufactured discs and prevents counterfeiting/copying of movies. Third is Ultra HD BD+, which is obviously the updated version of BD+ that is used in HD Blu-Ray. Any drive intended to play Ultra HD BD-ROM Movies must support UHD AACS and UHD BD-ROM Mark, which no current drives have. Any drive intended to be used to read UHD media must support UHD BD-ROM Mark to recognize the discs and the BD-XL drives don't have that in their firmware at this point, but it could theoretically be added via firmware update. LG is the only company that has applied for a license to manufacture UHD drives, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. Since LG also made the majority of BD-XL drives, it stands to reason that they might put out firmware updates for them, but we'll have to just bide our time until we find out one way or another. If they won't, I'll be upset, cause I spent $100 or so on their snazzy external BD-XL burner with USB 3.0.
I'm suprised you hadn't heard about AACS 2.0 or whatever the official name ended up being. It's been mentioned in most discussions on this topic around the web, ever since documents showing a rough draft of some of its "features" was leaked after the hacks against Sony. Btw, use of the online key retrieval feature is not mandatory for discs. Players must support the feature in case a disc requires it but, according to a few execs on the BDA council, the feature is not being implemented on any commercial discs released in the near future. They say it may be used with certain pre-release discs that are given to reviewers and the like. My guess is that it's there as a fall back option for studios in case hackers come up with a way to break the encryption using the key that's on the disc. Studios would then stop putting the key on new discs and require online authentication to play each new disc on each and every player you attempt to play it on. Once the disc has been authorized to play in a specific player, the disc could then be played again in that same player without having to go online again. So, it's a one-time deal per disc per player.

The UHD BD-ROM Mark you mentioned just sounds like an updated version of Cinavia.
 

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I do not recall that being promised for BDXL drives, instead the players were implied to be doing it. I am not even sure they promised more then a 1080p copy for DB.
I don't recall seeing an official press release, marketing, or any other specs on the Digital Bridge/Copy and Export feature that actually said what the resolution would be. But, everything I have read from tech journalists and industry insiders suggests that the copy stored on the player's internal hard drive (or an SCSA-approved external hard drive) will be a full quality, bit-for-bit copy of the content on the disc. However, if you use the "Export" feature to save a copy to your tablet or phone for viewing outside of your home network, it will be reduced in quality to something more appropriate for a tablet. In other words, "Exported" copies will likely be the equivalent of current UV digital copies from Vudu.

Of course, things could change by the time the feature actually goes live.
 

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I don't recall seeing an official press release, marketing, or any other specs on the Digital Bridge/Copy and Export feature that actually said what the resolution would be. But, everything I have read from tech journalists and industry insiders suggests that the copy stored on the player's internal hard drive (or an SCSA-approved external hard drive) will be a full quality, bit-for-bit copy of the content on the disc. However, if you use the "Export" feature to save a copy to your tablet or phone for viewing outside of your home network, it will be reduced in quality to something more appropriate for a tablet. In other words, "Exported" copies will likely be the equivalent of current UV digital copies from Vudu.

Of course, things could change by the time the feature actually goes live.
Does the Samsung UHD player have an internal HD?
 

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My interest is the burning of UHD BR using edited video from a Sony AX 100 4K camera.

I use Cyberlink Power Director 14 for editing and store the edited material on a HD or as a 264 or 265 file on a 25Gb BR disc.

My hope is to see PD 15 being capable of doing this, namely creating UHD BR discs, that are recognized by the Samsung or other UHD players. My hope is that this can be done using 25 GB discs, similar idea to AVCHD using 4.7 GB DVD blanks yet storing HD videos.

Any thoughts?

Eugene
 
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